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Is MP4 or TS the better format?
Hi guy, i cant decide what to buy
AverMedia EzRecorder 310 or hauppauge HD PVR 2 Gaming Edition Plus This device is use to capture tv show for set-top box or local tv show. let not talk abt HDCP, assume everything is ok the reason i ask is because AverMedia seen to be only able to capture Mp4 without any pc (direct to hdd) while hauppauge can capture format like .ts .mts but it request pc |
mp4 and .ts are containers, not codecs.
Depends on the content, bitrate, GOP size, many many many many encoding and structural factors. Depends on what you want to do with the recordings, how you want to play them, etc.. Neither recording will be BluRay compatible if that's what you want. Both are final delivery formats not designed for edits unless you can live with some quality loss. So there's no easy answer to your question. |
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tht is what i cant decide. in term of quality which is better? since is cap from tv, it sure there is some edit is removing starts, ends and commercials breaks sometimes from what i see in asia country... most of their file is cap direct in .ts .tp (which they capture from set-top box) not much ppl cap direct to mp4 unless they encode it? AverMedia say Encoding Format: MP4 (codec: H.264 and AAC) |
Again, the encoding determines quality, not the container. Both products use h.264, as you'll see from looking over their specs. Recordings from both products are generally the same quality. But you should NEVER use gaming PVR's for captures off cable TV. Gaming caps deinterlace the signal, discard frames, and ruin the results. ALmost all TV programming is interlaced or telecined. Choose a non-gaming HD PVR if you want Hauppauge or Avermedia.
A greater number of external devices can play mp4, while fewer devices can play .ts. To edit either of those versions you need smart-rendering video editors that can make cuts on specific frames and smart-render only the immediate cut areas without re-encoding the entire video. With edits you are limited to cuts and joins, because you cannot filter or otherwise make image modifications without re-encoding. The recordings can be burned to disc as data files and played via optical drives, or written to external hard drives and played via USB. Make sure the playback device can handle the physical playback media and the formats you choose, whether mp4 or .ts. |
i look @ their spec.
actually both of them do support progressive or interlaced i comparing Hauppauge HD PVR 2 1512 with avermedia ezrecorder 310 but look @ FAQ, Hauppauge did explain this :/ HD PVR 2 encodes in real time directly to the hard disk in an H.264 format. It records in TS or M2TS file formats, which is a basic H.264 'transport stream'. Many people would like to know if the quality of a TS or M2TS recording is as good as an MP4 recording. The video quality of MP4 and TS files are the same. The primary difference between TS and MP4 files is that TS files are flat while MP4 files have an index at the beginning of the MP4 file. Otherwise, the video bits inside the files are the same and therefore the video quality of TS, M2TS and MP4 files are the same. All record file types can be used to burn AVCHD Blu-ray compatible discs but you will need to supply your own disc burning application. |
I prefer Hauppauge myself, which I own (original HD PVR).
You can always try either of them. It will take only one day of audition and playback to help you make up your mind. Decide how you want to play your recorded videos, whether from official BluRay disc spec or external USB drives, or media servers. Otherwise you have to play them from a computer. 1920x1080 HD 29.97 NTSC or 25 fps PAL video for BluRay is interlaced, not progressive. The only HD formats that are progressive are at 23.976 or 24fps film speed, or double frame rate 1280x720, or Ultra HD BluRay. All other HD formats are interlaced or telecined. Hauppauge and Avermedia specs imply that 1080p/60 and MP4 are BluRay compatible, which is not correct. 1080p/60 is ULTRA HD, not HD. If you want Ultra HD BluRay you need Ultra HD playback hardware and software. MP4 containers are never BluRay compatible. Understand the format basics before you invest, and check that your playback hardware can handle the formats. The basic specs for BluRay disc are here http://www.videohelp.com/hd#tech. Products from all makers of PVR devices are required by law to comply with HDCP protection via HDMI. All of these products have their own recording/playback software and user guides. |
I using the uSB-live 2 to capture a VHS
actually their mt2s is ts file? Code:
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The video is an MPEG-TS file, as shown in line #4 of the info you posted above. Under the "Video" heading in the above info, you can see that the file is encoded as MPEG2.
M2TS is an AVCHD TS (transport steam) container. It can be played with many PC media players. Many external BluRay media players (but not all of them) can play it from USB hard drives, USB memory sticks, or authored with menus, etc., as AVCHD format onto DVD disc or an external hard drive/memory stick. MPEG-TS is a lossy final delivery intraframe format not designed for further filtering. It can be edited with simple cuts and joins using a smart-rendering editor designed for MPEG-TS, such as TMPGEnc Smart Renderer, Adobe Premiere, etc. If you want to do any color correction, denoising, etc., from VHS you can use the USB Live-2 to capture VHS to lossless YUY2 AVI using VirtualDub. |
However, I just noticed something. The audio in your file is MPEG Layer2. That audio format is not valid for AVCHD or BluRay. Both require Dolby AC3 or LPCM audio. But you can always resample the audio. Official AVCHD is usually encoded as AVC/H264 or MPEG-4 AVC. Overall the video is not valid for BluRay in several respects, but will probably work as AVCHD with the proper audio codec.
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i wonder do Hauppauge pvr use the same format?
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Hauppauge PVRs use h.264.
Capturing VHS to lossy formats is not the best method unless you're in a rush and don't plan on any video restoration or repair except cut and join. You haven't said what you want for final playback formats and methods. How do you want to play and archive these videos? |
hi
1. mainly is to archive those VHS to digital as It easy to get hold of player to playback those format. 2. actually i do think of making into to DVD (but i dunno how?) 3. by looking at the quality. i dont think there is a need to video restoration or repair but again for VHS, if i do colour correction or make it sharp will it look more worst? Cant make VHS to HD.. i guess it best to left it original :P and worst, i dont know how to use VirtualDub. But than i will capture one to test test. this is one of the video which i capture in mt2s and upload to youtube. Do you think it look great? just colour abit dark but not sure isit my pc monitor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hoaf8SOqLM final playback formats: DVD & digital format? |
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Haha.
I tot you may suggest for me to create my own DVD rather than using the DVD recorder. For digital format, which do you suggest? Except Avi? |
Use the USB Live-2 to capture to MPG. Don't use M2TS or TS or any other container. The container's file extension is MPG, encoded with MPEG-2. You can then use Live-2's software to author the video for DVD format and burn it to disc. You will have to learn to use their software for edit, author, and burning. A better method would be to to capture with the USB Live-2 to MPG, then use a smart-rendering editor and authoring program such as TMPGEnc Authoring Works 5 or VEGAS Movie Studio Platinum to create the DVD and burn to disc.
There is no other way to do this without learning to use software designed for what you want to do. |
Which software can capture mpg?
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Use the USB Live-2 software to capture. You already own the product and its software.
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Lol.
I using it.. It only capture to .Ts or mt2s. The file mediainfo I show you also capture using their software . |
You said you used the Hauppauge USB Live-2. Is this the product you're using: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/produc..._usblive2.html?
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Yes. I using Hauppauge Capture. It their software
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That device can capture to MPG for DVD format. Your capture was an M2TS for AVCHD. You have to tell the software you want DVD.
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Hmm.. I don't really see other option.
Let me go back and check. Will get back to you later. update: hi, no other option to chooice only had these http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/imag.../ciEVEDM-1.jpg Quote:
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You are using Hauppauge Capture, which captures only to M2TS or TS. Use WinTV for MPEG capture.
From the left-hand side of the Haupppauge USB Libve-2 QUick Start Guide: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/atta...1&d=1473860610 |
hahah thank... i did not use tht software, i tot just use Hauppauge Capture will do
is there any need to use 3rd party decode? |
During capture the software encodes automatically. Decoding is for playback.
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thanks. I will test it out
cant set any tv channel with USB Live2 on wintv it a capture card not tv tuner i reinstall.. now can already just try to record Code:
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MPEG-PS , TS or MT2S which is good for digital backup? |
No answer for that. The container has nothing to do with the quality of the encode. it's just a wrapper for the video. The video you just posted info about is an MPEG program stream file encoded as MPEG in an MPEG container with a fairly high mainstream bitrate for decent quality, DVD authoring and burning, and good quality for archiving. If you really want the highest quality for archiving you should be capturing analog to lossless AVI, which is as good as you'll get without commercial equipment. But you said you don't want that. You also said you don't want to pay for higher quality software. If you use your DVD recorder and set the highest bitrate it can record, you'll get pretty much the same MPEG encode that you posted info about, but the files when burned to DVD disc from your recorder will use .VOB containers.
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isit ok to use TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 to convert the Wintv to mpg? (encode to AC3)
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Your video is already MPG. Did you notice this in the mediaInfo report? Obviously this was not captured as MPEG because TVMW5 is not a capture app. If you used TVMW5 to cut a short segment from another encoded video, your entire sample went through another stage of lossy encoding -- you lost quality from the original. I don't know what you mean by "encode to AC3". AC3 is Dolby digital, which is the audio format most often used in DVD and Bluray. The audio in the MediaInfo report is already AC3. Quote:
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I capture the VHS using Wintv (MPG), i edit it using TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works (cut + AC-3).
The reason i want to use TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works because it allow to me to keep the (cut + AC-3) mpg. TMPGEnc Authoring Works will direct making into DVD |
Yes, I thought that's what you did. Mastering Works lossy re-encoded your MPG capture, which was altready lossy encoded as MPG. Re-encoding lossy MPG is a quality loss, and not necessary. Mastering Works is not a smart-rendering editor, it's an encoder.
TMPGENc Smart Renderer and TMPGenc Authoring Works can smart-render MPG and convert your audio without re-encoding the entire video track. Either of those apps can convert to AC3 audio without damaging the video track. But Smart Renderer writes only to DB disc, not DVD. If you want to smart-render your lossy MPG without re-encoding the video, and at the same time convert audio-only to AC3, use TMPGenc Authoring Works. It can smart-render MPG without re-encoding, can create DVD menus, etc., and burn DVD, BluRay, and AVCHD to disc. Mastering Works was designed to convert various formats to other formats by re-encoding, or to take lossless un-encoded video and encode it to several formats. It is not a smart rendering editor. Even if you set up for DVD output, it will re-encode the video and create added compression artifacts that you don't want. It's a very good encoder, but not the correct tool for what you want to do. |
I see... thanks.
i did try to get a dvd.. quite good.. LOL dont expect much for vhs.. just decent quality will do :P |
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So M2TS can (and often does) contain MPEG-2. - When you make the M2TS, you should know what's in it. - But when you just "find" an M2TS, you have to analyze the actual codec content, and cannot guess. I've mostly avoided this thread because your answers have been spot-on. :wink2: Quote:
- TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 4 - TMPGEnc Authoring Works 4 TAW is for BD authoring (as I still use DVDWS2 for DVD authoring, since it's more advanced). SR4 is for my H.264 cut-editing. I use Womble software for MPEG cutting. |
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