Hi guys :-D,
Just another landmark :arrow: Karl has just gone 12000 posts in his personal account ;-)
As to normalizing, I don't know.
I never liked the way it works.
Never done it and I think I never will, unless for MP3/OGG, not for audio CD reauthoring.
Cheers

@ muaddib
very clear muá! :wink: i know what you mean and IF someone download my samples i will post my true opinion(light opinion)

@ 12000 boy.
great! you're only starting! 8)

@ Correia
yep....he did 12000...you're right! :lol:
for normalized, i'm with you too.....i don't like too(only in fwe special cases)

@ all
nobody download the samples that i posted to compare?!?!?
i'm really sad! :cry:
blind tests here

Too big 8O :lol:
Could you make them smaller :?:

-kwag

you're right but let me expalin why i use this sample:
this music have issues in the volume(only in cd,not in vinyl)!
in the begining the volume is very low and after ~2minutes,50seconds to 3minutes,12seconds the volume start to encrease. and have important transitions from low to loud volume in some parts that are very cool to test normalizations
in one of the samples i can listen differences in trebles after 7 minutes and was the best sample that i found to test normalizatios.
this issues "will" show the differences.
if i cut part of the songs all that details will loose cos this is the exact way to show that normalizations work OR don't work(or better: if is good or not normalize)!
if one music have volume issues i think that is the best way to test normalizations and quality(like i feel round 7 minutes in the trebles)!
after someone download the samples(that have to be too big)will understand what i means......or show me ther best way but try that blind samples first, please!
you know, i (we) care about quality and this samples was encoded using Q=6. if have differences everybody can feel comparing the results.
:)

edited
not kidding: if someone want the source i can send cos you can have the same source but not with this issues like my original cd....the file uncompressed have 85Mb..... :roll: anyone want it? :lol:

@jeo :),
Boy, I will download those, but not today.
Internet here is freakin' slow, don't know why :(
I'll let you know tomorrow.
Cheers

@ muaddib
about normalizations:
modern CD's are all brutally over compressed. Anyone can see this by ripping a CD into any Wave editor, and noticing the flat topped waveform you get.
we will gain nothing useful, as most normalizing processes will only raise the peak level to the set amount, and we do not judge volume by peak levels. If our peak is at -1dB, and you normalize to -0.3dB, all you have done is raised the peak by 0.7dB which will make as near to no difference in volume levels as makes no odds at all.
If, on the other hand you use RMS levels for normalizing - again you will get no quality increase at all as you also bring up the noise floor by the same amount.
Plus you introduce a whole new generational loss and Quantization errors into the picture.

:idea: for future conversation(if my english help me :oops: ):
To get volumes correct, do not rip - re record the audio properly.
Ripping will only ever give a padded 16 bit file.

@ all
i have to remove the samples in few days cos my friend need that space(still good samples with normalize comparisons)
tks!

@ all:
"05-Feb-2005... FLAC 1.1.2 released
New in this release are small decoding speedups for all platforms, small encoding speedups in fast (non-LPC) mode, streaming support in the XMMS plugin, and several bug fixes. For developers there are also a few additions and changes to the metadata API to make working with tags easier. See the changelog entry for complete details. This release actually wasn't supposed to happen so soon, but needed to be made to fix library naming and build problems in FLAC 1.1.1 that caused trouble for package maintainers, so unless you are having trouble with one of the particular bugs that got fixed in 1.1.2 then there is not much of a need to upgrade."
download using the link in the first post! Guide to converting your Audio CD to high quality FLAC, Ogg

@ Kwag:
in the first post we still read:
...but we don't normalize no more! 8O ...please,correct the text (and delete this advice :wink: )

Thanks jeo :!: Text changed to: After the track is ripped, etc. :D
Thanks for pointing that out.

-kwag

i can't see the pictures in the first post !
:?
can you help kwag?

Yep they were on a server that is no longer working.
Hope Karl has these on his HDD.
Cheers

I have to search my hard drive for the screenshots. They are there, but I have to look for them.

-kwag

Working on it .............

Edit: Done :!:
Please let me know if there's anything missing :)

BTW, for anyone encoding MP3s, the MP3 parameters I'm now using with lame are:

-V 6 --vbr-new

The quality provided by this mode is transparent for most types of musics, and the average bitrate runs around 120 to 140Kbps, although bitrate will fluctuate from 32Kbps to over 192Kbps using the vbr-new mode.
I'm using this, almost exclusively, as my front end: http://members.home.nl/w.speek/multi.htm

-kwag

really done.
all pictures are there, thank you for hints of mp3 parameters with lame too.
:)

edit:
http://up1.fastuploads.com/oggdropXP...11-1.1.0P3.zip
file not found Kwag.
any other place to download? :?

:oops:
Links fixed :)

Thanks!,
-kwag

thank you for update the link!
how use -V 6 --vbr-new in MULTI FRONTEND with your guide to encode mp3? :oops:
can you show pictures too?
i want oggs to play in pc and mp3 is to play in my car! :)

Sure :) Here you go :cool:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i...2005/06/13.png

That was an encode I just did of a bunch of .ape (Monkeyaudio Lossless) files to mp3, and then I put them on mi iPod :)

-kwag