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kwag 08-26-2003 09:55 AM

Re: CalcuMatic 1.0.4 released!
 
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Originally Posted by mistermickster
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Originally Posted by kwag
New feature: Added "Source" button to open .d2v files. Will automatically set minutes and seconds of movie.

Can't see the "Source" button!! :?

It's right on top of the "Minutes" :!: 8O
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Will the values calculated in CalcuMatic be passed back to CQMatic? :D
Nope. Maybe in a future release.

-kwag

kwag 08-26-2003 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Wo
KwaG: just gave cqmatic 1.2.00 a whirl and my only question is what happened to the sample file after prediction?

Nothing has changed, regarding the sample 8O
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There used to always be a movie.m1v.sample file created if I set it to Prediction Only, but now it doesn't appear to exist in the source directory. Just wondering!
It's there :!:
I've just tested a "Prediction only" run, and my sample is there. It never fails :!:
Unless, for some strange reason in your machine, the current .m1v encoded file can't be renamed to "YourFile.m1v.sample" :roll:

-kwag

J-Wo 08-26-2003 10:04 PM

sorry kwag my mistake! I tried to delete my post cause I figured out what was wrong minutes after I sent it, but damnit you're too quick! I often forget that when you load an avs file in tmpgenc, the destination folder corresponds to the location of your LAST created mpg, not your new one. So my samples were in another folder, that was all... :oops:

kwag 08-26-2003 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Wo
sorry kwag my mistake! I tried to delete my post cause I figured out what was wrong minutes after I sent it, but damnit you're too quick!

I was wondering, what had happened to your post :lol:

-kwag

MrTibs 08-27-2003 02:10 AM

Sorry I've been so late in my reply but work got nuts.

Some of you may remember that I was trying to use CQMatic with my analog capture but was getting very strange results. (i.e. a final CQ at 1.5)

I did some more testing with CQMatic and my Huffy source. It seems that Huffy is not the problem. It appears that PixieDust is the problem. I would guess that Pixie loads multiple frames for temporal filtering and thus...gets in the way of CQ's frame access. Many more tests need to be done but I suspect I found the culprit.

Bummer...

kwag 08-27-2003 02:38 AM

Thanks for that finding MrTibs :D

-kwag

kwag 08-27-2003 09:25 PM

CalcuMatic update to 1.0.5!
 
http://www.kvcd.net/CalcuMatic.exe
Added:
Support for the following type of files:

.d2v, .avi, .m1v, .m2v, .mpg, .mpeg
So by clicking on the "Source" button, and opening any one of these type of files, the minutes and seconds are calculated from the media.

Edit: Undocumented :!: :cool:
Calcumatic will also open .mp2 and VOB files, if you enter "*" on filename, so you can see all files in the directory. :)

Enjoy ;)
kwag

jorel 08-27-2003 10:08 PM

8O

yesterday was a program,
today is magic!
:o

:D
thanks professor!

kwag 08-27-2003 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jorel
8O

yesterday was a program,
today is magic!
:o

:D
thanks professor!

:lol: thanks :!:
Have fun :cool:

-kwag

totonho03 08-27-2003 10:23 PM

Manana
 
Kwag:
What is in the store for tomorrow? Faster encoding? :D
Just kidding, .............well, may be not..........

Thank you for your programs and help.

Totonho03

kwag 08-27-2003 10:34 PM

Re: Manana
 
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Originally Posted by totonho03
Kwag:
What is in the store for tomorrow? Faster encoding? :D

120 minutes of High Definition (HD-KVCD) MPEG-2 on one 210MB CD-R 8O :!:
Just kidding :mrgreen: :rotf:
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Just kidding, .............well, may be not..........

Thank you for your programs and help.

Totonho03
We'll see what tomorrow will bring :cool: :D

Thanks,
-kwag

rhino 08-28-2003 10:40 AM

Any chance Calcumatic can put in the appropriate details into cqmatic - that would save half a doze keystrokes:D

Cheers,

kwag 08-28-2003 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rhino
Any chance Calcumatic can put in the appropriate details into cqmatic - that would save half a doze keystrokes:D

That would be less exercise for your fingers :mrgreen:
I had thought about that a while ago, but I think CalcuMatic is now a (fast growing!) separate standalone program for many purposes. I believe it will grow much more that what it currently is, and probably outlive CQMatic, because it is not tied directly to CQMatic in any way. :cool:

-kwag

nininbert 08-28-2003 03:39 PM

am i alone?
when i run cqmatic anf if my project in tmpeg was clean i can see all the frame in the tmpeg windows during the encode. but when cqmatic make the second pass with a different cq , i can't see the frame in tmpeg windows and the .m1v file is totaly black and the cq is wrong
what is the solution?
thanks

kwag 08-28-2003 03:43 PM

Hi nininbert,

Never seen this before. Try another source :!:

-kwag

rds_correia 08-29-2003 05:14 AM

Hi Guys,
I feel this is it.
Kwag has developed the ultimate prediction tool for all kind of media you can find.
Now, I see that a lot of guys here (in Portugal) are having trouble on their first approach to CQMatic.
Since you guys are preparing a userguide in English I would be very proud to give my contribute on making it's translation to Portuguese.
Thanks.

:roll: Kwag: I think it would be great to have that button on the CalcuMatic to transfer the calculations into CQMatic. That would be a lot less confusing for the guys.

kwag 08-29-2003 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rds_correia
:roll: Kwag: I think it would be great to have that button on the CalcuMatic to transfer the calculations into CQMatic. That would be a lot less confusing for the guys.

I understand your point, but that would tie CalcuMatic to work with CQMatic, and that's exactly what I don't want :D
I want the products to be separate.
This way, CalcuMatic can be used "standalone" with any encoder, and not necessarily TMPEG. This opens up more doors for CalcuMatic. Anyway, is it too much trouble to enter "2" values from CalcuMatic into CQMatic :?: I don't think so ;)

-kwag

J-Wo 08-29-2003 12:30 PM

Here's a suggestion for calcumatic. In addition to being able to open d2v, avi, mpg, etc files, how about loading avs and/or tpr files? Sometimes I use the trim() function to cut out portions of my video, so the entire source movie length does not reflect what I want to encode. Of course the workaround is to simply entire it in manually yourself but this is just a thought!

mistermickster 09-15-2003 06:06 AM

Hi Kwag & co,

Ran my first prediction test yesterday, Matrix for 2 CD's, very impressed with output received, even using NO filters! :)

CQMatic gave me a final CQ of 82.19, I have a question though.

What is to stop me from now using that CQ value and running TMPGEnc manually, so that I can encode with audio using tooLame?

I ask that as I am having problems getting HeadAC3he to run.

Thnx in advance.

Dialhot 09-15-2003 06:13 AM

You can also use Besweet that have a graphical interface (called BesweetGui). The things are esier with it. But you can of course do the job manually using toolame text command line.

kwag 09-15-2003 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mistermickster

What is to stop me from now using that CQ value and running TMPGEnc manually, so that I can encode with audio using tooLame?

Nothing stops you :D
Use CQMatic in "Prediction" only, and once you get your CQ, run TMPEG and add your audio and encode video/audio simultaneously. When TMPEG is done, you'll have your .mpg ready :)

-kwag

Dialhot 09-15-2003 11:04 AM

Do I read right ? Kwag, you suggest to encode audio with TMPGenc ?
How much beers did you drink today ? :-)

mistermickster 09-16-2003 03:26 AM

Dialhot,

I would be using tooLame for audio encoding, not TMPGEnc! :wink:

Unfortunately, I need to amend my settings and run another test as my DVD player will not play the resulting sample, it's displays all green. Is that a resolution issue?

nicksteel 09-16-2003 07:34 AM

I attempted to use Toolame some time ago within TMPGEnc. Final would play ok on computer, but no audio with DVD player. This was using TMPGEnc wizard for NTSC with 44.1 file from Headac3he to make compliant VCD.

kwag 09-16-2003 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
Do I read right ? Kwag, you suggest to encode audio with TMPGenc ?

Only if you use an external encoder ;) ( like SCMPX, etc. )
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How much beers did you drink today ? :-)
Not as many as you did. Read original post :twisted: :lol:

-kwag

mistermickster 09-17-2003 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mistermickster
Unfortunately, I need to amend my settings and run another test as my DVD player will not play the resulting sample, it's displays all green. Is that a resolution issue?

Tried a different resolution last night, 720x576 (I'm in PAL land), still got a good CQ and the picture looked excellent on my PC. But it still would not play on my Alba DVD119. :cry:

Maybe it just doesn't play non-compliant VCD's and I'll have to switch to MPEG-2.

I remember seeing a file to download which contained samples at all resolutions, but I can't remember where. :( Can somebody jog my memory please?

kwag 09-17-2003 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mistermickster
I remember seeing a file to download which contained samples at all resolutions, but I can't remember where. :( Can somebody jog my memory please?

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2464

-kwag

mistermickster 09-18-2003 02:57 AM

Thnx Kwag :D

I'll give it a try as soon as I get Nero :!:

In the meantime, I've made a sample that successfully runs on my DVD player. :D

MPEG-1 at standard resolution 352x288, but with a bitrate of 1481 and a CQ of 89. Result's pretty good, still cannot see a difference between sample using MA script and the one that isn't though. :?

Starting to test MPEG-2 resolutions now to see which play and which don't.

I'll keep you all posted.

cweb 09-22-2003 08:25 AM

Hi, normally I would encode 2 episodes of a 45 minute show e.g. Smallville which I record from digital satellite into KVCD (352x576 resolution) (with 128 audio or 160 bitrate) and they fit on a single 80m CD. NB: I'm using PAL.

Now I've tried to use CQMATIC to encode an episode into KVCDx3 (544x576 MPEG-1 which works with my dvd player) instead but to give me the same size. I don't know if it was a silly idea but the result looked quite good except for some moving backgrounds in one scene. Basically I was trying to get a result which was better than the baseline KVCD - between KVCD and KVCDx3 and still fit.

The resulting CQ for the ep I did was about 56. I'll be trying again tonight, hopefully with another episode. The avisynth script is a custom one but I'm using Convolution3D (latest version) and the combination of stmedianfilter,mergechroma,mergeluma from Kwag's script. I also use DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,.5,0) - just a little.

Edit: I've realised that I was filtering too much. So I'll either do stmedianfilter or Conv3D from this point on..

onyx 09-23-2003 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nininbert
am i alone?
when i run cqmatic anf if my project in tmpeg was clean i can see all the frame in the tmpeg windows during the encode. but when cqmatic make the second pass with a different cq , i can't see the frame in tmpeg windows and the .m1v file is totaly black and the cq is wrong
what is the solution?
thanks

hello, newbie here. i experienced the same with nininbert when encoding Finding Nemo. Second pass is totally black in tmpgenc's preview window. by the way, i have a silly question. why do you guys bother to use prediction with CQ when file-size can be perfectly predicted using tmpgenc's 2-pass VBR? is CQ better than 2-pass VBR? And why does KVCD uses 128kbps audio that is Dual Channel? Isn't Joint Stereo better for this bitrate? Here's something i learned from this website: http://www.modatic.net/audio/glossary.php#dualchannel

"Dual Channel -This is the same as stereo except that it fixes the bandwidth to each channel. eg. with a 128Kbit/s file, each channel will have exactly 64Kbit/s to allocate to various sound events. This is a really bad idea since you might have a song that is more active in the right channel, so it would require more bits, then there's the left channel that is really quiet but is still using 64Kbit/s and because the left channel is hogging bits it does not require, the right channel is not getting the bits it needs to sound reasonable. Do not under any circumstances use this mode unless you want the worst sounding mp3s!!!"
Thanks a lot.

jorel 09-23-2003 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by onyx
Quote:

Originally Posted by nininbert
am i alone?
when i run cqmatic anf if my project in tmpeg was clean i can see all the frame in the tmpeg windows during the encode. but when cqmatic make the second pass with a different cq , i can't see the frame in tmpeg windows and the .m1v file is totaly black and the cq is wrong
what is the solution?
thanks

hello, newbie here. i experienced the same with nininbert when encoding Finding Nemo. Second pass is totally black in tmpgenc's preview window. by the way, i have a silly question. why do you guys bother to use prediction with CQ when file-size can be perfectly predicted using tmpgenc's 2-pass VBR? is CQ better than 2-pass VBR? And why does KVCD uses 128kbps audio that is Dual Channel? Isn't Joint Stereo better for this bitrate? Here's something i learned from this website: http://www.modatic.net/audio/glossary.php#dualchannel

"Dual Channel -This is the same as stereo except that it fixes the bandwidth to each channel. eg. with a 128Kbit/s file, each channel will have exactly 64Kbit/s to allocate to various sound events. This is a really bad idea since you might have a song that is more active in the right channel, so it would require more bits, then there's the left channel that is really quiet but is still using 64Kbit/s and because the left channel is hogging bits it does not require, the right channel is not getting the bits it needs to sound reasonable. Do not under any circumstances use this mode unless you want the worst sounding mp3s!!!"
Thanks a lot.

welcome in forum onyx!
:wink:
great observations!
a few days i post questions about this and have the same opinion.
i think that
"Dual Channel -This is the same as stereo except that it fixes the bandwidth to each channel. eg. with a 128Kbit/s file, each channel will have exactly 64Kbit/s to allocate to various sound events. "

please,take a read in this link and post some observation:

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5947

thanks!
:wink:

Krassi 09-23-2003 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onyx
is CQ better than 2-pass VBR?

Yes :!: It's really better than the 2-pass VBR. I've run several tests to verifiy this. And encoding time is shorter. There's a thread where CQ and VBR is compared, can't find it at the moment. I think it's called CQ vs. CQ_VBR or something like that.

EDIT: Found it: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2073

onyx 09-23-2003 11:43 AM

i'm sorry about my last post. tmpgenc doesn't show black window in 2nd prediction like i previously said. what really happens is tmpgenc encodes 144,649 frames (which is the size of the whole film!) yet it only shows pictures (sample frames) for the first 2 minutes and after that the rest of the frames are blank. why is this happening?it happens from the 1st prediction and later.i am using the latest version of tmpgenc and followed all the rules on the first post in this thread.

this problem would have been posted before but i don't have patience to read all 32 pages of this thread. :cry:

thanks a lot

bigggt 09-23-2003 07:23 PM

onyx wrote
Quote:

i'm sorry about my last post. tmpgenc doesn't show black window in 2nd prediction like i previously said. what really happens is tmpgenc encodes 144,649 frames (which is the size of the whole film!) yet it only shows pictures (sample frames) for the first 2 minutes and after that the rest of the frames are blank. why is this happening?it happens from the 1st prediction and later.i am using the latest version of tmpgenc and followed all the rules on the first post in this thread. this problem would have been posted before but i don't have patience to read all 32 pages of this thread.


Hi,you need to erase the audio field in tmpge before you save your tpr file.

Kwag maybe we should post this somewhere like in the begginning of the thread or something

kwag 09-23-2003 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bigggt

Kwag maybe we should post this somewhere like in the begginning of the thread or something

Hi bigggt,

I just updated CQMatic to version 1.2.01, which automatically erases the audio source field, and ensures proper operation ;)
So no matter what you enter in the audio source field, it will always be cleared before starting the encode/prediction cycle.
This takes care of TMPGEnc bug.
Grab it at the top of this thread :!:

-kwag

bigggt 09-23-2003 09:07 PM

You the man Kwag :D

onyx 09-24-2003 03:39 AM

i figured what causes the problem. it's the Inverse Telecine option of TMPGEnc. You see, i never use Forced Film in DVD2AVI even if it says 99% FILM. I always do manual IVTC. With IVTC disabled, the prediction works fine. But when it is enabled, CQMatic encodes the whole movie, with samples for the first 2 min and blank frames for the rest of the movie.

kwag, how am i gonna fix this? is it ok if i run prediction only with IVTC disabled and then place the CQ predicted in TMPGEnc manually and enable IVTC again? Won't the interlaced frames of a telecined movie mess up the CQ prediction?

by the way, you said it is important to disable "Detect Scene Change" in TMPGEnc when predicting CQ. But after i predicted the CQ and i encode in TMPGEnc manually, would enabling "Detect Scene Change" again give better results?

i am bothering you with questions. i'm sorry. but any help would be greatly appreciated. :D

kwag 09-24-2003 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by onyx
kwag, how am i gonna fix this? is it ok if i run prediction only with IVTC disabled and then place the CQ predicted in TMPGEnc manually and enable IVTC again?

NO. Use Telecide and Decimate in a script.
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Won't the interlaced frames of a telecined movie mess up the CQ prediction?
That's why you must use the script. Don't use TMPEG's internal IVTC. It's not good :!:
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by the way, you said it is important to disable "Detect Scene Change" in TMPGEnc when predicting CQ.
That was a LONG time ago. Go ahead and turn it on :)
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i am bothering you with questions. i'm sorry. but any help would be greatly appreciated. :D
No problem. You're not bothering :D

-kwag

nicksteel 09-24-2003 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by onyx
kwag, how am i gonna fix this? is it ok if i run prediction only with IVTC disabled and then place the CQ predicted in TMPGEnc manually and enable IVTC again?

NO. Use Telecide and Decimate in a script.
Quote:

Won't the interlaced frames of a telecined movie mess up the CQ prediction?
That's why you must use the script. Don't use TMPEG's internal IVTC. It's not good :!:
Quote:


by the way, you said it is important to disable "Detect Scene Change" in TMPGEnc when predicting CQ.
That was a LONG time ago. Go ahead and turn it on :)
Quote:

i am bothering you with questions. i'm sorry. but any help would be greatly appreciated. :D
No problem. You're not bothering :D

-kwag

In the download post for CQMatic, the instructions still say to uncheck "Detect Screen Change".

kwag 09-24-2003 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nicksteel

In the download post for CQMatic, the instructions still say to uncheck "Detect Screen Change".

:oops: :oops:
Thanks nick
I just edited the post, and removed that sentence.

-kwag


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