Update on the LOTR sample
 

Sorry, but I fixed my problem with the LOTR. It seems I had the aspect ratio set to 4:3 525 line NTSC while the original video was 16:9 525 line NTSC. :roll: oops. well, I wouold like to know what the VBV buffer size does. (And what it affects) i've been at VCD's for a few months but I haven't touched this yet.

- :D Again, any help would be appreciated :D -

i encoded the movie "Snatch" (103 minutes) last night with the new template.

OMG! its awesome! and it came out to under 750 mb. the downside is it took 10 hours to encode, twice as long as the old templates :(

...but oh well, its a keeper. :mrgreen:

Well sad that it wont accept the gop structure, and I am planing on using mpeg 2 48khz audio for dvd compliance so thats why I wanted to use cce.

Also how long will this encoding take!! I have been told its more than the original templet and my my computer is only 450mhz!!! :o

Also you wouldn't be as nice as to give me a few tips for setting the templet up for 2 cds agus dvd compliance would ya?

Baker

Hi Kwag

How about conducting a poll on KVCD templates DVD player feature compatibility as that makes life easy for DVD player buyers.

I am not successful with APEX-660. KOSS Portable player is successful
with KXVCD @29fps though it has some video jerks which can't be seen.

FitCD
 

Hey Kwag,

What parameters do you fiddle with in FitCD to get it to produce the appropriate avs commands for your new KVCDplus template? (704x480)
I was trying to get the appropriate cropping command for a widescreen movie (spygame)

Thanks for all your help

New vs Old template
 

kwag,
big fan of your work and have been following since vcdhelp.
downloaded the clips and noticed the macro/micro blocks are very noticeable. i agree that after a while you tend to ignore them but they are still there. i'm still using the previous template with the quantize matrix tab, Output YUV checked to make the blacks fully black and make 2 cds at 78 cq. i can't tell the difference in the dvd to the xvcd. that works for me.
the question is when i load your template some of the settings do not change, for instance i have field b for field order so it will work in my panasonic rv26, which doesn't seem to work in other dvds. can you just post the screen shots you use for tmpg so everyone can check their settings against yours? i think that would be very helpful.

we're getting close!

Hi Yoda:

These fields ( Field order, etc ) will change depending on your source. If it's Interlaced or Non-interlaced. So I can't give a screen shot for that, because it will be different for every user.
For example. If your source is non-interlaced, the Field Order doesn't make a difference if it's set to bottom field or top field.

If you have field "b" set, that means that the source you've encoded is interlaced, and the first field is "b". If you were to encode a source that had the first field as "a", your mpeg would look very jumpy, and you would have to change the order to "a".
So field "b" will not work for every material.

If someone is encoding an interlaced video, you have to find the correct field order. Here's a link with the correct procedure:
http://www.inmatrix.com/articles/ivtc1.shtml

kwag

kwag,
the reason i went to field b was because playback on the panasonic was jumpy on (field a). i thought the source was interlaced but after checking i found it wasn't. i've use (field b) for all my dvd rips but will run some tests with the new template as (field a) just to see if the jumping comes back.
by the way what gives with the 2-3 hour increase in encoding time? i have a dell 1.76 ghz. and it cooks. now i'm looking at 6 hours for a 2 hour movie.

The increased encoding time is caused by the higher resolution.

kwag

Another question, why did you out the b picture spoilage back to 20?

DaDe.

Yet another question... on the template I downloaded the closed GOP box is checked... Any quality/size improvement with it?

Any chance of some samples kwag??

Baker

I was loosing compression at 0.

kwag

Got better compression and quality with the closed GOP.

kwag

kwag could u plz help, i dont know where im going wrong. i downloaded the sample of the matrix and was amazed by the quailty so then i decided to give the new temp a try i used kvcdx2 (for 1 cd) and left the settings as default and statred to encode on very slow, the file i got was much worse than the original yah the res was much bigger but i could make out little blocks (just noticeable but bunched up together in a section of the screen which made them noticeable) and at times the picture would become fuzzy not to fuzzy i might add but noticeable is this becuse of the res settings in the temp? or could it be that the original file i was encodeing was encoded at 352x240 :?:

What's your source? What are you trying to encode?

kwag

i was rencoding an mpg file i had to see how much it would improve the res of that was 352x240, what do u mean by whats my source?

If you're trying to use the KVCDx2 to encode a 352x240 source, there's no way you're going to get good quality.

You're trying to blow up a 352x240 to 704x480. That's a no no!

kwag

Any samples going to be shown yet kwag?

Baker

did you see the sample in the first post of this thread?

ENCODING ANIME!
 

Kwag,

I was wonder if it were possible to encode animes using your kvcd template. When I encode Samurai X I get lots of jerky motion during motion scene but none on movies. Is it because animes need to be encoded at 29.97 fps as oppose to 23.97. I used to have this problem to with normal vcd encoding but I fixed it, but for the kvcd template I don't have a solution. I'd really appreciate it if you would help or anyone, thanks!

hmm ic kwag, but say if i encode that 352x240 to 352x480 using the kvd temp then encode the 352x480 file with kvcdx2 will it look better?

Re: ENCODING ANIME!
 

Hi FRANKTKA:

Encode your movie with an AviSynth script with decomb.dll.
Here's the instructions:
http://www.doom9.org/decomb.htm

kwag

Every generation is worse quality than the previous.
Just like commercial DVD's are created from original material ( uncompressed ) and look extraordinary, If you take your DVD and re-compress it, it looks worse. Re-encode that mpeg again and now it's worse than the previous. You get the idea.

kwag

I'm having problems with the sound skipping every few seconds with your Matrix sample on the new template, any solutions?

Had the same problem with movies 352x480.

G

I mean samples using the new 2 cd templet, i would love to see one and can't since my bloody samsung dvd drive still won't work, I have tried captures but I only have one source digital satellite. Some channels have macroblocks which means they wont work with this templet other have noise whih creates an "intresting" effect where the b and p frames can be scene as they get worse and worse then when an i frame comes in it looks great for a secod then gets worse again..

So samples would be great kwag,

how about that matrix splash scene or the lobby shootout or even the fight between neo and mr.smith in the subway?

Baker

Here baker. Just for you! 8)
15 second, 3MB, lobby shootout.
Done with the 2CD template. No changes.
http://www.kvcd.net/2cdsamp.mpg

kwag

Re: New template, new sample
 

Hey Kwag, what's the final file size of Matrix using kvcdX2 for 2 cds?

Hi bigbob2:

I don't know 8O
Haven't tried it yet.
I'll encode it tonight, and let you know tomorow.

kwag

Hi Kwag......have bee big fan of your templates. I ripped a James Taylor music DVD (109 mins) using the KVCDx2 (PAL) 1CD template and it ended up being 1.36GB. Movement does not seem to be excessive. Is this to be expected?

Cheers and keep up the good work (there must be a book you have to write).

yep thanks kwag i get the idea

( I Posted this same thing on vcdhelp, just posting it here also for those guys who come here more than vcdhelp (thanks for the sample kwag!))

As you know already I plan to soon get a dvd burner and when I do I don't want to have to re-encode every movie I own as this would take a long time. So I decided that although 3cds is way too much and will be very annoying but that in the long term it will be worth while. So I opened up the dvd templet in tmpgenc and started modifing it. I worked out that my avg bitrate will have to be around 2100 to fit on 3 cds confortably so the first place I went to was the bitrate. The minumum is and was of course 2000 so I couldn't change that and since my avg was going to be around 2100 my max was already 2200 so I am at a loss as to what to do now! I also loaded in your q. matrix and changed the audio to 160 dual channel. I am wondering now if since my bitrate ranges from 2000-2200 will cbr not be a better option for me?

UPDATE:My test results came back and I was very impressed indeed! However high action scenes resulted in blocks so I am now considering on uping the max bitrate to around 2400 or there abouts.

So in short my question is:
From the info above would 2000(UPDATE: now 2350) cbr not be a quicker safer option for me insted of cq?

P.S for those of you with dvd burners you may well be intrested in my templet, it will get you 3-4 movies on one dvd-r in dvd quailty which means that you will save money on those expensive dvd-rs!


Baker

Re: New template, new sample
 

It came out to 1,263,405KB.
So I'm encoding tonight "The Green Mile", which is 3 hours long.
If that movie fits with the 2-CD template, I'm changing the name from "120 minutes in 2 CD's" to "180 minutes in 2 CD's"
I will encode also with the audio set at 160Khz. To bump up the audio quality a little.

Anyone can try encoding "Superman the movie", which is also around 3 hours, with the 2-CD template? Volunteers?

I'll post results as soon as I have the result. Will encode that tonight.

kwag

XP PROCESSOR OR INTEL
 

KWAG,

I was planning on upgrading my system for faster encoding should I just buy a 2.2 ghz Intel Processor or should I get the latest XP processor, does anyone know which one encodes faster, and also if I use a dual processor setup, would it increase encoding time and if so with which processor would it be faster, intels or xp's, thanks!

Re: XP PROCESSOR OR INTEL
 

A dual processor will be a screamer!. But even a single 2Ghz machine would be great.
Take a look at some prices here.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati..._tlc.asp?id=06

kwag

Kwag,

Noticed another problem with the new template, possibly have to do with the GOP settings. I noticed there are quite a lot of sudden shifting back and forth in brightness level all throughout the encoded movie (Enemy At The Gates) using Windvd. I said it might have to do with the GOP settings because I then re-encoded parts of the movie where this occurs the most obvious using the same kvcdX2 template but with the default vcd GOP setting, 1-5-2 instead of 1-18-3, and I don't see this weird shifting in brightness anymore (but with poorer quality + blocks).

I can see this weird shifting of brightness in one of your sample clips too, just watch it carefully using Windvd, it happens right before the guy says "What was he doing downstairs?" Remember, the change is not huge but noticeable.
http://www.kvcd.net/kvcdx2-short.mpg

Any ideas?

I can see the shift in brightness in the sample, but I also see it in the original DVD. That part is a change of light, because they are in a train.
The movie is "Under Siege 2".

kwag

just for people using the new kdvd templet on cd-rs than burn it as a svcd.

Baker

To everyone:

Thanks to bigbob2 for pointing out this problem with the changes in brightness. The problem was most noticeable in long continuous scenes without scene changes, and low lighted scenes. I was able to duplicate the problem, I saw the effect, and here's what I did to fix it:

Here's what happened. There's a value in TMPEG under the GOP tab, "MAX number of frames in GOP", which defaults to "0". When set like this, TMPEG can make a very long GOP sequence, because the value "0" means "Automatic". So there was no limitations to the number of GOP's. As the I frames go further apart from each other, there is a loss in quality and brightness, and because the GOP was so long, every time a new I frame was re-inserted you would see a brightness increase. I changed this value to 48, meaning that every 48 frames ( about 2 seconds ) TMPEG will always re-insert a new I frame. I also checked the box "No motion search for still picture part by half pixel" under the Quantize Matrix".

So make this two changes to your KVCD and KVCDx2 templates.

The GOP should now read 1-18-3-1-48 instead of 1-18-3-1-0 in the KVCDx2 template and 1-15-3-1-48 in the KVCD template.

Check the "No motion search for still picture part by half pixel" under the Quantize Matrix.

I'll update the templates in the site later today, to reflect this values.

Thanks bigbob2!,
kwag

Wow, what a nice quick fix! Works great now.
Thank you again Kwag! U da man!