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admin 05-20-2009 04:09 PM

Get another wire, and let's see. I have a weird red/blue wire myself somewhere -- and it doesn't work for audio with me either. In fact, I think I trashed it a couple of months ago, when weeding through excess wires and parts.

Superstar 05-20-2009 07:37 PM

I got the new wire, like the kind Smurf posted a picture of, and that didn't work either.

admin 05-20-2009 08:02 PM

Make a short 2-3 minute test capture. Drop the file into Goldwave, and see if it brings up two audio channels.

I'm running out of ideas.

Superstar 05-20-2009 08:30 PM

The cord that I bought is called Stereo "Y" adapter 24k Gold. Does that sound like the right one? It was the only one I could find at Wal-Mart that seemed to do this.

admin 05-20-2009 08:36 PM

Could be -- doesn't seem to be listed on Walmart.com

Superstar 05-20-2009 08:53 PM

Well...I did the test capture. Ive never used Goldwave..so I kinda guessed at what I was doing. I hit the play button in the control window, and underneath to the right is a little colored box that says L and R under it, which I assume means left and right speaker...the R bar moved up and down, but the L had no bar at all..

admin 05-20-2009 08:56 PM

The card is only capturing one channel of audio for some reason. I don't know why.

All I can do is suggest copying the good channel over the bad one, in SoundForge. Double click on good channel in SF, copy. Double click on blank channel, paste. Not the best solution, but it won't matter if your recordings are really mono (dual mono) anyway, as many tv broadcasts are.

Superstar 05-20-2009 09:07 PM

Do you think it points to a problem with the WinTv 32 card?

admin 05-20-2009 09:50 PM

Your guess is as good as mine.

Superstar 05-20-2009 09:58 PM

I have no guess..this is totally new to me lol..do you think we can eliminate the wire being the problem?

admin 05-20-2009 10:48 PM

Possible, yeah. I'm at a loss. No further suggestions from me. Somebody that has an intimate knowledge of Hauppauge cards may be needed. I've sent some e-mails to colleagues, but I don't know if I'll get an answer.

For all I know, this is a common and easy issue -- I've just not come across it before, ever. I did some Google searching, and wasn't able to find anything.

The card may, unfortunately, be defective. But I don't really know. Now might be a good time for you to search, read and/or join the SHSPVR site, which specializes on these cards. http://www.shspvr.com/smf/

Not sure what other advice I can give here.

Superstar 05-20-2009 11:05 PM

Yeah I've done some searches also, and I can't find anything either. Thanks a lot for your help and suggestions, I don't know where to go from here, it's getting frustrating how I keep getting problem after problem after problem lol

Superstar 05-29-2009 02:02 AM

Flesher-Munson based hiss cut filters, or the basic hiss cut filters. Hiss Cut 2 and Hiss Cut 6 are the ones I'd look at most.

You told me to use these in SoundForge...can you kinda give me some instructions on how to use them..and what results I should get..so I know what to look for when I attempt this..are these the only 2 i should use?

admin 05-29-2009 03:48 PM

There isn't much I can say for instructions. You open the audio file, you go to the filter, and then you can preview what it would sound like using the preview button. If it makes the hiss go away some and sounds better, then click OK to filter the file. Save the audio to a new WAV file when done. Reading the guide on this site, maybe reading the SoundForge help file, is the most I can suggest if you need more help.

As to which filter you need to use -- let your ears guide you. Preview and listen, hear how each different filter alters the audio. There's nothing to see.

Superstar 06-03-2009 12:16 AM

I just made my first dvd with my new capture card..and theres volume out of both speakers at the start of the vid and then haklfway thru, the sound went out in the right speaker this time (it was the left on the old card) and it stayed off the rest of the video .....is this normal? why would it do this?

admin 06-03-2009 02:58 AM

There is a problem either
(1) on the tape
(2) in the VCR
(3) in the capture card
(4) in the computer audio card

My first guess is it's a tape problem. If you're convinced otherwise, then I don't have a guess. We've really come full circle in testing and guessing, and the problem persists. Is this the same tape that played fine in another VCR all the way through (not FF to the spot and listen, but play the whole tape as if it were captured, start to end)?

Superstar 06-03-2009 11:17 AM

It's a different video and I just played it on the capturing VCR to my computer and there is sound coming only out the left speaker..not the right speaker..(on the old capture card the sound was coming out of the right speaker and not the left speaker)

Superstar 06-03-2009 11:25 AM

I just played the video on my regular TV, and sound is coming out of both speakers on that..so I guess that eliminates the video as being the problem? I just thought it's really weird that the video starts off for like 30-45 min with sound out of both, then for like the last 1.5 hrs or so, sound only comes out of the left speaker and not the right...thats also how it is on the burned DVD..

Superstar 06-03-2009 02:51 PM

Update.....I just made another DVD, and there sound from both speakers from the start to the end of the DVD.
So, now I'm really confused. It would be easy to say the last video that I made the last few posts about was the problem, but why would the video play on my tv with sound from both speakers from start to end of the video.......but when i captured it and made the dvd there was only sound for a few minutes at the start, and then the rest of the video only had sound from the left speaker.....that totally makes no sense to me at all...
So I assume since the DVD that I just made had sound in both speakers from start to end that we can rule out the VCR and capture card?

admin 06-04-2009 08:53 AM

Maybe one of the wires is glitchy or somehow bad? Or the VCR or capture card input connectors could have issues. See what happens when you rattle the wires around while it captures.

Long ago, I had a television that was touchy on the inputs.

Superstar 06-06-2009 01:31 AM

"Save the audio to a new WAV file when done"
Do I need to transfer the saved WAV file to an AC3 file before I bring it to DVD-Lab to make the DVD? Or do I just leave it as a WAV file?

admin 06-06-2009 01:46 AM

Yes, convert to AC3. (I'll assume DVD-Lab does not have the ability to encode audio to AC3 built-in.)

Superstar 06-06-2009 01:52 AM

I really have no idea if it does or not lol...what's the easiest way for me to convert it to AC3? Do I do that in SoundForge as well?
Just to make sure...AC3 is what I use for the DVD, right?

admin 06-06-2009 10:37 PM

No, SoundForge doesn't do AC3.

Read this post here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/show...3-mp2-407.html
1 -- It first tells how to convert MP2 or AC3 to WAV.
2 -- Then it tells how to go back from WAV to AC3. Do that.

Superstar 06-07-2009 05:25 PM

When I do this...do I open the whole video in Soundforge, or should I somehow split it up or something? The longest videos I'll be doing are around 3 hrs, some are 2 hrs also

admin 06-08-2009 12:39 AM

Open the audio from any single recording in whole. If the VHS tape had 3 recordings of 2 hour each, you fix the 2-hour videos. You don't fix 3 separate recordings at once (all 6 hours together in the same file). If a recording is 10 seconds, fix 10 second. If it's 10 hours, fix 10 hours.

This assumes audio is "the same" during the entire recording -- the most likely scenario.

This has been mentioned before.

Superstar 06-08-2009 01:02 AM

how do i import those preset things into soundforge? i downloaded them...do i just try to open them in soundforge, or do i have to open them from the preset thing? i tried to open it in the preset thing, but it wouldnt open the video. I did see the 2 or 3 filters u suggested i usedn there though..

admin 06-08-2009 01:12 AM

You don't open video in SoundForge, you only open the WAV file in SF. Go back and re-read this thread from the beginning one more time.

As far as presets go, the guide shows and explains it as best as I can do, without actually doing it myself.

Superstar 06-08-2009 01:44 AM

Ok..I did read it and there's a lot on here...does my audio start off as a mp2 audio or ac3?
Here are the steps I wrote down a few mts ago to do audio...should i stick with this, or change it..
1 - Extract audio from Womble edited video in TMPGE - click file, click de-multiplex, click browse-open edited vid from womble, double click audio stream to save it.

Convert AC3 or MP2 (which format is it?) audio to WAV in Headac3he

Restore audio in SoundForge

Convert WAV to AC3 in FFMPEG using these settings-
Format- AC3, Bitrate 256, Sampling Rate 48000, Audio Channels 2, Select browse, in audio output type a file name for the AC3 file (ex. audio.ac3) click convert

Ok..this is write I wrote down from other things I was told here before this thread was even made...as we talked about, I'm going to stick to the basics with this...should I keep this audio workflow..or should I scrap this and do something else?

Superstar 06-08-2009 02:02 AM

To explain what I meant in my previous post..I have a "Preset Manager 2.0" icon on my desktop. I opened it, and there's a big window, with 3 smaller windows inside of it. In the upper left window it says Preset Package and inside the box it says untitled, I click on it and nothing happens.
In the lower left window, it says System Presents, and inside the box, it says Fx Plugins,, I click the plus button and it says Sonic Foundry Paragraphic EQ, I click on it and then in the lower right window all the filters appear, including the ones you told me I should use. If I double click on them, nothing happens.
Now, when I click the open button at the top, a window comes up and in the drop down box for file type I can only select Preset Packages (*sfpreset) this is where I was confused because, I didn't know what to do with this, and how it was related in SoundForge. When does all of this come into play?

admin 06-08-2009 04:19 AM

Audio from Hauppauage card is MP2. This really doesn't matter. Convert the audio -- whatever it is -- to WAV.

The software is attached to this post: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/show...3-mp2-407.html ... or there is a link to the site where you download it.

The presets manager is used for this: http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/vid...soundforge.htm -- and then you'll never use it again (unless you need to export or import more filters) -- you'll probably never use it again. Delete the icon off your desktop, forget about it after installing the filter set.

I think you're thinking too hard -- none of this stuff is as difficult as you're making it.

Superstar 06-08-2009 11:39 AM

Yeah, I think I am overthinking it, you're right. I just want everything to be as good as I can get it.
In the Preset Manager window, it shows filters in both the top and bottom right side windows, but in mine, I only have filters in the bottom window...
Does that mean anything? Or, since I have filters in the bottom right side window, did I do everything right, and I can just delete the Preset Manager icon as you said, and forget about it?

admin 06-08-2009 12:09 PM

That's what it would look like with the software opened, but without the presets being opened. If the filters appear in the bottom, then they are installed.

Remove the icon from your desktop, and move on.

NOTE: Do not uninstall the software, just delete the icon from the desktop -- big difference.

Superstar 06-08-2009 12:14 PM

Ok, I just deleted it, so that's done.
Should I stick with this workflow, or do something different?

1 - Extract audio from Womble edited video in TMPGE - click file, click de-multiplex, click browse-open edited vid from womble, double click audio stream to save it.

Convert AC3 or MP2 (which format is it?) audio to WAV in Headac3he

Restore audio in SoundForge

Convert WAV to AC3 in FFMPEG using these settings-
Format- AC3, Bitrate 256, Sampling Rate 48000, Audio Channels 2, Select browse, in audio output type a file name for the AC3 file (ex. audio.ac3) click convert

Superstar 06-08-2009 12:27 PM

Ignore where it says which format is it? You already answered that, I just copied and pasted from my earlier post.

admin 06-08-2009 12:32 PM

Yes. Workflow is ...

- Womble to cut up capture into actual individual recordings.
- Then demux in TMPGEnc.
- Convert audio to WAV.
- Restore WAV in SoundForge. Mostly just some de-hiss for now. Maybe someday you can learn more advanced techniques. This will be a good starting point, however.
- Convert restored WAV to AC3.
- Author DVDs
- Burn DVDs
- Enjoy DVDs

That's it. :)

Superstar 06-08-2009 12:47 PM

Ok, thanks. I'm splitting audio from a video in TMPGE as we speak. I guess I'll look at these since you suggested them before Flesher-Munson based hiss cut filters, or the basic hiss cut filters. Hiss Cut 2 and Hiss Cut 6. I haven't actually dnoe any of this yet, but based from what you said, I gather that all this does is let me hear what it would sound like if I pick that specific filter. I saw tons of them listed in there, and a lot of them look exactly the same, so I'm not really sure what the difference between them is, but I'll just stick to the few you suggested.

Superstar 06-08-2009 12:54 PM

Quick q...I have the audio that I just split open in HeadAc3he and everything matches up perfect..but in this step that I quoted below..
"Do NOT check this box (the image shows 44.1 checked, which is wrong!). DVD audio is 48 kHz, not 44.1 kHz. YOU DO NOT WANT TO RESAMPLE!"

Ok, my box is NOT checkmarked, BUT it does say 44.1 in it...should I change it to 48, or just leave it as 44.1 and not checkmark it?

Superstar 06-08-2009 01:21 PM

I decided to just leave it unchecked since it says You do not want to resample....

Problem...
I clicked start..and an error came up that says "Could not load MPAlib.dll! Download the package from http://darkav.de.vu.
So, I go to that link, and it keeps coming up "the page cannot be displayed"...it's done it about 5 times now...first it said the address was not valid, but then it kept saying page cannot be displayed. It won't let me do anything until I get this package I guess, because as soon as I clicked start that error popped up..but, I can't get the URL to work that it gave me...I just downloaded Headac3he about an hour ago from the link you provided in an earlier post ...where it was attached to the bottom of the guide.
What should I do?

Superstar 06-08-2009 01:29 PM

I notice when I turn on Headac3he, it says this on the right side..
Loading azid.dll...failed
Loading ssrc.dll...failed
Loading lame_enc.dll...failed
Loading vorbis.dll...failed
Loading MP2enc.dll...failed
Loading MPAlib.dll...failed
Parsing INI-file...done


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