Jus did "A BUGS LIFE" gold edition: which is 95 mins long,
but also has the widescreen version on the same disc so its just over 3 hrs long. Basicly I did a 3hr & 10 minute movie with menus,extras & all english audio & all subtitles in 6 hrs (converted to VOB's & all)
All with DVD-Rebuilder 0.54 + CCE 2.67 & the "KVCD Notch Matrix"
let me tell u the quality is that unmatched by any transcoder i've ever seen ( & i've tryed em all)

I did a test on this movie with deen before undot & it looks worse that way
using a brand new flat screen 19 inch monitor & geforce 3 video card I came to this conclusion & I'll stick to my original findings & say to
all "Always put undot b4 deen"
try it you'll see.
this was script for DVD-Rebuilder ...

Undot()
Deen()
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)

Did anyone else give rebuilder a shot??

OT in...!
bugs life gold edition with widescreen and 95 minutes long!?!? :o
i don't knew that...monday i will find it! :D i love "this type" of bugs!
OT out..!

The Untouchable,
like i wrote i don't saw differences in my short sample and long tests as you did, are always better.....if anyone more could do more tests will be great! :wink:
but tell us...what was worse using deen before undot? :?
hey, i need to test DVD-Rebuilder !

SORRY BUT IT IS ILLEGAL TO BACKUP DVD AND DISTRIBUTE THEM.BACKUPS SHOULD BE ONLY MADE FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY.READ THE THREAD DISCLAIMER.

In canada it's perfectly legal to make a backup for private viewing
(as long as you dont sell them) !!

But not to offer it to your nephew :!:
Private is private and generally stands for "inner family circle". But you have the right to backup them to let your nephew watch them AT YOUR HOME insteed of using the original DVD. That's what (and why) I started KVCD in fact :-)

... :P 8)

BTW : I'm currently using DVDRebuilder and the results are promising.

I'm doing Titanic, that is the perfect "client" for that : 3h long, no extras on the DVD (so no space lost), a lot of underwater scenes (of course ;-)), a lovely naked lady.. hum... that's not important indeed :-p

The quality is below what I have with Q mode generally but if the tool can do all the job in one click, then I will live with that little loss in quality. Doing a DVD with 2 language an 1 subtitle takes me generally all day long (DVD2AVI + Subrip + AC3Machine + CCE + DVD-Lab) ! Here the job should be performed in 5-6 hours and the original menu is supposed to be still present :-)

Just have to wait :-)

Note: they are a lot of option to setup manually before to do the first encode. Be carrefull if you try it !

Thing is it'll take about 5-6 hours on an "Athlon XP / P4"
But that is for a 3 hour movie
I did forrest which is 2 h & 15 mins i think & it took only 4 hrs & 45 mins
But the main idea is time & i step (click)
Besta luck to ya phil !!
C U in 5 hrs 8)

quality is beautiful for me ... better than alotta other encodes i have done in the past tho
But you aswell as I know it's actually CCE thats doing the encoding.

That will take a little longer as I encode at speed 0.70 and the job is performed in 2pass ( I forgot that :-))

I hope you set these option correctly :
- uncheck "convertoToYUY2"
- check "disable deinterlace" (except if you DVD was really interlaced)
- used "advanced avs script" option to set "Deen()/Undot()" as filter to be used in all script

With that all seems to be correct. The only drawback is the encoding cell by cell that prevent to know of much time is still expected before the end :-)

You talked about recoder, that's not the same ! For sure with a need in compression about 49.5% like I need for this movie, no recoder can do the job (recoder = dvdshrink or DVD2One for instance).
But quality is clearly below Q mode in CCE. And that is mainly due to this "cell by cell" way of processing : the 2pass bitrate optimization can't be performed on the whole movie as it is supposed to be :-(.

I just hope that subtitles will be in synch as that is the part that give me real pain in the ass generally.

I also do it at 2pass

But converttoyuv2 was left checked at default oops?
& I checked mpeg2source idct ect ect oops?

That's not so important. There is an opened point to know if it's better to let the system to perform the space color conversion or if it's better to have avisynth to do it before to feed the encoder. Noone really had the time to perform complete tests on that :-)

Lol. Also there is not importance : idct=7 speeds up things on P4 as it uses SSE2 intruction. No diff in quality, just speed. I use it also.

Sh%t phil I screwed up man, I thought that once I turn "disable interlace" on that it would stay on. But now I messed up, it goes back to off by default automaticly, I failed to see that & backed up 3 of my movies already which aren't interlaced
SO NOW ... due to me ecoding a non interlaced source as interlaced ...
is this bad or make things slower or pic worse or does it make the dvd not play right on certain players? please do answer
thankx 8)

Also I dont have a p4 its an amd athlon xp so is this also bad if i use mpeg2source icdt?

Not necessary : I thing that the tool trus DVD2AVI analisys. It's often wrong but not anytime. So with a little luck your DVD were encoded correctly.

If there weren't interlaced, but encoded as if they were, the result is clearly unwatchable ! Any movement of the camera will make you sick !
That's how I saw that my current job was done interlaced : I checked the first m2v once it was encoded and... :puke:

No, you won't have the speed benefit of idct=7, that's all.

hmmm well i've done 3 movies that were NOT interlaced
& encoded them as INTERLACED but they all look fine
why are your copys unwatchable & mine are clear ?

You are NTSC and am I PAL perhaps ?
I mean that NTSC has 2 fps that correspond generally to interlaced (29.970) or progressive (23.976). In Pal we use 25 for both and that surely make things a lot more noticiable.

(OT: for your widescreen DVD problem in other thread, DVDRebuild also indicate 4:3 in the main window when the DVD is not anamorphic, like the one I'm currently doing)

so does this mean i should redo them?
do u think power dvd 4.0 automaticly deinterlaces & that i just havent sen it for that reason?
they looked fine on the tv

TV are ALWAYS interlaced, even if the DVD is progressive (standalone does the interlacing).
If they look fine, why bother ?

what part of dvd2avi shouldent be trusted?
here it says progressive (in dvd2avi)
but looks interlaced (in the pic from dvd2avi)

Trust your eyes.
In my case taht was the opposite (detected as interlaced but in reality progressive).
But VERY FEW DVD are interlaced. Generally they are material issued from TV (live performance or TV shows). But blockbuster movies are almost all progressive.

in that case ... i only screwed up on 2 because bruce almighty turns out to be interlaces but detected in dvd2avi as progressive

how much longer for your backup phil?

Not really a relevant question as I encode on my office PC in idle priority but after 2h30 it is in the cell #10 on 32. That will do near 7h30 for the whole movie but can be surely faster if I encode during the night.

oh sorry to bug u so much then, I did'nt know u were at work :oops:
BTW change dvd-rebuilder priority to high? i didn't see an option?
1 more note Rebuilder .55 is out, :D hope they worked out the having to reboot bug if u cancel during encoding (i could never use the program menu in start bar after that without reboot

I set DVDRebuilder to call eclcce. In this one you can set the priority used for cce.

Since yesterday. Guess wich verson I'm using ? :-)
No problem with that but since this morning I have lost the wheel usage on my mouse and that never happened to me before :?: :!: :-(

well hmmm i'll have to see for myself (havent tryed it yet)
But I'm going to now & hopefully it'll be faster encoding aswell
I'ma redo forrest (jus because it's a 6 award winner)
it deserves the best quality in a backup.
do u think on highest priorty i could u se the computer for internet surfing & encode at the same time?
or would that cause serious glitches in the destination movie?

Phil,
i download some old versions and the last new with the setup page,how to use and faqs(as i know i download "everithyng") but i never did tests with this prog and can't find answer for my first doubt...and i have 2 doubts..please,answer me:

first: it's for only one movie ? (it's unclear in faqs)

second: you posted that it's fast.... faster than CCE, but how can it be faster if you're still using CCE as encoder in DVD-RB ? :?

thanks in advance! :)

yes it is only for 1 movie, & its faster than cce only if u use rejig,
it's still faster than cce alone because u dont need 3rd party programs to demutaplex shrik audio & remultaplex again, not to mention using menu programs.
Its 1 step movie sound & subs

ps I still dont see where i change priority?
is it in cce or rebuilder?

The tool do the WHOLE DVD. That is movie, menu and extras. You can set a different quality for extras only in order to have the maximum quality for movie. But if your extras take half the DVD like this happens sometime, this tools can't be used according to me.
The DVD I'm doing don't have a lot of extras : only the theater teaser in 2 languages.

That's also something I have to check !
Generally I encode in 0.60. Here the job is running at 0.74 in average :?
But :
- I never use idct=7 in the mpeg2source line
- I use cpu=4 in the mpeg2source line (and that slow the things)
- I generally do "mpeg2source + resize + deen/undot + DCTfilter". Here the avs generated do "mpeg2source + deen/undot + resize".
You know taht sometimes to put the filters before the resize can change a lot the speed :-).

After the job will end, I will try manually on an other DVD I already did, to change to avs script to see if that is the reason.

Note: there is also the fact that the encoding in 2pass can be faster than the one in Q mode.

Note2: remember that 0.74 is the speed for ONE pass. As I encode in two pass, that give 0.37 as overall speed ! So that is slower than Q mode in the end :!:

I answered to that ! It's in eclcce !

Note: NOTHING can interfer in an encoding. That is a mathematical operation and 1+1 gives always 2 whatever you are doing on your PC in the meantime. That's again a urban legend that tell you mustn't use the PC while encoding :-(
But at high priority you won't be abble to do other thing that be mad after your mouse because it won't answer a lot :-)

looks like forrest isn't progressive after all most of the movie is clean but quite a bit little lines appear when certain movement happens,
(in the original movie)

OK I've confused myself now
Disable "interlaced" in dvd-rebuilder
does that mean the source is interlaced & to keep it that way or
does it mean to disable the interlaceness in a movie ? :( :oops:

If a movie is interlaced do i want (disable "interlaced") on or off ??

That means that you know that your source is progressive and want to work in progressive mode.

Without that, the avs script generated is like this :

so if a movie is interlaced should it be selected or no?

No !
But I guess you can also use "deinterlace with Decomb" and then (i still guess) your movie will be deinterlaced and you will encode in progressive (generally better)

In sum :
- "disable interlaced" is when you KNOW that the source is progressive and you want to FORCE the tool to encode in progressive
- "deinterlace with Decomb" is when you KNOW that the source is interlaced and you want to FORCE the tool to encode in progressive.

If you want to have it done in interlaced, you must let both options unchecked.

thanks bro, somehow i confused myself (too long infronta the comp
i need a break lol
is there a better tool for checking besides dvd2avi?
also correct me if i'm wrong but decomb with deinterlace would need 2 or so more extra hours to encode

I guess the theory is that if source is interlaced then destination should be interlaced too

You receive it in two instances when your birthed. They are called "eyes".

I don't knwo. But surely :-)

My personnal theory is : if source is interlaced, do an other DVD :-)

WARNING
Anyone using DVDRebuild :
Try this : launch an encode, wait for CCE to be in the middle of the second pass on any segment, cancel. Select the project, (double click), go in "video" then "quantizatio matrix". And read...

8 16 19 22 ...

THAT IS THE STANDARD MPEG2 MATRIX ! And you CAN'T erase it !
This matrix is used anytime there is no other matrix in the ecl project. And as DVDRebuild does not generate an ecl including an alternate matrix, that's a "no way".

That explain A LOT why the quality was such different than in Q mode :-(

And BTW the encoding "cell by cell" is, as I told, very bad idea : some chapter are worse than the others and the quality is not constant during the whole movie.

:arrow: Finally, even if the work is not finished yet (I paused it), I can tell that this tool can by enought for a Doom9 audience, but it's definitely not a "KVCD encoder RC" :lol:

(note: once it is finished with CCE, I will do the same movie with QEnc using Trellis quantization and KVCd matrix - it is supported by QEnc !)

yep :!:
when i read the faqs and lots of about dvd-rb i can't stop to think about it and now i see that i was in the same "logic" as you Phil!

Finally no test is needed with QEnc. Not only the picture is AWFULL but I asked to keep french subtitle and it kept... dutch ones !

This tool is not an encoder, neither a transcoder, it's a trash-feeder !

picture awful, select french subtitle and get dutch ones using trash-feeder !?!?
8O oh my GOD!
i don't know what means trash-feeder but...i can imagine ! :lol:

:ideasmiley:
getting dutch subs and not the selected french with picture awful maybe is good for who can't read any language cos he can be illiterate and the language of the subs is irrelevant. it's only to choose the subs on/off in the wireless control. :rotf:

That's a brand new word I invented to tell that the trash bin on my windows desktop was pleased to be feed by this tool and all files it produced :-)

then my imagination and intuition(that don't let me test it) are cool...this is what i was thinking! :roll: :lol:

but the phrase :arrow: "the trash bin on my windows desktop was pleased" is fantastic ! :rotf: .....and is going to "the hall of fame" too!