DVD2ONE vs KDVD?
 

Using:

DVD Decryptor
DVD2AVI (Force film)
TMPGEnc (KDVD full, latest Optimum AVS for DVD)
Headac3he (MP2, 48000,128)
IfoEdit
Imgtool

As DVD2ONE encode of AOTC (2:20, 16:9) has horizonal lines, will using KDVD at CQ 80-90 produce better copy?

Should I use letterbox() for 16:9 in latest Optimum AVS?

IfoEdit log screen shows 29.97fps, even though KDVD output was 23. Is this ok?

Can I use MP2, 48000 128 in IfoEdit?

Re: DVD2ONE vs KDVD Full Questions
 

With KDVD 720x480, you can fit ~6 hours on a DVD(+-)R at full DVD quality. That's something that just can't be done with any transcoder (DVD2ONE, DVD Shrink, etc.) :wink: If your source is anamorphic, you should also encode 16:9 anamorphic. This way, you retain the original aspect of the DVD. Yes.Yep :)

-kwag

Re: DVD2ONE vs KDVD Full Questions
 

Thanks, Kwag. Your support makes all this enjoyable.


:?: Where do I put Letterbox() in the following script and what Letterbox() parameters should I use? Or, should I use some other filter?

:?: What minimum CQ would you advise for very high quality and is there a maximum effective CQ?

:?: Is GripCrop(720,480) correct?

:?: Would you recommend any other parameter changes to any script lines?

#####AOTC original DVD

LegalClip()
GripCrop( X, Y )
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50)
# SpaceDust() # Optional - for some "not so clean" DVDs.
unfilter(50,50)
temporalsmoother(1,2)
mergechroma(blur(1.58))
mergeluma(blur(0.3))
# Convolution3d or DCTFilter for extreme worse cases.
GripBorders()
LegalClip()

Re: DVD2ONE vs KDVD Full Questions
 

Use MovieStacker. It will take care of the filter ordering automatically.

Quote:

:?: What minimum CQ would you advise for very high quality and is there a maximum effective CQ?

Use file prediction, then look at the sample created, and you decide if the quality is good enough :wink:

Quote:

:?: Is GripCrop(720,480) correct?

Your line should really look like this: GripCrop(720, 480, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=true)

Quote:

:?: Would you recommend any other parameter changes to any script lines?

Maybe this:

That would be the case for a typical Wide Screen movie. If it was a Full Screen, then it would be this:

-kwag

Hi Kwag,
If the source DVD is an Anamorphic and I want to keep it as Anamorphic as well, then why this is the case as you suggested? "Your line should really look like this: GripCrop(720, 480, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=true)". Shouldn't it be---source_anamorphic=true and dest_anamorphic=true???

Yes, but source_anamorphic=true should already be the default detected by GripCrop. So you shouldn't need to specify it.

-kwag

Questions as I progress.
 

:?: In the "Video" tab in TMPGEnc, what should the "Aspect ratio" be? KDVD template sets as "16:9".

:?: In the "Advanced" tab in TMPGEnc, what should "Source aspect ratio" be? KDVD template sets as "4:3 525 line (NTSC, 704x480)".

:?: What should the "Video arrange Method" be. KDVD template sets as "Full screen (keep aspect ratio).

:?: I assume BBMPEG is not needed, as muxing occurs in IfoEdit?

:?: Is there quality increase above 90 CQ.

Video Tab:
If your movie is 16:9 change the setting to 16:9, so in the future if you buy a widescreen TV, it will be compatible. Your current DVD player will automatically configure the 16:9 output to fit on a 4:3 screen. Changing the output to 4:3 under the Video Tab will compress file size and allow you to use a higher CQ, but it will be stretched when viewed on a widescreen TV. (I do not have a widescreen tv to confirm this, but this is what I have read)
Advanced Tab:
Same as above
Video Arrange Method:
You will want this set to Full Screen(keep aspect ratio). If you do not your picture will be stretched on a 4:3 TV.
BBMPEG:
You will not need to do this since IfoEdit asks you to specify the video and audio separately, and does not allow you to add previously muxed mpegs. If you use any other DVD Authoring program they usually need the audio and video muxed before authoring.
Quality Increase:
According to the posts on this website, there is no increase in quality above 90 that is noticeable to the human eye during playback.

:D Great! Your advice matches what I thought the settings should be.

Re: Questions as I progress.
 

If you're using GripFit, you set this to "Full Screen". Not "Full Screen (Keep Aspect)", because GripFit takes care of the correct input aspect.

-kwag

Re: Questions as I progress.
 

:?: "GripFit" means GripCrop() and GripSize() in the script you posted for me?

LegalClip()
GripCrop(720, 480, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50)
unfilter(50,50)
temporalsmoother(1,2)
mergechroma(blur(1.58 ))
mergeluma(blur(0.3))
GripBorders()
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)
LegalClip()

Re: Questions as I progress.
 

Yes :D. GripCrop+GripSize+GripBorders.

-kwag

Kwag and others:

:lol: Thanks for your advice and patience. I really appreciate the aid!

:?: Could I suggest a section for Cartoon DVDs in the "Optimal scripts" section?

NickSteel

That would fall into the same category as "Anime" :roll:

Edit: Just addded a note on the latest script :wink:

-kwag

Why has "Anime" become the standard name for animated movies or shows? Don't kids or adults watch just cartoons anymore? Everything is anime this anime that. :D Pretty soon Disney animated movies will be listed under ANIME.

Re: DVD2ONE vs KDVD Full Questions
 

Using this (Wide screen avs), what settings should I use in TMPGEnc to get correct screen height. No matter how I set aspect ratio and 16:9, the picture, though outstanding, is too tall. On the original DVD, the screen has wide bottom and top borders.

Re: DVD2ONE vs KDVD Full Questions
 

Hi nicksteel,

I assume you are playing back your encoded MPEG on a software player :?:
Have you burned it to DVD-R :?:
If you play back the mpeg you created in WinDVD, it will look taller, because your mpeg is anamorphic. When you burn this to a DVD as 16:9, the aspect will be corrected, and it will look correct on your TV.

-kwag

Re: DVD2ONE vs KDVD Full Questions
 

If I understand correctly, you burned it as SVCD :?:
If that is the case, then you had to encode as:
GripCrop(720, 480, dest_anamorphic=False)
Then it will look correct :)

-kwag

Thanks! That fixed my screen size problem.

Bye the way, what value do I use for DVD+ 4.7GB to establish sample size? For example, I use 800 - MP2 size for SVCD, what do I use for DVD, 4700 - MP2 size or 4380 - MP2 size?

Use (4.3GB - MP2 size) as a safety factor ;)

-kwag

Now trying an anime, having prediction problems.
 

I'm using KDVD DVD full to create an R+ compliant DVD. I am using the following script and setting GOP in TEMPGEnc to 15.

16:9, DVD2AVI ForceFilm

LegalClip()
GripCrop(720, 480, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50)
unfilter(50,50)
temporalsmoother(1,2)
mergechroma(blur(1.58 ))
mergeluma(blur(0.3))
GripBorders()
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)
LegalClip()

My problem is predicting final size of the M2V file. The d2v file in FitCD has 176K frames, runs 122 minutes and Headac3he generates a MP2 file of 200MB.

When I use the prediction formula:

176,000 / 122 / 15 = 96.17
(4,300-200) / 96.17 = 42.633 sample size

Encode sample @ 89 CQ = 42,551

Full encode @ 89 CQ = 2,530,000,000, not approx 4,100,000,000.

Obviously I'm not predicting properly.

Also, is there any quality gain in using Highest Quality (very slow) in TMPGEnc?

Re: Now trying an anime, having prediction problems.
 

The problem is that for that particular movie, you can even raise the CQ to 100, and you will still be under prediction :D. That's KVCD's matrix working in all it's glory :!:
You just won't get any better quality, unless you raise the MAX bit rate, and I doubt you'll see a difference.No. Just leave it on "High Quality".

-kwag

@Kwag..

>> That's KVCD's matrix working in all it's glory

I thought it was refered to as: Q.Matrix or -Notch :?:

Yes, Kwag.. I agree.. it's a great template !! Bar None !!

The Matrix is Bar None!!

-vhelp

Thanks vhelp :D
It took a lot of days and nights to get it to what it is today 8)

-kwag

@Kwag..

well, from one person who's ben there and done it, ..those late nights
and fun trial-n-error encodes.. I know where you're comming from he he..

I'm working w/ it in my VHS projects and I do love how they come out. I
only wish I didn't suffer from the Noise when using an Analog cap card. I
REALLY like the new one I have, and passed all the tests I threw at it, xcept
one. Anyways..

I just got the WS VHS version of Contact (I have the FS VHS, and the
DVD) but this is a hobby of mine (and yours) and as such, having a bunch
of (owned and purchased) copies and doing what we want w/ it is our pleasure,
and challenge.
Anyways.. also got The 6th Day that I wanted to see. I'll try and do
a quick capture and encode and author to CDR this week, using the my
favorite, KDVD.352x480.D1 template of yours !!

Thanks again for your hard work. It's MUCH appreciated.. oh, Bar none!!
hehe..

Later pal.
-vhelp

Hey vhelp,

You might want to play with the STDMedianFilter parameters, specially for your VHS captures :idea: If you peek the spatial values (not the temporal ones), you should get a very good noise/spike reduction from your (VHS) material :!:

-kwag

@Kwag..

lucky for you (ME) their was an older version as well. I'm currently trying
it out now, but I didn't notice anything. I'm using the search here, to see
what values were used. I do read these forums here, and remembered
seeing many of your testings where you include your suggestions. So, I'll
give it a go now. Thanks.

Well, I did an author to CDRW disk, even though you can see the noise, its
only sligte, on my 13" TV, but I must say, that coupled w/ your KDVD
template, it's great looking none-the-less. So far, I love the quality that the
test CDRW is giving me. 8)

Now, let me see what I can do to help the noise out just a little.
-vhelp

pfew!!

I really have to WUSIWYG picSwitch (for .AVI captues) cause it's getting
harder for me to notice anything w/ two pics in vdub, and I'm growing
tired of copying to and saving each pic to scan in picSwitch. But, heck, at
least it's better than juding while using vdub's time-line window !!

I found some settings to try out.. saw Jorel's post here:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....9d69094a86725f
but I still didn't notice anything. I'm loading up picSwitch now..

-vhelp

Re: Now trying an anime, having prediction problems.
 

:?: I assume my prediction formula (using 15 rather than 24) is correct for anime and that the GOP change for KDVD full to 15 is correct for anime?

Also,

:?: When I use IFOEdit to generate VOB's, I am using Authoring from the toolbar. Do I need to do anything else prior to creating image file? I seem to remember seeing a post somewhere that says you have to use IFOUpdate to correct a 3:2 pulldown error in IFOEdit created VOB files.

:?: IFOEdit allows you to save a chapters text file. Is there any way to directly use this file with the 23fps created by DVD2AVI from the original 29fps DVD? I assume the location pointers are different due to the change in fps.

:D I really appreciate all the advice.