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Exactly, how do i go about ripping a dvd to kvcd plus? I like the quality of plus alot more than the original. For this whole time ive only been encoding divx to kvcd, but now im considering buying a dvd-rom drive and was wondering if someone could explain on how to rip a dvd to kvcd plus.

btw, anyone know where i can buy a dvd-rom drive for really cheap in the U.S. California? I found an Artec 16x for $40 (including shipping) was wondering if they get any cheaper then that. Are these Artec drives good?

hi PlaiBoi,

I just bought a generic dvd-rom at Fry's for $50- that was the cheapest one they had and so far it's doing the job! I've never heard of Artec but I'd probably go ahead and get that one.

Check out Sefy's guides ( the link is on the main page)

I rip dvds and encode to KVCD with these tools:
SmartRipper (*.vob)
DVD2AVI (*.d2v)
AviSynth
FitCD (*.avs)
TMPGE 2.54 (*.mpg)

I checked out Sefy's guide, but theres nothing about AviSynth there. What exactly is this? Thanx.

hi kwag,

my "the Matrix" [136 min. 16:9] encode is finished here's my results:

files size- 715,980,800 mb

I didn't change anything in your latest template
here's my avisynth script;

LoadPlugin("C:\ENCODING\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\movies\theMatrix\thMatrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(672,344,0,0,719,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(16,68,16,68)
#Trim(0,196155).FadeOut(150)
#ResampleAudio(44100) # CCE 2.5 'crashfix' for Athlons
## If you want this 'fix' permanently, edit the INI-file:
## Under [AVSscript] set the CCEcrashfix-option to
## CCEcrashfix=1

the audio is out of sync about a fraction of a second but I would'nt be surprised if it was because of my receiver because I always had this problem even when playing the original dvd's.

Now I'm going to try CQ=80 and see what happens
:D

thx
ren

oops sorry kwag, I posted this in the wrong section :oops:

Don't worry. I'll post here too :lol:

Here's my data:

The Matrix ( complete with full credits )

File size 776,732,672

Here's my script:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\THE_MATRIX_16X9LB_N_AMERICA\VIDEO_ TS\matrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
TemporalSmoother(1,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)
#Trim(0,196155).FadeOut(150)
#ResampleAudio(44100) # CCE 2.5 'crashfix' for Athlons
#== If you want this 'fix' permanently, edit the INI-file:
#== Under [AVSscript] set the CCEcrashfix-option to
#== CCEcrashfix=1


My file size is probably larger because I used 1,2 instead of 2,2 in TemporalSmoother function.

I'm very pleased with the results. Personally, after seeing these results, I won't go back to 352x480 8)

kwag

Now I'm going to bed!.
But I'm encoding again "The Matrix" at CQ=60 and the TemporalSmoother at 2,2.
I think CQ above 60 at 704x480 just makes larger files. But the visual quality at 60 is like a DVD.

Let's see the final size tomorrow.

kwag

I re-encoded "the Matrix" at CQ=80 and the final file size is 1,379,532,800 mb

I'm not able to cut it with TMPGe anymore- when I load the file there's a black screen and it says its about 40 sec. long. I'm probably doing something wrong though :?

At CQ=60, with the current template, the file size is 889,454,592.
So I'm encoding one more time at CQ=55 and that should do it!.

Then I'll encode another movie at CQ=55 to see it it falls between the average for a 120 minute size fit.

kwag

Did you play it back! At CQ=80, there shouldn't be any visible difference to the original DVD.

kwag

no I didn't play it back but I previewed the file in VDub and it looked really good-

:D

Well, here's the result of CQ=55.

Final file size is 818,479,104 ( or 799,296 KB in terms of file manager )

So I'm now encoding Undersiege2 with the same values. I think that CQ=55 is going to be it!

If anyone wants to make a CQ of 70 or 80, to put the movie in 2 CD-R's, I suggest encoding with a TMPEG project as two parts.
Then you won't have to cut the final mpeg.

kwag

Kwag,

Questions on AviSynth, Like you I have the Panasonic DVD-Ram, I am currently using the DVD2AVI to set up the VRO file and then run it through TMPGEnc. Question is would running it through AviSynth make any difference in the file size at the end? Second question where can I find a Guide on AviSynth. I don't have a clue on how to use that. I will try your Beta Template tonight on one of my VRO files using my ccurrent mehtod. My original source ids Digital Cable so the picture starts great. Last question, what should I set the TMPGEnc at for FPS? The DVD2AVI is set for Force Film as the default on the VRO file. Many thanks and keep up the good work.

Bud

Hi Bud:
Here's an excelent discussion on AviSynth followed by many links:
http://nickyguides.digital-digest.com/synth-vdub.htm

If you use the TemporalSmoother function, your file will be about 200-300K per minute smaller. Use a value of 1,2 or 2,2 in the function.

DON'T use FORCE FILM when processing the .VRO with DVD2AVI. Use the functions Telecide and Decimate to do the IVTC real-time when you read your .avs script with TMPEG. You need to download the decomb filter for AviSynth. Then you encode with the template and the fps just as it is at 23.976.

Here's another link on IVTC:
http://www.inmatrix.com/articles/ivtcsynth.shtml


kwag

hmm...looks like were talkin about something completely different now...lol.

Anyway...

In sefy's guide it says you can optionally use Force Film, should i use this?

Use FORCE FILM for DVD rips if the material in the DVD is FILM.
Otherwise leave as NONE.

kwag

Forced film, this is when I get into trouble. Everytime I use it, I get a gradual out-of-syncing of the audio. I've searched and tried all the suggestions from vcdhelp but nothing worked. The only thing I haven't tried is to use an older version of DVD2AVI, and this is because I can't find an older version.

This is why I can't exactly follow the kwag templates :cry:

Kwag,

Got all the AVISynth files, see not problems in using, guides were clear, however have a question on Telecide and Decimate. Wher do I find these options? Are they in TMPGEnc or AVISynth? Not sure what the "Script" feature is everyone talks about, a little help on that too. As always many thanks for all your support on this.

Bud

Note to PlaiBoi

Did not change subject just added to the subject.

Kwag

Back again....OK kinda sorta got this to work, was able to create the AVS file and open in VirtulDub, now will TMPGEnc open the AVS file? If so I'm assuming that I would open the WAV as well as the AVS file and run with your template. Still don't understand the Telecide and Decimate process as well as the Decomb. This is gettin' scary, because I'm starting to understand most of it...........thanks.........

Bud

You need to download and put the decomb.dll somewhere.

The functions telecide and decimate are available only when you load that dll.

Here's what an .avs script would look:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encoding\decomb.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\DVD-RIP\movie.d2v")
Telecide(reverse=false,swap=false,firstlast=false, post=true,threshold=15,dthreshold=9,blend=true,chr oma=false,y0=0,y1=0)
Decimate(cycle=5,mode=0,threshold=0)
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)

I would use this if my .d2v project didn't have FORCE FILM when I processed the VOB's with DVD2AVI.

Or if my source was a 29.97fps capture, but the original was shot at 24fps, and I wanted to re-construct the original frame rate.

And if you open your .avs with Vdub, then you open the frame server file that you name ( usually somename.vdr ) with TMPEG. Not the .avs

But you should just open the .avs directly with TMPEG, unless you need subtitles or other features, then you would frameserve through Vdub.

Hope I explained myself :D

kwag

I use DVD2AVI version 1.76. Never had a problem.
Do you preview ( by pressing F5 ) after loading your VOB's to verify that the video is at least 95% FILM, before actually selecting FORCE FILM?

kwag

How can i find out if my movie is NTSC Film or not?

You open your VOB's with DVD2AVI and press F5.
That starts the preview window.
Let it run for about a minute and in the stats window check if it says NTSC or if it says at least 95% FILM.

If it says 95% FILM or more, then you check Forced FILM.
If not, select None.

kwag

Hi Kwag,

I'm still confused as to exactly what FORCE FILM does? Is this an inverse telecine process? Also when do I need to use the IVTC filters in my avisynth script? If I preview the movie and it comes out to 94% film then what should I do?

Sorry about all these questions about this- I read the link you posted about inverse telecine and it makes sense (sort of) but I don't really know about this Force Film thing- the only DVD2AVI manual I could find was in Japanese :?

thx a lot!
ren

Just a question teacher, how do you do a two parts project in tmpgenc? Maybe i try it just to see the quality 8)

Thanks!
DaDe.

Hey DaDe!

It's easy!. Once you get your video/audio loaded and your template, select the start frame as the beginning of the movie and the center of the movie as the end frame, and save the project for example like part1.tpr.

Then go back to your advanced settings and mark the source range start where your end was, and mark the end frame the last frame of the movie.
Save the project as part2.tpr.

Hint:
I usually overlap the second mpeg about 5 seconds into the end of the first mpeg. So when you change your CD, you start 5 seconds early,and helps you keep a better track of the movie. So your second mpeg should start about 115 frames earlier from the end of your first mpeg. Got that! 8O

Now go to File/batch encode and select your two saved projects.
Go drink some cervezas :lol: and when the batch is done, you'll have two mpeg files ready to burn!.
( Easy with the cervezas, or you'll be very drunk by the time the encode is done! )

kwag

I found this in a post by Hakko at the Doom9 forum:

Force FILM is DVD2AVI's way of trying to reverse the telecining process. This is a quite simple function and will therefor fail when there is too much garbage (i.e. NTSC) in the stream. This will present itself in the preview window where the type value will switch between NTSC xx% and FILM yy%.If the final value is FILM at 95% or lower or NTSC at 5% or higher then you will have to use some other method for doing an Inverse Telecine, or IVTC. There are a number of ways of doing this, including using TMPEGEnc, or AVISynth with GreedyHMA, Decomb or IVTC4.

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if anyone is confused about IVTC and DVD2AVI -> force film than this thread is very good reading: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23776

Hi Kwag ! :D

Just a question :

I've used th kvcd2, ( 704X480 ) but i got just a small image in the center of the screen...

Is there something i can do, or my DVD players ( Sony Dav-s300 and Pioneer DV-525 ) cant play it.

Ps: Untill now, the only resolution both can take is 352X240.

Thanks in Adv, man...