OPV in HC
 

Hi,

I have almost ready OPV support for HC :!:

The result is excellent although the final size (after authoring) is a little undersized (4.15 GB). I think I have to teak it a little to produce a more closer result (4.30 GB)


I will do a couple of more tests and post a new release soon . . .

Cheers,

DVDREasy

Re: OPV in HC
 

Can you explain how do you do it?

Re: OPV in HC
 

Hi Prodater64,

here is how I'm doing it :
1) put all the right settings for 2 passes VBR
2) encode 1% of the movie with avisynth command “SelectRangeEvery(1200,12)”
3) grab from HC log file the average quant value
4) encode the full movie in OPV with that average quant value

Note: For using this method you have to force the setting "*GOP 12 1"

In fact, after take the average quant value from HC log I multiply that value by a corrective factor (I'm working on it - for now is 0,9980) but, from the tests I did the corrective value can be lower

Cheers,

DVDREasy

Re: OPV in HC
 

Please don't drop the regular 2-pass support ;)

-kwag

Re: OPV in HC
 

Of course not . . . thats for sure :!:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i.../2005/05/4.jpg

Are you aware that selectrangeeverys first integer is not the number of the samples but the period (distance in frames to next slice).
So that wont be constant when doing diff. movie source lengths.

Sampler() from SansGrip used as first integer the number of samples in a lenght of the second integer.

If you want to use a percentual movie prediction using selectrangeevery then you could try this ...

Usage:
slicer(2,15,1,"ping")

2= 2% to be predictioned of the whole movie
15 = Length of the GOP in frames of the later Encoding
1 = GOP Lenght multiplier (for longer slices)
"Ping" = A Ping will be done

"Pong" would mean a Pong would be done WHERE the offset is done automatically by the function internally. The offset is calculated so the pong prediction samples exactly between the ping slices.

Thats based on teh PingPong method but how ever you can see the math and adapt it on a single prediction without offset where a user could also tweak the prediction %age in your appl.

:wink:

@incredible

THANKS ! :D

Like I do but it's not the same Q value then the 2pass encode like you said. It's under that and also prediction take time and so I think a support for CQ isn't good. Because 2pass gives me the best quality and the perfect filesize. :D
And also the q isn't constant if you check the max bitrate. :cry:

Its a nice "theory" using the Q float value out of a sliced 2-pass pre-encode, but as we know all encoders do at least sometimes change in their Q in a minimal way even if encoding the same! source twice.

So why not doing or at least trying the way using a prediction as we have been used to. No matter if a "simple" prediction ... my "ping Pong" one or a "long/short" one.

Yes, your absolutly right. But it's a nice fast way to get a very close value. And then I think your Method would be the best choise to predic the value. But as I said 2Pass is the best and why so complicated?! :wink:

Hi,

Although I know that this isn´t the PERFECT way to achieve the optimal Q value, its VERY fast and gives a very close value . . .

Now, I'm using a corrective factor of 0,97 and all the movies I did are ON TARGET :

Did 3 movies (01h:56m, 02h:10m and 02h:43m) and the final size (after authoring) is between 4,29GB and 4,32 GB :!: :D

Like I said the 2 pass option continues to be available.

Cheers,

DVDREasy

But gop 12 1 is for ntsc encodes, isn't?
What for PAL ones?

I think if he reach a more or less accurate method, it is worth to use it, as 2 Pass VBR takes a lot of time, and CQ quality is also good enough.
(and I already know that time doesn't matter)

A 12 Gop is a "cream" Gop, means for best Quality IF enough Bitrate is available.

Usual: PAL = 15 and NTSC = 18

DVDreasy meant that IF the length of the slices in the 2pass Prediction is 12 then also the later encoding in the GOP has to be 12.

But slices using 15 is ok (its the very limit as the prediction ALSO has to estimate the encoders Motionvectors handling and therefore each slice shouldnt be too short. Often I use a Gop multiplier of 2 in my Predictions, thats why I integrated it in slicer()

Yep, you'r right !

Look, I'm not a expert in encoding stuff . . . Just a curious.

I didn't expect so much posts about this thread !

KVCD.NET forum really ROCKS !!! :!: :wink:

Cheers,

DVDREasy

Hey Pedro,

If you can code an application like DVDREasy, than makes you fall under the "Expert" category immediately ;) :mnkypile:

-kwag

Hi Pedro,
OT on-
Let me congratulate you for such a wonderful tool you're working on.
It is nice to see so many coders working in the forum and (for me) especially the TUGAS (a.k.a Portuguese ones :)).
OT off-
You are using the exact same tools that I was using before I stoped visiting the forum for a while.
I just wonder if HC has gain some speed and if Muxman has already accomplished full compliancy?
Anyway I do trust these tools will work wonders under your GUI.
Do keep the options open as for OPV or 2-Pass.
Just remember: here at kvcd.net we give more credit to quality than to encoding speed ;-)
TIA

Cheers

Hi Rui,

Hc is a little faster in 0.14 beta release. DVDREasy use MUXMAN since 0.13 release and I never had a complyance problem.

The open options in DVDREasy for HC are the ones you can change in Encoder settings (see the picture in this thread). other settings are passed to HC automaticly (interlaced, TFF, Aspect rate, scan method, etc)

Remember, this is an EASY one click tool to be used for all the people (with or without encoding knowledge).

Cheers,

DVDREasy

Wow! Thanks a lot for this excellent tool! :D
I don't know if this already have been answered, but is this OPV version out yet?

DVDREasy 0.6.3 will be available SOON :!: :wink:

Hey DVDreasy .... :)

OT/
Maybe the following wishes/requests already have been mentioned but here's what I would like to have:

a) Option to also include a second Audio Track as maybe many users beside their native Language Track would like to enjoy having the orig english Track. I think there its no Problem to mux/author a DVD containing 2 Audios (Look at the .exe's/Binaries provided wth DVDauthorGUI).

b) Being able to encode the Videotrack just as single ES, as I often like to author a DVD by myself so no DVDauthoring via DVDreasy needed (but maybe I missed something as I hadnt the time to get really deep into your GUI :oops: :) .... So DVDreasy could be also just used for prediction purposes on HC.

BTW: If I remember there was mentioned somewhere that the avs script import in HC causes Problems when using Win2000?? As Im not able to import avs scripts :arrow: HC freezes. No matter which script (AVS 2.56 used and latest HC Release) ... I havent been that much in the HC and also DVDreasy Threads so maybe that also has ben diskussed/solved before ;)

Yes it is. I can't use my laptop with HC just for that.

Hi Incredible,

Yep, other users had requested the same . . .
After full implementation of OPV (CCE & HC) I will start coding on that.

Although I understand you point of view, DVDREasy is one click EASY tool.
People want to get the result files ready for burning (VIDEO_TS directory) or an ISO IMAGE.

DVDREasy now have 3 option :
------------------------------------
Convert - result files ready for burning in VIDEO_TS directory
Convert & Create ISO Image - Creation of ISO after conversion
Convert, Create & burn ISO Image - Creation of ISO and BURN it

Maybe I add a new option "Just Re-encoding" that generate the files ready for authoring (*.AC3/DTS, *.SUP, *.M2V)

Cheers,

DVDREasy

I think people can use vobedit. Don't worry with that.

But I thought Ifoedit and Vobedit had some serious issues on both PAL and NTSC.
I can't remember which issues but I can clearly recall there were issues.
Have they been solved?
I'm speaking against myself because I used ifoedit (for a long time) to mux my video+audio+subs and I never saw any problems.
But to keep it on safe ground I moved on to DVDAuthor.
But now it seems DVDAuthor also has some slight problems.
I was looking at Muxman as the definitive solution for the muxing but apparently the author will "hack" the freeware version for limited amount of tracks (video/audio/subs).
Since I've been away for sometime has these above assumptions been prooven wrong by anybody?
Cheers

I'd like to as for my purposes why first waiting for muxing and then demuxing using other Apps. :)

Ifoedit is now replaced by PGCEdit. Vobedit is used only for demuxing and there is no problem relating to format that I know.

Thanks for the info Phil ;-)

I never hear of this problem . . .

It happens in GUI and BATCH or just in the GUI version ?

I don´t have any problem report on using HC in DVDREasy. (perhaps most of the users are using XP...)

Cheers,

DVDREasy

GUI for my part. I don't know for Inc. The GUI do not exactly freeze, but it never exit and if you kill it, you have to reboot the PC to proceed a second encode. Not exactly convenient :-D

@dvdreasy and all: Take a look.

There are some code in HC-Qmatic-core.bat that can help Pedro.

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15870