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Exactly, how do i go about ripping a dvd to kvcd plus? I like the quality of plus alot more than the original. For this whole time ive only been encoding divx to kvcd, but now im considering buying a dvd-rom drive and was wondering if someone could explain on how to rip a dvd to kvcd plus.

btw, anyone know where i can buy a dvd-rom drive for really cheap in the U.S. California? I found an Artec 16x for $40 (including shipping) was wondering if they get any cheaper then that. Are these Artec drives good?
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hi PlaiBoi,

I just bought a generic dvd-rom at Fry's for $50- that was the cheapest one they had and so far it's doing the job! I've never heard of Artec but I'd probably go ahead and get that one.

Check out Sefy's guides ( the link is on the main page)

I rip dvds and encode to KVCD with these tools:
SmartRipper (*.vob)
DVD2AVI (*.d2v)
AviSynth
FitCD (*.avs)
TMPGE 2.54 (*.mpg)
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I checked out Sefy's guide, but theres nothing about AviSynth there. What exactly is this? Thanx.
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hi kwag,

my "the Matrix" [136 min. 16:9] encode is finished here's my results:

files size- 715,980,800 mb

I didn't change anything in your latest template
here's my avisynth script;

LoadPlugin("C:\ENCODING\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\movies\theMatrix\thMatrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(672,344,0,0,719,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(16,68,16,6
#Trim(0,196155).FadeOut(150)
#ResampleAudio(44100) # CCE 2.5 'crashfix' for Athlons
## If you want this 'fix' permanently, edit the INI-file:
## Under [AVSscript] set the CCEcrashfix-option to
## CCEcrashfix=1

the audio is out of sync about a fraction of a second but I would'nt be surprised if it was because of my receiver because I always had this problem even when playing the original dvd's.

Now I'm going to try CQ=80 and see what happens


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oops sorry kwag, I posted this in the wrong section
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Don't worry. I'll post here too

Here's my data:

The Matrix ( complete with full credits )

File size 776,732,672

Here's my script:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\THE_MATRIX_16X9LB_N_AMERICA\VIDEO_ TS\matrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
TemporalSmoother(1,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)
#Trim(0,196155).FadeOut(150)
#ResampleAudio(44100) # CCE 2.5 'crashfix' for Athlons
#== If you want this 'fix' permanently, edit the INI-file:
#== Under [AVSscript] set the CCEcrashfix-option to
#== CCEcrashfix=1


My file size is probably larger because I used 1,2 instead of 2,2 in TemporalSmoother function.

I'm very pleased with the results. Personally, after seeing these results, I won't go back to 352x480

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Now I'm going to bed!.
But I'm encoding again "The Matrix" at CQ=60 and the TemporalSmoother at 2,2.
I think CQ above 60 at 704x480 just makes larger files. But the visual quality at 60 is like a DVD.

Let's see the final size tomorrow.

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I re-encoded "the Matrix" at CQ=80 and the final file size is 1,379,532,800 mb

I'm not able to cut it with TMPGe anymore- when I load the file there's a black screen and it says its about 40 sec. long. I'm probably doing something wrong though
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At CQ=60, with the current template, the file size is 889,454,592.
So I'm encoding one more time at CQ=55 and that should do it!.

Then I'll encode another movie at CQ=55 to see it it falls between the average for a 120 minute size fit.

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I re-encoded "the Matrix" at CQ=80 and the final file size is 1,379,532,800 mb

I'm not able to cut it with TMPGe anymore- when I load the file there's a black screen and it says its about 40 sec. long. I'm probably doing something wrong though
Did you play it back! At CQ=80, there shouldn't be any visible difference to the original DVD.

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no I didn't play it back but I previewed the file in VDub and it looked really good-

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Well, here's the result of CQ=55.

Final file size is 818,479,104 ( or 799,296 KB in terms of file manager )

So I'm now encoding Undersiege2 with the same values. I think that CQ=55 is going to be it!

If anyone wants to make a CQ of 70 or 80, to put the movie in 2 CD-R's, I suggest encoding with a TMPEG project as two parts.
Then you won't have to cut the final mpeg.

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Kwag,

Questions on AviSynth, Like you I have the Panasonic DVD-Ram, I am currently using the DVD2AVI to set up the VRO file and then run it through TMPGEnc. Question is would running it through AviSynth make any difference in the file size at the end? Second question where can I find a Guide on AviSynth. I don't have a clue on how to use that. I will try your Beta Template tonight on one of my VRO files using my ccurrent mehtod. My original source ids Digital Cable so the picture starts great. Last question, what should I set the TMPGEnc at for FPS? The DVD2AVI is set for Force Film as the default on the VRO file. Many thanks and keep up the good work.

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Kwag,

Questions on AviSynth, Like you I have the Panasonic DVD-Ram, I am currently using the DVD2AVI to set up the VRO file and then run it through TMPGEnc. Question is would running it through AviSynth make any difference in the file size at the end? Second question where can I find a Guide on AviSynth. I don't have a clue on how to use that. I will try your Beta Template tonight on one of my VRO files using my ccurrent mehtod. My original source ids Digital Cable so the picture starts great. Last question, what should I set the TMPGEnc at for FPS? The DVD2AVI is set for Force Film as the default on the VRO file. Many thanks and keep up the good work.

Bud
Hi Bud:
Here's an excelent discussion on AviSynth followed by many links:
http://nickyguides.digital-digest.com/synth-vdub.htm

If you use the TemporalSmoother function, your file will be about 200-300K per minute smaller. Use a value of 1,2 or 2,2 in the function.

DON'T use FORCE FILM when processing the .VRO with DVD2AVI. Use the functions Telecide and Decimate to do the IVTC real-time when you read your .avs script with TMPEG. You need to download the decomb filter for AviSynth. Then you encode with the template and the fps just as it is at 23.976.

Here's another link on IVTC:
http://www.inmatrix.com/articles/ivtcsynth.shtml


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hmm...looks like were talkin about something completely different now...lol.

Anyway...

In sefy's guide it says you can optionally use Force Film, should i use this?
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hmm...looks like were talkin about something completely different now...lol.

Anyway...

In sefy's guide it says you can optionally use Force Film, should i use this?
Use FORCE FILM for DVD rips if the material in the DVD is FILM.
Otherwise leave as NONE.

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Forced film, this is when I get into trouble. Everytime I use it, I get a gradual out-of-syncing of the audio. I've searched and tried all the suggestions from vcdhelp but nothing worked. The only thing I haven't tried is to use an older version of DVD2AVI, and this is because I can't find an older version.

This is why I can't exactly follow the kwag templates
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Kwag,

Got all the AVISynth files, see not problems in using, guides were clear, however have a question on Telecide and Decimate. Wher do I find these options? Are they in TMPGEnc or AVISynth? Not sure what the "Script" feature is everyone talks about, a little help on that too. As always many thanks for all your support on this.

Bud

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Did not change subject just added to the subject.
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Kwag

Back again....OK kinda sorta got this to work, was able to create the AVS file and open in VirtulDub, now will TMPGEnc open the AVS file? If so I'm assuming that I would open the WAV as well as the AVS file and run with your template. Still don't understand the Telecide and Decimate process as well as the Decomb. This is gettin' scary, because I'm starting to understand most of it...........thanks.........

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Kwag

Back again....OK kinda sorta got this to work, was able to create the AVS file and open in VirtulDub, now will TMPGEnc open the AVS file? If so I'm assuming that I would open the WAV as well as the AVS file and run with your template. Still don't understand the Telecide and Decimate process as well as the Decomb. This is gettin' scary, because I'm starting to understand most of it...........thanks.........

Bud
You need to download and put the decomb.dll somewhere.

The functions telecide and decimate are available only when you load that dll.

Here's what an .avs script would look:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encoding\decomb.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\DVD-RIP\movie.d2v")
Telecide(reverse=false,swap=false,firstlast=false, post=true,threshold=15,dthreshold=9,blend=true,chr oma=false,y0=0,y1=0)
Decimate(cycle=5,mode=0,threshold=0)
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)

I would use this if my .d2v project didn't have FORCE FILM when I processed the VOB's with DVD2AVI.

Or if my source was a 29.97fps capture, but the original was shot at 24fps, and I wanted to re-construct the original frame rate.

And if you open your .avs with Vdub, then you open the frame server file that you name ( usually somename.vdr ) with TMPEG. Not the .avs

But you should just open the .avs directly with TMPEG, unless you need subtitles or other features, then you would frameserve through Vdub.

Hope I explained myself

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