Beta Testing with same source and same settings
Just had the following idea to get prediction working:
How about doing a prediction with the same source (e.g. a wide-spreaded movie like "The Matrix") and the same settings (resolution, avs-script, TMPGEnc project settings) :?: All users who want to be a part of this could then post their results. Then we could easily compare all differences between PAL and NTSC, resolution and other things/issues. After that we could consider other sources etc. 8) Maybe Kwag could suggest the first settings for the beginning. I hope everybody understood my idea :oops: |
Hello krassi:
Great idea. I believe that we may be doing something like this shortly. Similar ideas have been posted in this thread: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5221&start=64 Regards Totonho03 |
Hi,
yep, i've just read these posts. Sorry nicksteel, we had the same idea 8O |
I made a prediction with Matrix, using CQMatic-1.1.02.
My Settings : CQMatic Settings: Movie Time in Minutes: 133 Avg. Bitrate: 713 (By Moviestacker 2.0) Override Default CQ: Unchecked Interlaced Source: Unchecked TMPGEnc Settings: Streamtype: MPEG-1 Video Resolution: 528x480 Framerate: 25fps Rate Control Mode: Constant Quality (CQ) Max. Bitrate: 2000 kbits/sec Min. Bitrate: 713*0.57 = 406.41 ~ 406 Enable padding not to be... : Checked P Picture Spoilage: 0 B Picture Spoilage: 0 VBV Buffer Size: 40 Motion Seach Precision: Motion Estimate Search (fast) Video Arrange Method: Center GOP Structure: IBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBBPBB Number of I Picture in GOP: 1 Number of P Picture in GOP: 12 Number of B Picture in GOP: 2 Output interval of sequence Header: 1 GOP MAX number of frames in a GOP: 25 Output bitstream for edit (Closed GOP): Unchecked Detect scene Change: Checked Force picture type setting: Unchecked Quantize Matrix: Intra: 8 9 12 22 26 27 29 34 9 10 14 26 27 29 34 37 12 14 18 27 29 34 37 38 22 26 27 31 36 37 38 40 26 27 29 36 39 38 40 48 27 29 34 37 38 40 48 58 29 34 37 38 40 48 58 69 34 37 38 40 48 58 69 79 NonIntra: 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30 18 20 22 24 26 28 30 32 20 22 24 26 28 30 32 34 22 24 26 30 32 32 34 36 24 26 28 32 34 34 36 38 26 28 30 32 34 36 38 40 28 30 32 34 36 38 42 42 30 32 34 36 38 40 42 44 Output YUY data as basic YcbCr not CCIR601: Unckecked Use floating point DCT (While using SSE, always ON): Checked No Motion search for still picture part by half pixel: Unchecked soften block noise: Unchecked CQMatic 1.1.0.2 took 69 Minutes of Time and gave a CQ of 50,49, which seems to be accurate, because last night I encoded the whole with CQ 52,77 and it was over the target size.. That Program is damn funny, on some Movies it is acting totally crazy and now it puts out a presumeably accurate CQ. Here's the whole Log: Code:
http://www.kvcd.net |
Thanks for the input, Bchteam. I'll start an encoding with the same settings right now. Maybe a NTSC user can make a test also :?:
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@Bchteam:
Are you using the latest MA-script :?: If not, can you post your script please :?: Are you using DVD2AVI 1.77.3 :?: |
I'm using DVD2AVI 1.76
I'm using the latest script from Kwag: Code:
## Main section and static filters ### |
@Bchteam:
Well, i have the first difference: I've just done my d2v-file with DVD2AVi 1.76 and my movie length (Matrix of course) has a length of 130 mins and 46 seconds :cry: Your target was for a 80 min-CD, right :?: EDIT: Can you try to make a prediction without filters :?: My machine is sooo slow (one prediction cycle > 45 mins :evil: ) I'll do one with the following avs: Code:
Mpeg2Source("T:\Matrix_176.d2v") |
Here are the results with Bchteam's settings (script without filters):
Code:
http://www.kvcd.net |
Hello Krassi,
I will make the tests within the next Hour. And of course, my target is 1 Disc (80 Min, 700MB) |
@Krassi,
If your source is PAL, please "uncheck" the "Interlace" option in CQM. I have to make a note of that, that it's only for 29.97fps interlaced sources. It's being set automatically from your TMPEG project. -kwag |
It's unchecked in CQMatic, i don't know why it shows up 8O :?:
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Thx Kwag, as always 8)
Here's another prediction with the following settings: Project file: Code:
object TMPEGEncodeJobFile Code:
Movie Time: 131, Average 717, interlaced dechecked. Code:
http://www.kvcd.net Code:
Mpeg2Source("G:\Matrix.d2v") |
Why :!: :arrow: Interlaced Source Correction :roll:
The option is "Unchecked" before you click on "Execute" :?: -kwag |
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Maybe its coming from TMPGEnc :?: |
Results of the final encode with the above settings:
Wanted VS: 704 512 KB Encoded VS: 613 414 KB Now i'm going to play around with the interlaced button :D Any other users :?: Come on, nobody got Matrix 8O :lol: :?: |
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I'll try now with the progressive setting in TMPGEnc. |
excuse me....
i don't have "the matrix" to encode but all my tests give me 15% less size from the desired target! are proportional like your results Krassi! :( |
Hi Jorel :D
i'm just testing with TMPGEnc-project-file set to progressive instead of interlaced. I thought TMPGEnc would set it right when importing the video file but it seems to be wrong. Prediction with progressive setting seems to do a better job. I'll post the results in about 7 hours, its time to sleep right now here in Germany... Maybe you could make a test with progressive too :?: Thats my current log: Code:
http://www.kvcd.net |
another source Krassi?
but i only have musicals and Disney's... all ntsc. and your results will be great for everybody in the forum! :) |
Here the results for progressive setting:
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Wanted VS: 704 512 KB |
Thanks Krassi :D
We're getting closer ;) That's only 12,576KB :!: -kwag |
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Kwag, i'm stuck :roll: :
I have processed the same source, with the same settings on two differenct PC's. The only things that could be different, are the Avisynth version and/or the Mpeg2Source-plugin 8O Thats the log on the other machine: Code:
http://www.kvcd.net |
Grab 1.1.04 NOW, and dump 1.1.02 and 1.1.03 :!:
-kwag |
@ Krassi...
better is stay with "the matrix". have big size time and is one good reference.... "everybody" but me have this movie too! :screwy: think how the posts will be strange with Disney's....like: "hey,dumbo is hard to encode,is heavy and break the system....or pinochio nose seems "strange"....or in white as snow...hey it's anamorphic?...the dwarfs are small." things like that. :lol: :lol: |
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@jorel:
:lol: :D I love the "Lebkuchenmann" (is gingebread-man right?) in Shrek when he squeals the muffin-man :!: @Kwag: I'm doing a prediction right now with 1.1.04 8) I can compare my Avisynth-versions this evening. |
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Is that the "EAT ME :!: " part :?: :mrgreen: :rotf: -kwag |
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EDIT: Just found it: Code:
Lord Farquaad: Tell me where the creatures are! |
Prediction with 1.1.04:
Code:
http://www.kvcd.net |
Here the results for progressive setting with 1.1.04:
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Wanted VS: 704 512 KB |
I've just played around with the average bitrate. I've used valc 0.0.5 to get the average bitrate. Moviestacker suggested a value of 726 kbps, vcalc 717.
Then i've set MS Precision to 0.71 and here are the encoding results (712 kbps) :mrgreen: Code:
http://www.kvcd.net Code:
Wanted VS: 704 512 KB @Kwag: Maybe you could implement the bitrate calculator before version 2 or release version 2 now :lol: :?: I think the prediction problems aren't coming from CQMatic 8) Maybe we should take a look at calculation of the average bitrate. |
Results with 1.1.08b:
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Movie Time 131 Code:
Wanted VS: 690292.5 KB |
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There shouldn't be any difference with the same settings from 1.1.07 to 1.1.08b :!: You should get about the same CQ, but only two decimal points instead of four on the latest version. -kwag |
I changed Min. bitrate to 400 and gave CQMatic another average bitrate (702 instead of 712).
I've seen your calculation of Bitrate and min bitrate in another post and tried it. |
@Krassi,
Could you try identical MIN, MAX and average with 1.1.07 and 1.1.08b, and see if you get a different CQ :?: There shouldn't be a difference 8O -kwag |
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