Kramer SP-11D TBC issue, green noise on edge of video?
 

Hello,

I'm transferring some U-matic and VHS tapes (respectively through composite and Y/C inputs) and I've noticed that SP-11D often puts a green flickering stripe on the bottom of the screen (take a look at the attached image). This problem must be simply to do with the way that VCR's place this head change-over (or head switch) in the blanking interval of the wave form. That's the 'skew' I get at the bottom of the screen and is normally never seen on 'over scanned' TV's. I can only assume that SP-11D get confused with this as it's non-standard in terms of broadcast TV? Other than the Vertical Shift, nothing else seems to make any difference. How can I get rid of this issue?

Thank you in advance.

Hello

I have of course also Kramer SP-11D.
However, it is not not suitably for signals of VHS + S. VHS correctly are time-steady, only I must lead through the signal by a DMR ES10 or a DMR EH595.
Then, however, the signal mostly goes out by SDI.

In the big contemporary Analogously Capture test Kramer SP-11D has not passed the test.

Here there was contribution 348 sometimes a link to my result of Kramer SP-11D

http://forum.gleitz.info/showthread....ghlight=Kramer


What you below in the film sees is of the Kopfumschaltbereich.
Only few recorders / players cover this edge from [Pana AG8600 + in 8700] JVC BR-S522 / 622 / 822

The edge can cover you with the postprocessing.

One did not see in the TV earlier the shimmering edge in the tube TV.
The signal was in the overscan area.
Also new TV have an Overscan area, but smaller.
Only if one according to TV on "nur Scan" switches over one sees the whole picture.

Because I nobody am able in English I have some problems with the description of the Kramers, especially the word "pedestal"

Hi Goldwingfahrer.

thanks for your reply. I must assume that SP-11D is a real crap for my purpose. What a pity!
By the way, the link you posted http://www.file-upload.net/download-8922071/Kramer.mpeg.html is dead. Datei existiert nicht!

What does it mean pedestal? Maybe "Sockel"? Anyway since is NTSC stuff, I wouldn't care.

I was considering getting another TBC unit (e.g. G2 MSTC Evolution) and see what happens.

No..... one must deliver only there a clean time-steady signal, for example, from a Pana DMR ES10 or DMR EH595.
Thus I make this here.
I need this Kramer if I directly with capturen the colour pawning, must correct horizontally or Vertically.
Or must raise the sharpness a little bit horizontally or vertically.

Only I have problems with the Settings of the small Pin counter at the back.

Yes, now has seen that the file was extinguished in the link, a pity.

Yes, can be in such a way, thanks.

Ah... something so like in both pictures?
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There is excuse..... for the German word "Kopfumschaltbereich" no English translation.
Kopfumschaltbereich = lower shimmering edge with capturen from VHS / V8 / Betamax....

I've got it. The Kramer is the "icing on the cake" in your workflow. Interesting.
By the way, what do you think about Panasonic DMR-EH65 as passthrough instead?

Look, my current settings are:

| 1 OFF | 2 OFF | 3 OFF | 4 OFF | 5 OFF | 6 OFF | 7 ON (auto gain) | 8 OFF |

I think would be suitable to your purpose too.

Similiar. The model that I own has also component and SDI outputs (take a look at the attached images), but sadly it's defective. :(

Kopfum schaltbereich=Head 'shift range maybe? :wink2:

Yes, perfectly.
I have only a few days ago a picture of my job with the Kramer + Pana DMR EH595 + to the interlaced controlling monitor here highly loaded.
I have 2 DMR EH65 and an EH595 and some ES10 + ES15


Yes... either I go out there by S. video [AV1] or by HDMI.

The TBC/NR on the DMR-EH65 is strong enough to fix jitters and other stuff from analog sources? Can you turn it off or it's always on?

Here's my VCR's:

JVC HR-S7611 (S-VHS) - Edit mode, TBC off, DNR on
SONY VO-9600P (U-MATIC)

Kopf Umschaltbereich....=...Head switching range
Hurray. I am able to do already a word more in in English :D

Yes, I like your G2 MSTC better... if I the back looks.
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Is always on when I go over the Pana DMR.
If I want to capture directly in Lagarith or Huffyuv_MT.

But I capture with Canopus NX card.[to YUY2 and Canopus HQ oder HQX 8 or 10 Bit 4:2:2]

Different style and Canopus NX DMR
Post 548
http://forum.gleitz.info/showthread....er-HDMI/page55

Yeah, I see. I'm using Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4k for VHS capturing and AJA Kona LHe for U-matic capturing, always in uncompressed v210 10 bit 4:2:2 format.

DMR-ES10 or a DMR-EH65? What would you suggest me to get?

I can recommend the DMR EH65 or the EH595 / 585/575.
Jitterkorrektur is very good and the device gives the Sinal by HDMI out to the Blackmagic map.
The devices differ in the size of the hard disks capacity.

I have, yes 2, AJA Kona LHe and a box also, unfortunately, no free PC with a suitable place Seck with 4x Pci-E.

Yes, with U-matic what brings certainly, but in VHS I do not know it.
Here gehts if I also wants with RGBA 4:4:4 and FFV1 also in 4:4:4
and also directly with Edius in Canopus HQX in 8 and 10 bits.

I do not see a difference, neither in a Kontroll monitor Class-A or class B

Thanks for him tap with the Kramer Settings.

I think I will go for a good one used DRM-EH65. Thanks for the tip.

One more thing... TBC passthrough is possible from all AV inputs of the above-mentioned DMR models? Thanks again.

I'd not worry about the green stripe. It's just typical tape overscan noise. Just mask the overscan. Problem solved.

I'm not aware of the EH65 having passthrough. Just the ES10 and ES15.

Nevertheless, this makes nothing, we have tested a lot of DMR in the big contemporary analogously Capture test.
I have got silver hair and have become more clever a little bit.
If it tries out, nevertheless, nevertheless, DMR EH65 is cheap to have.
HDMI from or if S. video....
or from then only in the AV1.
Other bring luminance variations in the issue picture.

U Max
I have here today early 5:30 o'clock also moved on a DMR EH65, there can connect I the cables of the S. VHS recorder behind with the AV4.
In front connected looks here not nice.

Small tips.
The hard disk always run with......... after about 30 minutes you get an announcement in him
Capture stream "HDD-Sleep".
This must not be.

Solution:
Concurrent admission also on the internal hard disk or....
format in the DMR EH65 before a DVD-RW and lay these DVD-RW after in the DVD disk drive.
Now gibts it no announcement "HDD-Sleep"
No joke, we have tried out also in the test.

Here another 2 small pictures.

Hi lordsmurf,

thanks for your suggestion, but my aim is to capture clean digital master footage with no evident artifacts like that annoying green line. I would not do editing or post-processing. I aknowledge that evidently the Kramer is not adequate enough for my purpose. I had a FOR.A FA-310P in the past and it gave me excellent results.

By the way, how would you mask the overscan?

to Goldwingfahrer

What about the DMR-EH585 instead? It has only 1 AV input on the front.

Masking: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...erly-crop.html
There's several ways to do it.

With the better setters one can cover the lower edge.

In the rule I make the cover after in VDub or in Edius or Avisynth.

Directly to cover the lower and, if necessary, also the upper edge with the Capturen goes with an ELRO 300 or 220.
Pictures below.


This is no "exit" separate an "entrance" for FBAS or S. video plus audio.
"german= Das ist kein "Ausgang" sondern ein "Eingang" für FBAS oder S-Video plus Audio."


HDMI is behind.

The EH585 is same like my EH595... Yours has only the smaller hard disk.

That's what I was intended to say. DMR-EH585 has got just one audio/video input on the front panel (AV3). :wink2:

Getting back to our original discussion, I'm in touch with Kramer support and asking for some advice in order to fix the green line. I'll let you know ASAP. By the way, what's the firmware version of your unit?

to Goldwingfahrer

What about the DMR-EX77EB? Is passthrough capable? Thanks

If I cannot say, presumably it is okay.
Try....

1 hour capturen......
......
then Stream open in VDub..... File "open video file"
File... "file of information"
Line 2.... precisely like in line 4 "number of Key frames = okay

Audio also control whether is same.

I had only one Pana DMR EX49....... he was able to do inside only few tapes [PAL + NTSC]
cleanly are economical. He still had no HDMI, only YUV [Y Cb Cr] and s-video.
So tapes pass the ball with an EX DMR a luck thing is concerning picture and Audioquality... no matter whether by HDMI or from Scart/Peritel in S. video.
It depends on the tapes and with which recorders they were recorded, but as "a Passthrough"
if I tried out him.

Posting U-Max #17
Firmware = 15

Ok, thanks man. Mine is 2.0 but it's very strange. Kramer said me that this version has never been released :hmm: I've tried to downgrade it to 1.5 (through null modem serial cable) with no success. Something is wrong with it I'm afraid. I will check the board and the PSU for bad capacitors. Anyway, a nice Pana DMR-585 is on the way. Do you think a full TBC unit would still be necessary in the workflow (e.g. SVHS or U-matic deck - TBC - DMR - Intensity Pro 4k) in order to reach a stable signal?

Hello
I have topically the DMR EH65 on the place Capture. and now tests JVC HM-DR10000.

he is completely sufficient if I there by HDMI to my Blackmagic studio 2 maps goes.
http://www.ggvideo.com/bm_bdlkstudio2.php

I need Kramer SP-11D only for colour movements and for the norm changes PaPal to NTSC or return.
With Avisynth I can shift the colours also and also norm changes. Unfortunately, not on a real-time basis.

With the DMR EH585 DNR do not forget switch off and put the other settings properly.

I have external TBC only those of Electronic design E and one of Snell & Wilcox.
I have ordered an AVT8710 three weeks ago from the USA... I wait and wait; - (

Ok, thanks for your suggestions. In the meantime the Pana has arrived. I will try it within the next few days. I'm waiting for a Snell & Wilcox TBS100 Kudos Plus unit as well. I'll post the results.

Try it without TBS100 only with the Pana DMR......... You get such a result, see picture.

The Snell & Wilcox expects a perfect signal FBAS.
The Consumer recorders are not able to do something like that.

Here are able to do it only the big Pana AG/AG-MD and the JVC-HR-Sx22 recorder.
Unfortunately, only the least tapes have been recorded earlier with these recorders.

S&W TBS100 indeed works great only if I connect a very stable source like a Sony DVD player through S-VIDEO, while if I connect the JVC and/or the Sony tape decks it won't handle any input signal. Maybe adding reference inputs, 625 BB or composite, should work but I'm not equipped enough. What a pity!!!

Pana DMR EH-585 works great instead! I've connected the JVC HR-S7611 through SCART input (S-VIDEO MODE - AV2 on the rear panel) and the Sony VP-7040 through composite inputs (AV3 on the front panel). Is there any way to prevent the blue screen while capturing blank frames from tapes?

Do you suggest to always keep NR in/out disabled even with unstable sources (as like U-matic for example)? And what about the Progressive out? I'm wondering whether I should enable it or not...

Did you get the AVT8710?

Thanks

no and this is out well thus... one cuts in the Postpro

I have off NO. always.
Progressively = no [after in Avisynth if I has to go]
normally there remains in interlaced.

Yes, however, the AVT8710 is first 3x around the world travelled to him with me has come.
Totally price 311 SFR. [converted about 320 USD]

However, he is only tested... compared to
the Canopus NX
and AVT8710-> Datavideo DAC 7-> SDI-> Blackmagic studio 2
and AVT8710-> DMR EH65-> HDMI out to Blackmagic studio 2 maps.

3 Streams with Edius 7.50 [Edius 8 per are opened still lies in the box]
see picture in the appendix
[Films are looked of course not in the PC monitor, but in real interlaced studio controlling monitor CRT.

1. Impression of the AVT8710 = not so fantastically, although "Automatic Gain Controll" should function.
Will show later 2 comparisons in a new contribution.

Original becomes in UYVY or in YUY2 capturt.

For Internet I will encode the Streams, however, in mpeg2.
about in 8000 kbps and in TFF.

Hi Goldwingfahrer, I've got a problem. Intensity Pro 4k won't recognize HDMI input from the Pana and the Pana won't allow me to change the HDMI settings (options are greyed out as you can see in the attached photos). I don't use any splitter between them (I think I don't need it).

Otherwise, connecting the Pana to a LCD TV via HDMI everything is ok and the settings are enabled. Via S-VHS it's also ok. I have tried to change HDMI cable but still won't work.

Do you have any idea how to solve this problem?

Thank you mate.

Hello.
Only with the correct HDMI Splitter it works.
We tried everything.

Here is a little film in PAL Mpeg2, setting in Italian.
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Supplement ...........Almost forgot.
I have directed the CVBS signal to my control interlaced monitor from DMR EH.
Because I see the settings and can adapt that.
In the Blackmagic software that will not do.

Gosh! I thought I could connect them directly... :( ok. So, what kind of splitter do you suggest? Which specifications should it have? P.S.: I don't need to connect the LCD display anyway.

Thanks again.

This splitter as in the post 487
http://forum.gleitz.info/showthread....ghlight=Kramer

or
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HDMI-Splitter...3D160848002793

Output 1 = ---> BM 4K
Output 2 = LCD or plasma to

OK danke vielmals!

In the end I got this one...

http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00SYBZIEU?psc=1

Actual workflow:

U-MATIC SONY VP-7040 - composite \
S-VHS JVC HR-S7611 - scart (s-vhs) | PANASONIC DMR-EH585 - Splitter HDMI -> IP4K
BETAMAX SONY SL-C30E - composite /

Finally I can capture footage with astonishing picture and sound!!!

Great.
Exactly what we wanted, yes.
Thanks for the feedback.

From Betamax I have only 2 recorders, Sony.
SLV-150 HF + SLV-950 HF SB [Super Beta]

My colleague Michael also repairs Betamax
http://www.wedemann-service.homepage...ge/betamax.php

Ja, natürlich! Danke, mein freund!

Thanks for the link!

P.S.: vielleicht haben sie zu sagen, meinte SL-HF150 und SL-HF950? :)

I do not understand.
I wrote that I only have these two have of Betamax.

Translation is difficult.
In the next life I'm learning English;-)

I really want to learn German. :D

Using better Google Translator would be a good start... I guess... :laugh: