Hauppauge 610 USB reviews?
For converting VHS tapes into digital, has anyone tried out the Hauppauge 610 USB device yet for the computer input part of the equation?
http://www.hauppauge.com/site/produc..._usblive2.html Any thoughts? Was going to try and get a used ATI HD 600 USB and then saw this current device. JR |
Inferior stuff. Captures only to MPEG. Can't be used for lossless capture. You could do better with a budget DVD recorder. Stick with the ATI HD 600 USB.
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Wow, that's pretty definitive sanlyn. :)
I've put in an offer for a ATI HD 600 USB so will see how that goes. Also saw the Diamond VC500 device which unlike most others I do not hear bad comments about here. The Elgato Video Capture Device seems positive also but converts to MP4 format on the fly so no uncompressed options. JR |
VC500: no lossless capture. Have seen a great many captures made with this product. Mosquito noise, odd interlace problems, relatively insipid color, oversharpening artifacts with DV-AVI (which many users think looks really cool and is beloved by writers on CNET). Captures MPEG, DV-AVI, WMV. You'll need Avisynth to clean it up. OK if you're working with digital 8.
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VC500 can do lossless. I do it all the time. Color resolution is better than my ATI 600. But TBC is really required to use it with VHS (I use the DMR-ES15 with it).
I think the Elgato can also do lossless; the key is to determine whether a device uses software compression or a hardware chip. |
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Not to be a jerk, but you've participated in threads involving VC500 lossless capture before. I typically use VirtualDub with Ut Video Codec, but Huffyuv, Lagarith, and the rest that support UYVY all work. |
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Indeed, I have seen that capture device in action and used it myself with another setup some time ago. As a result, I no longer use it. But sometimes it's the only choice available for what the O.P. wants. Probably beats many lesser models. I found caps made with that device (by myself and others) to be more difficult to clean up, for some reason. Your mileage might differ. |
They accept UYVY and then change the byte order to match YUY2. (Archived mirror of now-dead Huffyuv homepage.)
For what it's worth, there are actually two hardware revisions of the VC500 that use completely different chipsets. The newest says "VC500CXT" on the back of the device and uses a Conexant chip. If the one you used was from before about 2013, I believe it would have been the inferior model. Not sure of the exact year it changed though. |
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I surely did confuse it with something else, don't know WTH it was. And you're right, it's decent stuff. From what I've seen lately the Hauppauge USB clips blacks. |
Currently just finished testing the Hauppauge and the Elgato side by side and the Elgato won out. Both can capture lossless .avi in Vdub, use a compressor like Huffyuv or UT Video.
Elgato had more noise and that equals more potential fine detail. Hauppauge did some weird things like adding a thick black border only to the right side, when the feed was paused it would seizure weirdly every few seconds, odd things like that made me stray away from it. Elgato was the better choice because of the slight win in quality and because it always operated smoothly with no questionable behavior like the Haup. But whatever you do, don't use the default software it tells you to download from their site, their "high quality" mode is crap. Just use Vdub and a compressor, capture it lossless, filter/resize/crop/QTGMC/fix it yourself in Avisynth/AvsPmod afterwards. |
The Hauppauge clips blacks.
Elgato doesn't convey "more detail". Complaints about its noise levels are widespread. QTGMC is not a cure-all. Suit yourself. They're your tapes. |
Elgato is just a brand like ATI. I don't see mention of exact model anywhere. From what I've read lately, it seems some Hauppauge and Elgato devices are ATI 600 USB clones. Not the 610, however.
More noise = what VCR? It may be the real culprit. I never use QTGMC to denoise, and in fact often pick settings that turn it off or weaken it. |
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Tell me what you think after that. I never said QTGMC is a cure all, it's just the standard for deinterlacing like I want to do, I want that smoothness you get from twice the framerate. These will be played through Google Drive on phones and computers primarily for this family online cloud drive I'm making. (and this will just be for my 8mm/Hi8 tapes, I don't have a VHS and VHS-C setup yet as I await a response from the DigitalFaq team) Quote:
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QTGMC(EZDenoise=4.0,Preset="Slow", Sharpness=2.3, SLMode=1 ) edit: sanlyn I just realized this is a thread from nearly 2 years ago that you decided to comment back on and revive, any reason for that? :laugh: |
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And I was simply letting OP know the other options as I currently have the Hauppauge and it's performing worse, a thread doesn't have to be about another option to be able to talk about it lol. Nevertheless, I wouldn't have done it if I realized this thread was from 2 years ago, I suspect OP doesn't need help anymore. |
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You never followed up on that from nearly 2 weeks ago, never posted what you said you would, that's what I'm referring to. Presumably because you got annoyed from the following 2 posts? I don't know, I am a beginner and I'm sorry if I don't understand everything clearly the first time compared to someone with years of experience. That's why I have a lot of questions... Quote:
There's 3 things you said you were gonna come back and do which you never did, so I went somewhere else to ask for advice when the second device came in and I got immediate help. They said noise is better in this situation, and I said okay. If you're saying that's not the case then tell me and explain why and point me to something else that I can buy in my situation. I'm not going to downgrade from Windows 7 to XP or buy another PC that can support a video capture card, my only option like you said is to go the USB route. I will maybe only be capturing 8mm/Hi8 tapes from a Hi8 camcorder, not VHS tapes as of now, that's if the DigitalFaq team ever gets back to me about my VHS and VHS-C tapes (lordsmurf said it'd be a couple days). I know once again this is probably not the thread to do this in, as it's 2 years old and not about this, but the conversation came up. |
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As for capture gear, I've had to backtrack and will no longer recommend products I haven't used. I no longer have blind trust in other sources about them. However, I know enough to look at captures and see what's going on. The only capture cards I can recommend are those I've used, meaning AGP and PCIe All in Wonders that don't work in Windows 7 or later and have no quality counterparts today. I recently ordered three cheap USB cards I'll test myself in XP and Win7. They might work out OK, maybe not. But I doubt they'll be as good as the old AIW's and XP, short of spending $1000 or more for a capture device. Sorry things went awry. I can advise on Avisynth, but I don't use the other software you're working with now. My own take on "more noise is better" is in disagreement with what some others have said. But debating the issue will get multiple opinions. You have to learn to look at video, recognize good and bad, and draw your own conclusions. Noise was not the only problem. |
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