CCE with DVD-REBUILDER does not support KVCD Notch Matrix!
 

I'm making a 1 to 1 DVD backup, (1 DVD to 1 DVD+R)
& basicly I'm using a program that lets me script but wont let me use all of KWAGS lates script. (Only have room for 5 lines i think)

undot()
asharp(1, 4)
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)

THAT'S IT THERE ... but when its done the KDVD copy is waaaay brighter than the original DVD ... Plus it slows the program down (8 hours 1 DVD)
Usually I can do it in 4 hrs.

My question is " What filter(s) can I add to this script so that the brightness is reduced by 25 %

& what can I add/delete to make this script faster in encoding time ?

Assuming your source dvd is good qualitym why have you got so many
smoother and blur filters there? You've basically got a dot remover, a sharpener, then 3 blur-type filters..

I've found in the past that the merge Chroma/Luma filters do mess up the contrast/brightness.

Well what I'm doing is using the kvcd notch matrix with a program (which works with Cinema Craft Encoder) to make 1 original DVD-9 movie fit on 1 DVDR-5 (this way theres no quality loss & get get to keep all extras & menu) rather than the old way of using a trascoder like nero or dvd shrink which only lets u do movieonly backups to a 4.7 dvd+r
You just loose too much quality that way.

But my question just still remains unanswered
I need a set of filters that gets rid of jagged edges on cartoon movies
& reduces the apearance of bitrate shortage around the characters & subtitles & to also remove blockiness

The filters i chose did it all except they made the pic waay too bright & made cce take 8 hours instead of 4 like it should be.
ANY new filtering ideas?

this is what my filters are like

undot()
asharp(1, 4)
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)

Help please
My only problem with my scrip is speed & brightness otherwise the script works.
Anyway to shortin the encoding time by half & make the brightness & contrast normal??

OK OK UPDATE I took your advice & removed MergeLuma & MergeChroma now I need to get rid of these tiny thin fine lines that apear in the destination file (lines only a true videophile like me would care about
any ideas fellas ??

Did you tried to remove asharp?

Yes i did that makes the pic quality much better but tiny very thin lines still appear (can notice when i zoom in just once)
I still keep getting the bitrate shortage around subtitles & character/people & some jagged edges

this is what my script looks like now

undot()
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)

Whats a good set of 2 or 3 filters that are a must have if my source is an original DVD?

Whats the program


big secret :D

I wanted a simple script for good dvd sources and Phil and Jorel and i even see them using it on doom9 is this

Deen()
Undot()

don't know if it is what you are looking for

as in another thread you are asking about use or not use letterbox for your next (new) widescreen tv, i send my recomendations here for the filters and resolutions(resizes/addborders/letterbox):
don't resize the movies(dvds sources of course)...use only:

Undot()
Deen()

nothing more....you will get good compression, great quality and will never loose anything in the borders getting the original AR from the source.
but wait...maybe anyone have better hints! :wink:

:lol: bigggt was faster! :P
@ bigggt
if you search and follow the dates,i think that we was using that "kiss" filter before the friends in d9! :wink:

Thank 4 replying quickly, I didn't quite understand what u were asking me but r u trying to tell me what 2 filters to use ?

Hi jorel ... I'ma try those 2 filters in a 15 minute test encode,
so r u trying to say i shouldn't use the LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16) at all??

I was just joking about the program :D and yes about the 2 filters i have used them and they seem to work great

@ Jorel

You know i am new to dvd2svcd so i have been trying to read alot of the post over at doom9, there is a lot of information over there and a lot to take in :D

yes.... you did questions about letterbox here, right?
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12210
then...better don't use it !

O.M.G. I took your advice & jus finished a small 15 minute test & with your choice of 2 filters & no resize.
I've gotten the pic quality to be almost beautiful!! 8)
I'ma making a full DVD backup of "A bugs life" it's an anamated movie
the only problem i have now is i sometimes get a bitrate shortage around the little charicters (I'm getting little bugs around the bugs) LOL LOL :lol:
Is there 1 more filter i can add to remedy this problem?
other than that pic quality is wicked !!

believe me, i encode bugs life using that filters without resizes and don't had problems like you posted using D2s with CCE2.50!
as i never used DVD-Rebuilder before, i think that better is change to D2S with Roba to do the job...test it first and see if you get differences.

This is mosquito noise and has nothing to do with bit shortrage. But you can at least :

1/ use the letterbox(16,16,16,16) line as, if I understood well, you do not do any resizing and these 16px boruder will be in the overscan, so it's better to put blck there than a picture.

2/ be sure that you are using the last deen (august 2003) and not the one from 2002.

glad i caught u phil how about my overscan question about widescreen tvs & letterbox16161616 ??

I tryied but never found the way to tell it to use KVCD matrix. So I guess the untouchable uses the standard matrix and that is why he has such bad results !

@ jorel, when u say d2s u mean dvd2svcd right? doesnt that program take like 12 to 24 hrs to do 1 movie?

:idea:
with CCE266 we can choose the kvcd notch matrix.
and if The Untouchable want only bugs life for 1 Kdvd media he can choose Q1 in CCE and using the ac3-5.1 channels from the source...don't need predictions for that target! :wink:

are u refering to dvd2svcd or dvd rebuilder phil ??
I'm using kvcd notch matrix with dvd rebuilder
i patched my cce with vmequitos kvcd patch for vrs 2.67
& i think dvd rebuilder has no choice but to use the kvcd notch matrix,
am i wrong? maybe

well..depend of the cpu, defrag the hd, how much free space, slave hd to encode.....it all (and more factors) give a big difference in the time to encode needed!
i think...better is a long time waiting for great quality then faster result with bad quality!

I'm not using DVD Rebuilder for prediction, i'm using it to mutaplex audio & keep all menus & extras atomaticly at the push of 1 button

Jorel, read my words : this is DVDRebuilder that call CCE with all the paremeters already set. And it gives you no way to tell that you want to use an alternate Matrix ! I never said I dont know how to change the matrix in CCE ;-)
D2S for instance has a choice in the encoder tab to select the matrix. This choice does not exists in Dvdrebuilder.

And how can you do the encoding by yourself ? I mean, there is a way to use DVDRebuilder only for what it call "phase 1" and "phase 3" but doing the encoiding with an external programm ?

3 big problems here:

first my english is horrible(for all and for myself)

second(to Phil) my idea to use the kvcd notch matrix in CCE266(alone or with D2s) and not in DVD Rebuilder(please, just read my words too) :!:

third(to The Untouchable) i was answer you about letterbox here in this thread before Phil answer you in another thread and wrote that you had to wait others recomendations!... and i don't knew that you want the full movie with menus(was not clear in the begining of this thread) cos i always encode the main movie without credits ....then,without menus you don't need predictions(this is what i was trying to show)!

well phil/guys i patched cce 2.67 sp with vmesquitos kvcd notch matrix patch,
then deleted the standard cce mpeg matrix cuz dvdrebuilder kept jumping to it by default, now dvd rebuilder .54 runs cce which has no choice but to use the kvcd notch matrix from vmesquitos patch
ye i'm taking a new approach to KDVD ...
1 MOVIE PER 1 DVD+R WITH ALL MENUS,EXTRAS & AUDIOS & SUBS
Well not all the audios just the english ones.
DVD Rebuilder does it in about 4 hrs & now thanks to u 3 guys, my movie looks wicked !! :D
ps i now relze why i was getting shitty results,
dvdrebuilder kept jumping to cce's default matrix so i deleted standard matrix & the other reason is i had deen b4 undot :oops:
now its beautiful THANK U GUYS !!
if u havent tryed DVD Rebuilder with cce DO IT !! it measure perfect size for your dvdr's & its like having the original movie & all hidden features like easter eggs (all with 1 click)

well i'm off for about 4-5 hours to let this encode,
thanks to all, bigg,jorel,phil
I now dont have to buy a dual layer burner
we can all learn alot from each other (that sounds gay doesn't it)? LOL
But seriously we can !!
I'm out

Lets us know how the final encode comes out

@ Phil and Jorel

I don't know if it is a typing error or what or just a different encoder setting or whay but you guys have different oreder of filters

I saved this from Phil a while ago

And JOrel from this post

As you can see deen and undot are in different order

can you guys please clarify :D

also with Phil's script it has cpu=4 at the end of mpeg2source line ,is this only for tpmge

thanx

Okay ! Tha is the bold part that I miss so. Can you explain to me how to do that ? I mean remove the standard matrix ?

I don't see the point to keep all extras as they often take half of the DVD :-(. Menu and audio, that's cool.

goto cce & open template menu & select "standard" i think u have to select it twice for it open (just like when u r changing the Q
then there a button that say delete
there u go happy encoding
ps should deen be b4 or after undot??????????????????????????????
this is my script

Undot()
Deen()
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)

I don't mean extras as in previews for other movies, i mean extras as in hmmm example what was that new movie with the cartoon goldfish?
it had a game u could play lol thats cool !! finding nemo 8)
great present for a nephew/niece who r younger

phil .. i need to know b4 i go is deen put before or after undot?
thanks

I always use Deen then Undot and never thought that the order can have an importance for a script using only that. But Untouchable said he has better result with Undot then Deen as indicated by Jorel.
I can't tell you more until I tested myself the other order. :-)

Not at all ! I should by used any time for better results.

Hi Phil could you show me how to put cpu=4 in this script

thanx

1/ Using blindPP is less efficient than putting "cpu=4" in the mpeg2source line but with D2S there is unfortunally no other choice

2/ As I told, you should use the letterbox line if you do not do any resize because these 16px will be out of the part displayed by the TV screen and putting black there will gain some bytes for the remainder of the picture.
(bit I suppose here you are doing 720*480 target, else don't use that line).

Thanx Phil :D

just like you Phil, i never tested the "reverse", or better, deen before undot like you use but i will!
help me to think:
what Deen do and what undot do in the script?...
:arrow: it's just a question to find the better position for this filters IF it can give differences, ok?
i think that deen will work better without dots(using undot first) than using deen first and removing dots after deens's job!
then... why did you choose to use deen before undot? believe(and you know), your explanations will be apreciated !

and about letterbox for widescreens and hdtvs...we really need that? we still "loose" 16 in the borders?
i swear :lol: ,i never tested my encodes without letterbox in this tvs, only in 4:3!
thank you! :wink:

Deen is the "full" denoiser that removes the biggest part of what shouldn't be there. Undot focus only on "blinking" points that are generally mosquito noise (already existing in the source of course). That is why I use Deen first, because it is supposed to do 90% of the work.

I thought the opposite : undot will work better after deen cleaned all the other type of noise :-)

You know that the loose is due to electronics and is related to cathodic bulb usage. So yes, you still have overscan in widescreens TV.
Now the question can be : do we need 16px on each side or different value for right/left and top/bottom.
I really don't know.

ok...great! "i really don't know" was perfect ! :lol: (just kidding.it's ok)

deen don't will work "too much" if he got dots to "clean"? what will happen with this dots filtered by deen!?!?:?
...well, better is if we do some tests, right? :)

thanks! :)

using dvd bugs life doing short tests only for references! :wink:

results loading this scripts in vdubmod to do screenshots :
MPEG2Source("D:\1.D2V")
undot()
deen()

and

MPEG2Source("D:\1a.D2V")
deen()
undot()

:arrow: no differences using zoom 400% comparing (lots) the pictures (paint).

results using the same scripts in CCE and getting the 2 .mpvs, loading in vdubmod to do scrrenshots:
:arrow: no differences using zoom 400% comparing (lots too) the pictures (paint).

sample encoded with each script have 7,216 seconds and each encoded .mpv have 5,19Mb (5.316Kb)...just the same size and same quality.

result using that samples before and after encode: just the same!
in my opinion if the positions of this filters give differences(i don't see any) they are irrelevants,
maybe using other sources..who knows? :)