Making KVCDs From Scratch - A User's Guide
 

Hi,
As you probably noticed I did a guide to KVCDx2 a while back, but I've now updated the Guide to v1.0 and it includes all new templates as well as using the great tool Moviestacker by Mauddib (thanks mate it's awesome :wink: )
Anyway, in the guide I explain stuff, and add it as I learn it myself.
I don't pretend to be an expert, so my guide is for people who want to learn from scratch.
Any questions about my kvcd guide or programs I use in it, just ask me here, any questions about filters or other stuff ask the experts (mauddib, sansgrip, Kwag etc).


You can download the Zipped (v1.1 and 1.0) version of the word Doc
from this link (thanks Rhino) : http://kvcd.atlanticisle.com/


Sorry I haven't been able to get back as much as I'd like, had problems at home and at work, but anyway...Soon I will be asking Kwag to delete this guide from KVCD net because Im going to be releasing another 'Step by Step guide'.
It will be interactive in the sense that you will do a step before pressing next button and there will be other links to downloads etc for each step....
Im doing it in Swish 2.0 (flash plugin will be required) and it's going to take a while, but I cannot support the version that's now on kvcd.net unfortunately.
Anyway, hopefully the next one will be much easier to follow and it will at least (the 1st version) include MAF scripting, and Headac3e encoding, BRB in a few weeks ;-)

Hopefully I'll support it much better than I did this, sorry to all who had to pm me about problems with the guide and lack of updates. One more thing, this guide won't be gone altogether, it will still be available, and it will be on KVCD pages until the new one is up at least, thanks .

< Hmmm Like that ever came, sorry, well I did do it just never finished when ppl where on dvds :) I'll put links here to the videos I did shortly for nostalgias sake :)

Help
 

Hello all...

I decided to delete all our messages from here, so we can keep it for questions about the guide and programs used in it as of the version in the first post.
Sorry to all last weekend, it was my Birthday and I was very very intoxicated with beer :) - but don't let that put you off from asking any questions regarding the guide and (if possible) any program used that's in it.

Thanks to Jorel & Rhino for the past comments and links :wink:

....
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:D

"...last weekend, it was my Birthday and I was very..."

happy birthday my (our) friend!

sorry for late cos i didn't knew the date! :oops:

and the gift is our...the new guide,
a big gift! thank you.

GOD bless you and are sending happiness and very long days to live!
:D :D :D

Prediciton
 

Hi Red-M

Great guide. These things are just soooo important to beginners and even myself when I have not visited this forum for a while (like a microsecond).

Your file prediction example seems to be based on the old formula when we were doing 100 samples? Correct me if I'm wrong. The Sampler function placed by Moviestacker I thought makes the number of samples equivalent to the number of minutes of the movie (ie 103 in your example). Is it therefore important to only use the formula that is quoted in Moviestacker?

I would suggest also a special mention to checking the resampling to 44.1 khz in Headac3he (assuming it is unchecked in DVD2AVI). It does not default and is a real headache if missed.

Some mention of the DVD2AVI settings (forced film, demux) which Black Prince used in his is useful also.

Great work mate
Cheers
Jeff

Re: Prediciton
 

hehe, know what you mean, it's hard to keep up with stuff here, but it's all good :wink:

Yes, I found the moviestacker wasn't as accurate for me so I just use it for the filters and to save the avs, but if you find the moviestacker Fileprediction works better for you, use that. The thing is, trying all the formula' around I still like the first one best for myself, it just works for me.

Yes, very good idea actually, will update that in the next version.
The reason I never bothered with that in the past is that it works fine on my player at 48Hz and it will work on "most" players that play kvcd anyway, but yea, will include a sentence to make that more clear, thanks.

Yes also a good idea, but think I'll just put a link to black Prince's info on that.

No prob's thanks for the questions, this is the kind of thing I need to make the guide better.


:)

Hi Red-M

Thanks for the quick acknowledgement my friend. Without puting too finer point on this, I may not have been clear in what I was implying. Your guide still uses the function sampler(length=24) in Movietracker to create the test file to which you apply the old formula. However, in your example this would create 103 samples (120 for a 2 hour movie) not 100 so your method will give erroneous results in general although fortuitously close in this test case. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Changing the function to Sampler(100, length=24) in your example should fix this would it not?

Cheers mate
Jeff

..Does anyone know if there is another viable multiplexer alternative for Headache3? Somebody said BeSeet could do it, but I'm not sure.Obviously I can't progress further with KVCD untill this step is resolved. I've never had any luck "assembling" programs with DLLS.

Well the first thing to 'clear up' is that HeadAC3he isn't a multiplexer, it's an audio encoder. HeadAC3he and BeSweet are much better than the TMPGenc audio encoder and you shouldn't give up on them- they're very easy to install :wink: Download the main HeadAC3he program, unzip it with WinRAR 3.0 (or latest version), download the dlls (the ones optimized for your computer's cpu), unzip them and put them in the same directory as the main HeadAC3he directory-- it's that easy. If that doesn't work then just encode the audio with TMPGenc- it's not as good but still is acceptable.

a big "little" tutorial by friendalunit :)

"If that doesn't work then just encode the audio with TMPGenc-
it's not as good but still is acceptable"

yeah but...acceptable is ... boredom!
:roll:

ezysk :wink:
follow "friendalunit"....will be great!

:!:

Which one of you people here, uses the HeadAche3 program....with a PENTIUM 4 ???

Yea, your right, will have to change that in the next update, cheers for pointing that out. :wink:

I do.

I have a question about the guide, why does it have us mux kvcd into svd?? when all kvcd templates are mpeg-1??? surely that would be more fitting for a skvcd guide??

What difference does it make? There are so many settings in a variety of apps with this thing.......that its enough to make your head spin, let alone the dam movie coming out right.

It's a compatibility issue. Some players work fine when muxed as "VCD", and some don't. Most of the times, the ones that don't work muxed as "VCD", work fine when muxed as "SVCD". So the main KVCD muxing format is always MPEG-1 muxed as "VCD, and the second choice is muxed as "SVCD".

-kwag

ah right, well it should say that kwag in the guide maybe red-m should add it in.

Sorry for the delay, thought my thread had died...
:D
About SVCD headers, well....

The latest guide v1.0, tells you how to mux as non standard VCD (not svcd) so don't know which version your looking at, perhaps an old version? Anyway...

I've found that adding SVCD headers makes KVCD more compatible with certain players (check the kvcd compatibility list out, you'll see a lot of "mux as svcd") and I'll be adding the muxing as SVCD to the guide again soon, so watch this space.

Red-M wrote:

"Sorry for the delay, thought my thread had died... "

:lol:

impossible my friend, now you got more than 2800 views!

a guide like this never die!
sometimes need something new but your guide don't need it now.
remains cool, made with steel.
:wink:

update
 

I did the last update to v1.1 of the guide before I re-write it all as a proper web page, it should be on the front page soon.
Additions are the moviestacker screenshot is right & how to add/remove SVCD header information for certain DVD players to work correct.

Cheers :wink:

Thanks Red-M,

Your new guide is now being uploaded :)

Edit: The guide is now online :!:

-kwag

@ Kwag and Red-M

please,
when i'm trying to open the page of the new guide,
the system ask me to download and install the
"vetorial graphics"....i click "yes" and after this
...
post edited,all is ok :!:

strange thing:
why Red-M have only 9 posts?
:? :?

thanks.

edited,
the problem is gone,now is ok,i got all images.

Hi there,
Where is the guide v1.1 written by Red-M please!

Go to www.kvcd.net ( Main Portal ) and look under "Articles".

-kwag

@Red-M:

if I can access the zip file version of this, I'll post it on my website where v1.0 is,

cheers,

where is the download link for the zipped version of the guide?

Zipped
 

The zipped downloadable version will be on the first post in this thread soon.

thanx for getting back lookin forward to it as the html file just wants to download by itself no images, flamin Mirco$oft Word.

v11
 

The Zipped version is on the first post in this thread now, cheers Rhino.

Movie on a single CDR using K(S)VCD help needed
 

I posted something in DVD2SVCD forum but this one is more appropriate I think.

I want to burn my DVD movies on single 80min. CD-R's (My Cyberhome AD-M212 should support it). I've followed the guide and downloaded lots of progs and read through a lot of guides/faq's and forumposts, but was not succesful yet. The most important puzzle for me is that Red-M's the guide doesn't go into the subtitle part. What do I need to get the subtitels on my K(S)VCD ? (with which software and where do I "put it in" the project ?).

Further, I wanted to use the KSVCD 352x576 PAL because I thought that this would result in the best quality. The guide uses KVCD (not SVCD). Isn't it better to use KSVCD ?

I'm also puzzled by the fact that Movistacker doesn't list the correct ksvcd template/preset and if I should these http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....visynth+script Avisynth scripts or follow the guide. Which Avisynth script is best ? Loading the scripts is also a bit of a puzzle....

Lot of newbie questions, sorry. Hope someone can help.

Paulus..

well thats because u don't need to load the template into moviestacker, moviestacker produces avs scripts going by what output res u want and what filters u want to use. just use the moviestacker bit in the guide and change the res to the appropriate res u want and ur set.

Hi andybno1,

Thanks for your reply. OK I follow the moviestacker bit in the guide. The final res is set in TMPG anyway (that's how you should interpret isn't it ?).

Meanwhile I've read in other posts it's best to go for KVCD (and not KSVCD) if I want good quality on only one 80 min CD-R.

But what about the subtitles. I suppose in english speaking countries it's not used as much (or you should like French "art" movies :-)).

Should I use special AVISYNTH script or follow the guide to the letter ?

Thanks for helping........

What I meant was set the res in moviestacker to fit the template u r goin to use in tmpgenc.

I'm havin the same probs, not too sure about subs. When I go to do subs they are normally positioned wrongly on screen and I have to pain stackinly adjust the position.

maybe it help you with subs :

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4439

:wink:

Thank you so much RED-M for this guid.I was a little bit stumped at first when I did the Avs in moviestacker and I kept getting an error in TMPGenc.Finally figured out that I was using DVD2Avi 1.77.3 and not 1.76.Again thanks.
I did a back up of LOTR-TTT,still endoing right,gonna take 20 hours but I fit it onto 3 discs rather than 5 or 6 SVCD's(Was getting the highest quality possible).Very impressive the KVCD template.

No probs, check the first page ;) when I get the latest finished (which could take a few weeks or even more) I'll try to keep at least checking on here once a day, thanks to everyone for helping each other on this guide I written and sorry I couldn't be here often.

Wow, this guide is still here, it looks so bad nowadays now where all ripping crap out of dvds to dvds, nice to see and thanks for keeping it on. I just edited this as I would like to thank Kwag and all you ppl who used this for the good old days and I will tell my grandkids about all this :) Hope everyone is ok and wish you all the best for the future!

Lol. Don't worry, an outdated guide is still a guide. Some will say than VCD are outdated anyway, but new people try them every day :lol:

VCD is never outdated.
If you have some small music clips of 3 min, in 352*288 res, for instance, does it worth it to burn DVD of 2 gigabytes ?
Wether it's old or new, each media has its utility. 8)

I agree with you 100%, jason :)

-kwag

The link to the guide is not working, any help?