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kwag 12-17-2004 05:29 PM

It was a coincidence :)
I just did another movie and it took 8 cycles.
So CQ in TMPEG remains non-linear.

-kwag

kwag 12-18-2004 11:20 AM

CalcuMatic 1.1.12
 
Small bug fixed. Download at top of this thread, or here: http://up1.fastuploads.info/CalcuMatic-1.1.12.exe.zip

Fix:
When selecting an audio bitratrate on audio streams #2, #3 or #4, the audio stream would jump from 0 to 1, and when you moved the mouse, it would fall back to zero.
This was really a cosmetic fix, as the three extra channels always stay at "0" number of streams, so the user is forced to select how many streams he/she wants.
Only audio channel #1 has a MIN value of 1.

Thanks again to rds_correia for pointing this out ;)

-kwag

animatron 12-24-2004 12:16 AM

Hi guys :)
I have question. Actually, I told someone at vcdhelp that I would ask here, before giving him download links.
So, can I give the download links of cqmatic and calcumatic to someone at vcdhelp.com?
Someone PM'ed me there, and I told him I would ask here before giving out information.
The person is very skeptical about registering here, so I guess if he sees the programs, then he will get a better feeling of what this site is all about.

Thanks,
-Andy

rds_correia 12-24-2004 07:15 AM

Hi Animatron :)
Welcome to the forum.
No way :!:
If those guys at vcdhelp, or wherever, want any of the tools that we have developped here inside the forum, let them register here.
Then they'll be able to download these tools and they'll be able to see the quality achieved using our methods.
It's just a question of showing to as many people as possible the quality in a KVCD/KDVD 8).
You know, there are a "few" that try to stop many from seeing other horizons.
I have seen that happening too many times at vcdhelp :roll:.
I say, let them come here and check for themselves ;-)
Anyway, that's just my oppinion.
Merry Xmas to us all.
Cheers

phuquehair 12-27-2004 08:00 PM

CQMATIC Stream Format Error
 
I must be doing something wrong. I have tried to use CQMATIC1.4 along with Calumatic1.1.13 and everything seems ok and looks like I think it should, but when i click on execute, I get a invalid stream format error. I am running TMPGENC2.5.21 with 352x240 reolution kvcd template and trying it with a d2v file as a source. please tell me what I am doing wrong. It looks like a wonderful adon for TMPGENC. Actually just what I was looking for so I really want to resolve this issue. TIA:)

kwag 12-27-2004 08:04 PM

Hi phuquehair,

Make sure you are saving the TMPEG project as "text".
Also, make sure that after you save the project, you can click on TMPEG's "Start" button, and actually see the encoder process.
If you get the same error, it means you have a problem in your source.

-kwag

phuquehair 12-27-2004 11:38 PM

Thanx 4 replying so quickly Kwag. Well I can use tmpgenc with my own settings fine. I also have saved the project as text. When I load the project in cdmatic it seems fine all the way till i click on execute. That is when the program flashes on and off the screen and the progress bar for full encode begins to go from left to right. It then gives me the error message for invalid stream format and tmpgenc opens and begins to run with my own personal cq settings that were set previous to using the CQmatic application. Is it that CQMATIC is unfamiliar with d2v files? Are my settings for MUX OVERHEAD in CalcuMAtic incorrect? Should I be running prediction only first? Am I doing something wrong with the way I am saving my TEXT file (like was I supposed to clear all setttings in TMPGENC and only have audio and video streams input into the project and nothing else)?

rds_correia 12-28-2004 03:05 AM

No, TMPGEnc is perfectly able to read d2v source files.
Try opening TMPGEnc.
Open your *.d2v source on it.
Press the start button.
Does it show the same error message?
If it does, go to the "Option>Environmental setting..." menu and choose the "VFAPI plug-in" option.
A child window should appear.
Check that your "DVD2AVI Project File Reader 1.7x" does not say "The file cannot be loaded.".
If it is, you have a problem with your DVD2AVI instalation.
If you're loading a file that is not a *.d2v source, say a *.avs source, then it's up to Readavs to deal with it.
Then check that on the same TMPGEnc child window, the entry for ReadAVS.dll does not say "The file cannot be loaded.".
If it does, then you have a Readavs.dll instalation problem.
Be so kind to check these first, and tell us your results.
We'll keep on helping further on ;-).
Cheers

phuquehair 12-28-2004 07:19 AM

TMPGENC reads the d2v fine. As I said, I can run TMPGENC perfectly with my own settings. What I am having problem with is the CQMATIC application. I am using it to start TMPGENC anf it is not working correctly. The error I am getting is a CQMATIC errot and not a TMPGENC errot I believe.

incredible 12-28-2004 08:28 AM

Karl, please check the comboboxgadget heights in CQmatic of the audio bitrate dropdowns ;) as the drop down lists do not work- selcting bitrates via mousewheel works.

:)

kwag 12-28-2004 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incredible
Karl, please check the comboboxgadget heights in CQmatic of the audio bitrate dropdowns ;) as the drop down lists do not work- selcting bitrates via mousewheel works.

:)

You mean CalcuMatic right?
It works fine here :!:
Are you using the latest version, 1.1.13 :?:

-kwag

rds_correia 12-28-2004 09:14 AM

Yep :)
1.1.13 is working fine here too.
Maybe a WinXP needing a reboot, Andrej ;-).
Cheers

incredible 12-28-2004 09:37 AM

Yep *pong*
I meant CalcuMatic *lol ------ 1.1.13 !

The DropDownmenue of the "Target" works well, but not of the AudioX BitrateSettings!

Im not on my Machine now, but on the one of my Girlfriend, she gots an old non SSE capable AMD Athlon (1000mhz???) or so similair. Running Windows2000 Server (an old PC from her Office). MAybe thats the guilty one?

rds_correia 12-28-2004 10:17 AM

Hi Andrej :)
I'm on my home PC with Calcumatic 1.1.13 and I gotta tell you: all the Audio X combo-boxes are working fine :?
Maybe some veeeery outdated graphics card drivers :?:
It's a long shot, but I've seen it happen, long time ago.
That happent on the early Nvidia RIVA128 (pre-TNT/TNT2) drivers some years ago.
Many tool's combo-boxes wouldn't work properly.
Other than that, I gotta say everything looks ok on Calcumatic.
Cheers

phuquehair 12-28-2004 04:14 PM

CQMATIC CalcuMatic CRAPOLACTIC
 
I have been encoding kvcd for a little while and have gotten pretty damn good at it with TMPGENC. I had nmo problems with encoding xvid or d2v or any other source for that matter. I tried CQMATIC along with CalcuMatic thinhking it would end the setup for a good cq setting which seems to need changing and a few test runs b4 final encode. I first tried with a d2v file which gave me an errot every time saying INVALID STREAM FORMAT. I have no problem using TMPGENC with d2v files i want to say again. I gave up after many tries. I then tried it with an xvid. It seemed to work perfectly. I set it for a filesize of 800 mb thinking that with even 2% being off it would stilll end up within guidelines to burn with nero. Absolutely not. The filesize looked like it may be fine all the way up till the end when i got a final size of 839 mb. Well if anyone knows why any of this is happening please let me know. i would really like to get to the bottom of it and be able to use these apps.

rds_correia 12-28-2004 04:25 PM

Hmmm, Calcumatic/CQMatic and TMPGEnc were built with MPEG1- and MPEG-2 in mind.
You're trying XviD which is MPEG-4.
Don't know but Kwag may have more to say about it.
As to the problems you have with MPEG-1/2 using CQMatic and TMPGEnc, I have to say it is very weird.
We've had cases with other users that sisn't save the project file in text mode by using the small combo box that comes up in the "save as" window.
Are you 100% sure you checked that?
Cheers

EDIT: of couse you did. If you're using CQMatic 1.4.00 you have to load a text project or else it shows an error message.

kwag 12-28-2004 05:38 PM

@phuquehair,

Make sure you have cleared "Source Range" in TMPEG.
Go to the settings, click on "Default" on the advanced tab under Source Range, press "OK", and then "uncheck" source range and press "OK", then save your .tpr project as text.

-kwag

phuquehair 12-29-2004 02:21 PM

I don't know where u find "default" as something to click but i do have source range unchecked. I also had project saved as txt. It must be txt or cqmatic will not even load it. +

kwag 12-29-2004 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phuquehair
I don't know where u find "default" as something to click

Run TMPEG. Click on "Settings" button. Click on "Advanced tab". Double click on "Source Range". Then you'll see the "Default" button there. Click on it, and click "OK"
Then "Uncheck" source range, and click "Ok". Now save your project as text.

Note: When you are in source range, you should also check that on the "Cut Editing" button, the "Reset Cut Editing" is grayed out. If not, click on it to clear the range.

-kwag

rds_correia 12-29-2004 03:39 PM

And you can avoid all that trouble by pressing CTRL+N, that is start a new project ;-).
Of course, you'll have to create all your project again and save it as text project again too :?
Cheers

kwag 12-29-2004 08:03 PM

CQMatic 1.4.01
 
I hope you all have good results as I've had with this update ;)

http://www.kvcd.net/downloads/CQMatic-1.4.01.exe

Changes:
There's now a 10 "quick step" calibration routine, prior to the prediction phases.
What this does is it figures out compression ratio from linear encoding to random encoding, which varies depending on source (frame rate/resolution/GOP, etc.) and sets internal values accordingly.
The result should be even higher precision than version 1.4.00

-kwag

Dialhot 12-30-2004 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incredible
The DropDownmenue of the "Target" works well, but not of the AudioX BitrateSettings!

I want to confirm that ! The dropdown does not work on my laptop with Win2000 SP4. They works fine on the PC with XP SP1.

kwag 01-02-2005 10:36 AM

Hi Phil (and all!),

Try version 1.4.02 which I compiled with NT4 support.
Maybe that will now work on 2000. Not sure, though.
Also, your wish came true, about automatically minimizing the encoder on each run ;)
Note: You will always see the encoder window pop-up, but it will immediately be sent to the task bar if you set the option: "Minimize on run"

Also, you can select/deselect the option during runs, so if you want to see the encoder up all the time, even after you started a prediction, you don't have to start the process again :)
That's why the option is not grayed out during the complete process.
Play with it ;)

http://www.kvcd.net/downloads/CQMatic-1.4.02.exe

Enjoy,
-kwag

Dialhot 01-02-2005 01:45 PM

Karl ? It's Calcumatic that does not worK.

Do you see dropdown in CQMatic ? :-)

kwag 01-02-2005 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Karl ? It's Calcumatic that does not worK.

Do you see dropdown in CQMatic ? :-)

I still have some beer to drain from end of year Phil :lol:

Re-download CalcuMatic again, and see if it works.
It's fine here.
http://www.kvcd.net/downloads/CalcuMatic-1.1.13.exe

-kwag

Krassi 01-02-2005 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Also, you can select/deselect the option during runs, so if you want to see the encoder up all the time, even after you started a prediction, you don't have to start the process again :)

Hi Karl,
great, just great :!:
So far i've only done one video and the final size was only slightly different from calculated size. I've tested a problematic capture.
Thumbs up :!: :bowdown:
Thanks :D

Krassi

kwag 01-02-2005 04:50 PM

Thanks Krassi :D
I'm working on CQMatic 1.4.03 right now, where you don't even see TMPEG at all :!:
It runs and I quickly stuff it down on the task bar, before you can even see it blink :lol:
Of course, you still have the option to maximize it if you want, but you won't (shouldn't) even see it blink when it's launched :cool:
I'll be releasing that later today. Running some final tests now.

-kwag

Dialhot 01-02-2005 05:15 PM

Sorry Karl, problem still present in Calcumatic.

kwag 01-02-2005 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Sorry Karl, problem still present in Calcumatic.

Let me give it a try on a notebook I have, running Win2k.

-kwag

kwag 01-02-2005 05:55 PM

Grab it Phil ;)
http://www.kvcd.net/downloads/CalcuMatic-1.1.14.exe

-kwag

Dialhot 01-02-2005 06:12 PM

It's working :-)
:ole:

kwag 01-02-2005 06:26 PM

:lol:

Now grab this.
http://www.kvcd.net/downloads/CQMatic-1.4.03.exe

You shouldn't see ANY "blinks" now when the encoder starts.
Maybe one, when the first calibration cycle starts. That's it :!:
The rest of the time, it will be sticked on the taskbar :)
Let me know how it works ;)

Edit: When CQMatic has finished prediction, then the encoder will be visible showing that it's on full encoding.
That way you know when prediction has ended and full encoding is in progress.


Edit 2:
About the blink, well, you'll still see it once in a while. There's not much that can be done, because every time TMPEG starts, I try to grab it as quickly as I can, and minimize it. Unless your machine is extremely fast, there's the chance that the encoder runs just before I "catch" it to minimize it, so you'll still see that blink and probably loose focus of your active window.
Still beats having to manually minimize it every time.

-kwag

kwag 01-03-2005 05:52 PM

CQMatic version 1.4.04 out.
 
Changes:

When prediction phase ends, it now encodes and leaves a small sample at the final CQ value, the same value that will be used for the full encode.
This way you can preview the quality of the sample, and see how the complete movie will look like after the full encode is done.

http://www.kvcd.net/downloads/CQMatic-1.4.04.exe

-kwag

Dialhot 01-03-2005 06:31 PM

thank you karl.

rds_correia 01-04-2005 01:33 AM

Many thanks Karl :D

kwag 01-04-2005 08:51 AM

Because this thread is causing problems, some times we see the last page, sometimes we don't, I'm starting another thread with the same name and "Continued..." on the subject.
There's something wrong in the database in this particular thread, and I don't know where it is. So we'll just start a new page.

This thead continues here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15437

-kwag


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