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As DVD2ONE encode of AOTC (2:20, 16:9) has horizonal lines, will using KDVD at CQ 80-90 produce better copy?

Should I use letterbox() for 16:9 in latest Optimum AVS?

IfoEdit log screen shows 29.97fps, even though KDVD output was 23. Is this ok?

Can I use MP2, 48000 128 in IfoEdit?
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Originally Posted by nicksteel
Using:

DVD Decryptor
DVD2AVI (Force film)
TMPGEnc (KDVD full, latest Optimum AVS for DVD)
Headac3he (MP2, 48000,12
IfoEdit
Imgtool

As DVD2ONE encode of AOTC (2:20, 16:9) has horizonal lines, will using KDVD at CQ 80-90 produce better copy?
With KDVD 720x480, you can fit ~6 hours on a DVD(+-)R at full DVD quality. That's something that just can't be done with any transcoder (DVD2ONE, DVD Shrink, etc.)
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Should I use letterbox() for 16:9 in latest Optimum AVS?
If your source is anamorphic, you should also encode 16:9 anamorphic. This way, you retain the original aspect of the DVD.
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IfoEdit log screen shows 29.97fps, even though KDVD output was 23. Is this ok?
Yes.
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Can I use MP2, 48000 128 in IfoEdit?
Yep

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Thanks, Kwag. Your support makes all this enjoyable.

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Using:

DVD Decryptor
DVD2AVI (Force film)
TMPGEnc (KDVD full, latest Optimum AVS for DVD)
Headac3he (MP2, 48000,12
IfoEdit
Imgtool

As DVD2ONE encode of AOTC (2:20, 16:9) has horizonal lines, will using KDVD at CQ 80-90 produce better copy?
With KDVD 720x480, you can fit ~6 hours on a DVD(+-)R at full DVD quality. That's something that just can't be done with any transcoder (DVD2ONE, DVD Shrink, etc.)
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Should I use letterbox() for 16:9 in latest Optimum AVS?
If your source is anamorphic, you should also encode 16:9 anamorphic. This way, you retain the original aspect of the DVD.
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IfoEdit log screen shows 29.97fps, even though KDVD output was 23. Is this ok?
Yes.
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Can I use MP2, 48000 128 in IfoEdit?
Yep

-kwag

Where do I put Letterbox() in the following script and what Letterbox() parameters should I use? Or, should I use some other filter?

What minimum CQ would you advise for very high quality and is there a maximum effective CQ?

Is GripCrop(720,480) correct?

Would you recommend any other parameter changes to any script lines?


#####AOTC original DVD

LegalClip()
GripCrop( X, Y )
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50)
# SpaceDust() # Optional - for some "not so clean" DVDs.
unfilter(50,50)
temporalsmoother(1,2)
mergechroma(blur(1.5)
mergeluma(blur(0.3))
# Convolution3d or DCTFilter for extreme worse cases.
GripBorders()
LegalClip()
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04-15-2003, 05:55 PM
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Where do I put Letterbox() in the following script and what Letterbox() parameters should I use? Or, should I use some other filter?
Use MovieStacker. It will take care of the filter ordering automatically.
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What minimum CQ would you advise for very high quality and is there a maximum effective CQ?
Use file prediction, then look at the sample created, and you decide if the quality is good enough
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Is GripCrop(720,480) correct?
Your line should really look like this: GripCrop(720, 480, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=true)
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Would you recommend any other parameter changes to any script lines?
Maybe this:

Code:
LegalClip() 
GripCrop(720, 480, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize") 
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50) 
unfilter(50,50) 
temporalsmoother(1,2) 
mergechroma(blur(1.58 )) 
mergeluma(blur(0.3)) 
GripBorders() 
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)
LegalClip()
That would be the case for a typical Wide Screen movie. If it was a Full Screen, then it would be this:

Code:
LegalClip() 
GripCrop(720, 480, overscan=2, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize") 
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50) 
unfilter(50,50) 
temporalsmoother(1,2) 
mergechroma(blur(1.58 )) 
mergeluma(blur(0.3)) 
GripBorders() 
LegalClip()
-kwag
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04-15-2003, 11:05 PM
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Hi Kwag,
If the source DVD is an Anamorphic and I want to keep it as Anamorphic as well, then why this is the case as you suggested? "Your line should really look like this: GripCrop(720, 480, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=true)". Shouldn't it be---source_anamorphic=true and dest_anamorphic=true???
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Yes, but source_anamorphic=true should already be the default detected by GripCrop. So you shouldn't need to specify it.

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In the "Video" tab in TMPGEnc, what should the "Aspect ratio" be? KDVD template sets as "16:9".

In the "Advanced" tab in TMPGEnc, what should "Source aspect ratio" be? KDVD template sets as "4:3 525 line (NTSC, 704x480)".

What should the "Video arrange Method" be. KDVD template sets as "Full screen (keep aspect ratio).

I assume BBMPEG is not needed, as muxing occurs in IfoEdit?

Is there quality increase above 90 CQ.
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04-16-2003, 08:12 AM
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Video Tab:
If your movie is 16:9 change the setting to 16:9, so in the future if you buy a widescreen TV, it will be compatible. Your current DVD player will automatically configure the 16:9 output to fit on a 4:3 screen. Changing the output to 4:3 under the Video Tab will compress file size and allow you to use a higher CQ, but it will be stretched when viewed on a widescreen TV. (I do not have a widescreen tv to confirm this, but this is what I have read)
Advanced Tab:
Same as above
Video Arrange Method:
You will want this set to Full Screen(keep aspect ratio). If you do not your picture will be stretched on a 4:3 TV.
BBMPEG:
You will not need to do this since IfoEdit asks you to specify the video and audio separately, and does not allow you to add previously muxed mpegs. If you use any other DVD Authoring program they usually need the audio and video muxed before authoring.
Quality Increase:
According to the posts on this website, there is no increase in quality above 90 that is noticeable to the human eye during playback.
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04-16-2003, 08:15 AM
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Great! Your advice matches what I thought the settings should be.
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What should the "Video arrange Method" be. KDVD template sets as "Full screen (keep aspect ratio).
If you're using GripFit, you set this to "Full Screen". Not "Full Screen (Keep Aspect)", because GripFit takes care of the correct input aspect.

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What should the "Video arrange Method" be. KDVD template sets as "Full screen (keep aspect ratio).
If you're using GripFit, you set this to "Full Screen". Not "Full Screen (Keep Aspect)", because GripFit takes care of the correct input aspect.

-kwag
"GripFit" means GripCrop() and GripSize() in the script you posted for me?

LegalClip()
GripCrop(720, 480, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50)
unfilter(50,50)
temporalsmoother(1,2)
mergechroma(blur(1.58 ))
mergeluma(blur(0.3))
GripBorders()
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)
LegalClip()
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04-16-2003, 10:13 AM
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"GripFit" means GripCrop() and GripSize() in the script you posted for me?
Yes . GripCrop+GripSize+GripBorders.

-kwag
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04-16-2003, 10:36 AM
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Kwag and others:

Thanks for your advice and patience. I really appreciate the aid!

Could I suggest a section for Cartoon DVDs in the "Optimal scripts" section?

NickSteel
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04-16-2003, 10:39 AM
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Could I suggest a section for Cartoon DVDs in the "Optimal scripts" section?
That would fall into the same category as "Anime"

Edit: Just addded a note on the latest script

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Why has "Anime" become the standard name for animated movies or shows? Don't kids or adults watch just cartoons anymore? Everything is anime this anime that. Pretty soon Disney animated movies will be listed under ANIME.
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Where do I put Letterbox() in the following script and what Letterbox() parameters should I use? Or, should I use some other filter?
Use MovieStacker. It will take care of the filter ordering automatically.
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What minimum CQ would you advise for very high quality and is there a maximum effective CQ?
Use file prediction, then look at the sample created, and you decide if the quality is good enough
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Is GripCrop(720,480) correct?
Your line should really look like this: GripCrop(720, 480, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=true)
Quote:

Would you recommend any other parameter changes to any script lines?
Maybe this:

Code:
LegalClip() 
GripCrop(720, 480, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize") 
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50) 
unfilter(50,50) 
temporalsmoother(1,2) 
mergechroma(blur(1.58 )) 
mergeluma(blur(0.3)) 
GripBorders() 
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)
LegalClip()
That would be the case for a typical Wide Screen movie. If it was a Full Screen, then it would be this:

Code:
LegalClip() 
GripCrop(720, 480, overscan=2, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize") 
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 0, 0, 10, 50) 
unfilter(50,50) 
temporalsmoother(1,2) 
mergechroma(blur(1.58 )) 
mergeluma(blur(0.3)) 
GripBorders() 
LegalClip()
-kwag
Using this (Wide screen avs), what settings should I use in TMPGEnc to get correct screen height. No matter how I set aspect ratio and 16:9, the picture, though outstanding, is too tall. On the original DVD, the screen has wide bottom and top borders.
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Using this (Wide screen avs), what settings should I use in TMPGEnc to get correct screen height. No matter how I set aspect ratio and 16:9, the picture, though outstanding, is too tall. On the original DVD, the screen has wide bottom and top borders.
Hi nicksteel,

I assume you are playing back your encoded MPEG on a software player
Have you burned it to DVD-R
If you play back the mpeg you created in WinDVD, it will look taller, because your mpeg is anamorphic. When you burn this to a DVD as 16:9, the aspect will be corrected, and it will look correct on your TV.

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Using this (Wide screen avs), what settings should I use in TMPGEnc to get correct screen height. No matter how I set aspect ratio and 16:9, the picture, though outstanding, is too tall. On the original DVD, the screen has wide bottom and top borders.
Hi nicksteel,

I assume you are playing back your encoded MPEG on a software player
Have you burned it to DVD-R
If you play back the mpeg you created in WinDVD, it will look taller, because your mpeg is anamorphic. When you burn this to a DVD as 16:9, the aspect will be corrected, and it will look correct on your TV.

Sorry, I didn't explain properly. The DVD looks perfect, in fact, identical to the original. (More praise for KDVD!) I was also trying to encode for SVCD (2 disks, 1600-MP2) with same avs file. The picture SVCD is excellent, sound excellent, but the picture is taller than the DVD. The KDVD template with SVCD plays perfectly on my CyberHome and Apex players except for the height, so I want to use it in lieu of KVCD.
-kwag
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If I understand correctly, you burned it as SVCD
If that is the case, then you had to encode as:
GripCrop(720, 480, dest_anamorphic=False)
Then it will look correct

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Thanks! That fixed my screen size problem.

Bye the way, what value do I use for DVD+ 4.7GB to establish sample size? For example, I use 800 - MP2 size for SVCD, what do I use for DVD, 4700 - MP2 size or 4380 - MP2 size?
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