DVD2SVCD: transcode an Avi to KSVCD with subtitles
 

AAhhhh,

Thought I did this ones before and it worked but now I can't get it right...

I'm using D2S V 1.2.1 B2 now and the optimal script for D2S.

Now I have to transcode an Avi to KSVCD and I have an (external) sub file (.txt) that I want to put in there permantly. However (!) -> no subs show up in the preview screen (using DivX script).

When I use the "old" Divx filter (see below) the subs show up fine (?).

What should I use to have AND the best quality AND perm subs ?

-------"OLD" DIVX script
0=ConvertToYV12()
1=Undot()
2=Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_m ax=8,variance=0.3,seed=5823)
3=ATC(2,3,5,0.5,false)
4=TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2)
5=GripCrop(^TargetWidth, ^TargetHeight+^BorderTop+^BorderBottom, overscan=^overscan, source_anamorphic=^source_ana, dest_anamorphic=^dest_ana)
6=GripSize(resizer="^resizer")
7=DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)
8=Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_m ax=10,variance=0.5,seed=5623)
9=GripBorders()
^overscan=1
^source_ana=false
^dest_ana=false
^resizer=LanczosResize

Well I'm starting to regret updating to D2S 121b2.

At first Avi->SKVCD transcode BeSweet was in a error "loop" with some kind of errormessage (can't remember.....stupid).

After that BeSweet exits with "illegal operation" report from WinXP (Shibatch.dll is mentioned).........

Anyone.......?

With optimal script you must remove the line "8=function ConvertToYUY2(clip c){ return isYV12(c) ? c : convertToYV12(c) }" if you want to use permsubs.

For besweet, if you have a problem (I don't know why), just go to the original site of besweet, take the last version and put it under the one delivered with D2S (you will find a besweet directory under D2S one).

http://dspguru.doom9.net/

Now I get erromessage at preview: "deen need a YV12 input"...!

Help me.....!???

install xvid codec!
:wink:

Hi Jorel,

I already had Xvid codec installed.....I installed it again (xvidcore 0.9.2), but still the error message "deen need YV12 input" occurs......

Anyway, using the old DIVX script I have no problems and subs show up perfectly in the final muxed mpg file (with good picture quality)......but now I have another problem !! (AAAHHHHH :-(...:-) ). I can't get audio in the final muxed .mpg (?)

When I loaded the .avi file in D2S I got an (warning) message from D2S reading "frame rate 23.979 not supported. Framerate will be adjusted". I also checked NTSC -> PAL conversion (for SVCD log see below), just to be sure.

Gspot says the Avi is DivX 3 low motion with MP3 CBR 128 audio track.

Of course I want audio in my endresult........(:-).

Any ideas on the frame rate warning ? (should I change this first in some other prog ? because I remember correct bitrate should have been 23.976 instead of 23.979). -> by the way DivFix shows no problems with the .avi

Other strange thing (maybe now you know the problem, I don't....) -> The generated "Encoded_audio_1.mp2" file is silent (when played in WinAmp) but the "Encoded_audio_1.mp2.wav" file contains perfect audio.....(weird ? or does this ring a bell ?).

I gues my next problem will be audio synch (again) right ? :-)....Well one thing at a time.

(By the way, this is my 5th avi conversion I think, and the first 4 went perfect)

I really appreciate your advice and help !

-------------------------

GENERAL INFO
- Source: AVI (div3)
- Movie Offset: 2 sec
- CD Overlap seconds: No
- Startup delays: Video: 344 ms Audio 1: 344 msAudio 2: 344 ms
- Video format: PAL (converted from NTSC)
- Length: 01:28:45
- CD Images: 1

IMDB INFO:
Movie title:
User rating:
Directed by:
Writing credits:
Genre:
Tagline:
Plot outline:

VIDEO INFO:
- Encoder: TMPGEnc 2.513.53.162
- Rate Control Mode: Constant quality (CQ)
- Max. bitrate: 2200
- CQ Value 66.00
- Min. bitrate: 400
- Motion search prec.: Motion estimate search (fast)
- Field order: Yes
- DC component prec.: 8 bits
- Output YUV as YCbCr: No
- Floating point DCT: Yes
- No motion search: False
- Soften block noise: No
- iDCT Algorithm:
- Deinterlace: None
- Pulldown: No
- Width: 480
- Height: 576
- Matrix:
Intra:
8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
16 19 22 26 27 29 34 37
19 22 26 27 29 34 37 38
22 26 27 31 36 37 38 40
26 27 29 36 39 38 40 48
27 29 34 37 38 40 48 58
29 34 37 38 40 48 58 69
34 37 38 40 48 58 69 79
Non-Intra:
16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30
18 20 22 24 26 28 30 32
20 22 24 26 28 30 32 34
22 24 26 30 32 32 34 36
24 26 28 32 34 34 36 38
26 28 30 32 34 36 38 40
28 30 32 34 36 38 42 42
30 32 34 36 38 40 42 44

AVISYNTH SCRIPT:
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg 2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\AVIS YN~2.DLL")
AVISource("D:\WORKDI~1\FINAL_~1.AVI",False)
ConvertToYUY2()
AssumeFPS(25,1,True)
Undot()
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max =8,variance=0.3,seed=5823)
ATC(2,3,5,0.5,false)
TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2)
GripCrop(480, 576+0+0, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize")
DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max =10,variance=0.5,seed=5623)
GripBorders()
AvisynthSubtitler("D:\WORKDI~1\Subs\","permsubs.tx t")


AUDIO INFO:
- Audiostreams: 1
- Audio 1 Language: Unspecified
- Audio 1 Bitrate: 112
- Audio 1 Sample freq: 44100
- Audio 1 Mode: Dual channel
- Audio 1 Besweet: "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "D:\WorkDirectoryMovie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2.wav " -output "D:\WORKDI~1\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "D:\WORKDI~1\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -ota( -g max -r 23979 25000 ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 112 -m d )

SUBTITLE INFO:
- Subtitlestreams: 1
- Type: Permanent Subtitles
- Sub. 1 Language: Nederlands
- Sub. 2 Language:
- Sub. 3 Language:
- Sub. 4 Language:

AUTHORING INFO:
- CD Image program: VCDXBuild
- Entrysvd: No

No, you're right Paulus. I appologize : during my long vacation I forgot a lot of things, and one of theml is : optimal script doesn't work with permsubs.

You just remembered me why :-)

Sorry, you have to make a choice between the two (or use ATC insteed of Deen but results are far below).

Ah...Phil is back ! :D ....Hope you had a good vacation !

I think my sub problem is solved with using the "old" (previous) divx script.

Any ideas on my (no) audio issue ? I'm running a new transcode session as we speak (11 minutes to go....) after changing the framerate to the "standard" (?) 23.976 with AfriFrate.exe. Hope it brings audio "back online" also (small chance ?). Hope D2S can do the job. I don't want to do everyting manually (Vdub-Headache etc..)

By the way, I did change BeSweet version back to the previous build (1.4 ?) because it seems buggy (also according to readme.txt that came with it). At least it doesn't crash now.

Hope to hear from you my friend(s).........

I don't know what you are talking about. Where is the thread ?

If previous version works and last one crashes, you don't really have the choice :-)

Solved !

The FrameRate change did the job ! Unbelievable. I am really getting to learn this thing :D

Now one final encode with CQ is 74 and I can get on with the next 50 avi's I have here.......pffff

Thanks

Phil wrote: "where's the thread"...

Maybe I wrote too much text and i need to be more clear.......

In my long story I asked several questions regarding the fact that I also had a problem with no audio.....

quote:
..."Other strange thing (maybe now you know the problem, I don't....) -> The generated "Encoded_audio_1.mp2" file is silent (when played in WinAmp) but the "Encoded_audio_1.mp2.wav" file contains perfect audio.....(weird ? or does this ring a bell ?)."

And I already found the answer (changing framerate first, apparently the audio failing had to do with the framrate of the avi not being correct. So sorry for wasting your time :( but maybe it was useful to report anyway.....).

....it's not over yet.......

Thought all was OK but on my final result the audio runs out of sync after 20 minutes or so.....(Damn ! :evil: ).

How can one convert avi's with non standard frame rates (I'm guessing it must have something to do with the frame rate.).

I'm searching on all the forums. CAN it be done with D2S (i hope it can).

Use an "assumeFPS" command in the script maybe ?...........

Simple : strop use D2S to make avis. Use CQMatic for making prediction and encode directly Video + Audio (+subtitles ;-)) with tmgenc.

I use DS2 only for DVD now, and just because I don't want to bother myself with all operations that need.

For avi, a script template, a texteditor (to update the template and make the real avs), cqmatic and tmpgenc : that's all I need so far.

Yeah...I figured as much that D2S is not perfect for some avi's. (with another project I have synched audio and good subs but now the aspect ratio is all wrong, even though I've set it to 4:3 no borders added.

Could you give some more advise on how to do it directly (video + audio + subs) with TmpgEnc.

How you use the avisynth script, for instance ? (and subs ?).

For the sub you just need to find the subtitle plugin (called VsFilter.dll) and add a line at the end of your script with :

TextSub("subtile_file_name")

That's all.

For making the audio with tmgpenc, simple also : do your avs script without using the ",false" parameter at the end of the line "avisourcce". Do everything as usual (i mean, prediction part) with only video. At the very end, just before lauching the encode, select "System(audio+video)" insteed of "ES(video only)" in tmpgenc main window. Normally the audio source should indicate the same name than the video

How to edit *.srt?
 

Dailhot,

Your sollution with the VsFilter.dll works! It shows the subtitles. But how do I edit them (like font, font-size and color)? Any ideas. And is it maybe possible to replace the AvisynthSubtitler used by default by d2s? In the .ini files the only thing to edit is the pointer to the dll for the AvisynthSubtitler. If I could make d2s call for textsub("SubName") in stead of AvisynthSubtitler("Subname"). Then the whole problem would be solved. You can use the VsFilter.dll in stead of Avisynth Subtitler.dll

Thanx,

Tinus

Of course it works :-)

For modifying size and font, see what I said in this thread : http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....rt+style#40636

And for the last question : you can't override the usage of the AvisynthSubtitler but you can tell D2S there is no subtitle to handle and simply take care of it by yourslef by adding manually the line "TextSub" at the end of your script.

Subtitle position
 

Sticking with D2S for next Avi project.....

Only for the "weird" framerate avi's I need to do things manually I think (VirtualDub, etc).

Now I have a question regarding the positioning of my (external) subtitles.
D2S offers settings for the position but they don't seem to do anything (on preview - in Tmpeg and in the final result).

Problem is that my subs are positioned to far down. On the TV you cannot see the 2nd row of the subs.

I want the subs as high as possible in the bottom black bar. What settings to use ? .......

Below is my svcdinfo.txt for current project...



GENERAL INFO
- Source: AVI (DIV4)
- Movie Offset: 2 sec
- CD Overlap seconds: No
- Startup delays: Video: 344 ms Audio 1: 344 msAudio 2: 344 ms
- Video format: NTSC
- Length: 01:52:37
- CD Images: 1

IMDB INFO:
Movie title:
User rating:
Directed by:
Writing credits:
Genre:
Tagline:
Plot outline:

VIDEO INFO:
- Encoder: TMPGEnc 2.513.53.162
- Rate Control Mode: Constant quality (CQ)
- Max. bitrate: 2376
- CQ Value 75.00
- Min. bitrate: 400
- Motion search prec.: Motion estimate search (fast)
- Field order: Yes
- DC component prec.: 8 bits
- Output YUV as YCbCr: No
- Floating point DCT: Yes
- No motion search: False
- Soften block noise: No
- iDCT Algorithm:
- NTSC Field Operation:
- Deinterlace: None
- Pulldown: Yes, TMPGEnc internal
- Width: 480
- Height: 480
- Matrix:
Intra:
8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
16 19 22 26 27 29 34 37
19 22 26 27 29 34 37 38
22 26 27 31 36 37 38 40
26 27 29 36 39 38 40 48
27 29 34 37 38 40 48 58
29 34 37 38 40 48 58 69
34 37 38 40 48 58 69 79
Non-Intra:
16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30
18 20 22 24 26 28 30 32
20 22 24 26 28 30 32 34
22 24 26 30 32 32 34 36
24 26 28 32 34 34 36 38
26 28 30 32 34 36 38 40
28 30 32 34 36 38 42 42
30 32 34 36 38 40 42 44

AVISYNTH SCRIPT:
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg 2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\AVIS YN~2.DLL")
AVISource("D:\Filename\Filename.AVI",False)
ConvertToYUY2()
Undot()
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max =8,variance=0.3,seed=5823)
ATC(2,3,5,0.5,false)
TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2)
GripCrop(480, 328+76+76, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize")
DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max =10,variance=0.5,seed=5623)
GripBorders()
AvisynthSubtitler("D:\WORKDI~1\Subs\","permsubs.tx t")


AUDIO INFO:
- Audiostreams: 1
- Audio 1 Language: Unspecified
- Audio 1 Bitrate: 128
- Audio 1 Sample freq: 44100
- Audio 1 Mode: Dual channel
- Audio 1 Besweet: "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "D:\WorkDirectoryMovie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2.wav " -output "D:\WORKDI~1\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "D:\WORKDI~1\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -ota( -g max ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 128 -m d )

SUBTITLE INFO:
- Subtitlestreams: 1
- Type: Permanent Subtitles
- Sub. 1 Language: Nederlands
- Sub. 2 Language:
- Sub. 3 Language:
- Sub. 4 Language:

AUTHORING INFO:
- CD Image program: VCDXBuild
- Entrysvd: No

For this kind of question (why settings offered by D2S don't work) you can join directly the guy who does D2S on doom9 forum.
For my part, I can't answer to your question.


If I were you, I'll do what I suggested just above, in this thread : do not use subtitle feature of D2S and add manually a line with "textsub("...")" at the end of the script. This way you will have a complete control on what is done.

OK,

downloading VSfilter and SubResynch as we speek.

SubRsynch for the positioning settings

Adjust script as part of video encoding......

"Textsub("your subtitle file here") at the end of the script..


Thanks once more........keep you posted !

....hmmm.......correction....

cannot find "SubResync" anywhere (google + various DivX portals) . I thought I found it but it was SubSynch (I already have it).

If anybody (Payasa, where are you .....? :-) ) has a link I appreciate it very much.....

Subresync
 

It's a little typo... Programme is called Subresync and is part of Vobsub. If you install Vobsub you can choose to also install a couple of utils. Here you can choose for SubResync.

Then if it works (It works for me), there still is a problem with te sizing of the subs. IF you put the textsub filter at the bottom of the script, it's after the gipborders. So the subtitle is put in normal, while the movie is in cvd resolution. PLayback on a dvd player expands the horizontal width so the subs are expanded. I'm figuring thisone out right now. If I find a sollution i will post it (if you find it.... please do).

En de groeten aan Tante Ans uit het oosten....

Tinus

Problem solved
 

Edit the added .srt.style file. and change the scaleX value to 55. It scales the horizontal value to 55%. (352 (CVD) / 640)*100%=55%

Greets,

Tinus

Boy I feel stupid.......I can't get a .style file ("open srt in SubreSync and save it without changing anything") ???? -> searching the net for solution/guid.......if someone can point me in the right direction.....



@Staigerpaip/Tinus

Do your settings also work with SVCD resolution ?

Groeten terug van Tante Ans :o

Sorry.....I have a .style file now and changed settings for scaling to 75% and Vertical position to 5 (suggested by Dialhot).

If it doesn't work I try your settings staigerpaip (I'm making an SVCD right now, now CVD so I'm not sure your settings are OK for me.).

So If I edit the script before encoding the video and add the textsub line at the end of the scipt it should work right ?

Running encode now. Tomorrow I know more :)

There is a generic style file I use. Just save it with name "subtitle.srt.style" (if subtitle filename is "subtitle.srt")

You don't have anything to change if you use SVCD as this file is for VCD and aspect ratio is the same for SVCD and VCD.

Thanks Phil ! This is a good idea.

Running encode now with your file.....

One question -> is scaling nog neccesary for the fontsize do you think (reading a lot of stuff about fontsizes comming out to big without scaling).

Just one final report before I go to sleep.........

I'm getting "Illegal video resolution errormessage" from TMPG. 8O

......almost there :?

The errormessage about the video res was due to wrong script syntax on my part (forgot the " in textsub("subfile.srt" line) :oops:

I encoded using the textsub line in script with .style file but playing the muxed.mpg file in PowerDvd still shows the subs too low in the bottom black bar of the movie (using MarginV=10). I can try with 5 ??

Is the .style file automatically used by Avisynth when it is in the same directory as the .srt file ?)

VSFilter.dll use it automatically. And yes you can try with margin=5, or even margin=3 but in this case, reduce the size of the font (or the scaleX and scaleY parameter to let say 90%)

scaling
 

@Paulus

Yes they do, you have to devide different 480/640*100%. You have to scale horizontal to 55%.

The problem I still have is the quality of the subs after encoding. The font is a little bit blurry/distorted. It's not really bad, but i'm a perfectionist (and the fun part for me is to figure out all kinds of things with (k)vcd making). So i'm working on that one.

Good luck,

Tinus (Staigerpaip)

Re: scaling
 

Do you have Textsub as very last line of your script or do you have some filters after it ?

I made sure it is on the last line, in the past I had also troubles with the subs because of that. In preview it looks ok , but the problem comes if you view it on television.

Some TV set have a "sharpen" settings. You should perhaps check this point in the setting menu (or in the picture properties).

Ok, thanks.

Will try that one when I'm home. I will also try the kvcd on a different tv/dvd set to make sure it's not my set.

Tinus

@staigerpaip

Following your formula (480/640) I get 75 % (which I read in other thread as well). -> by the way what is the syntax of this formula (where does the "640" value come from ?).

@Dialhot
I try Vertical postion "5" for test later today (when I'm at home). I hope it works, because the "10" setting (default = 20) did nothing for position in my endresult but we see that later today...

Well.......I am puzzled once more..... :?

I used 75 for ScaleX and 5 for the MarginV but subs showed up in Tmpeg all the way at the very bottom of the black bar so I've stopped encoding.

Hope one of you still has a suggestion...

What is the estention of your subtitles ?

srt oy ssa ? Or other thing perhaps.

Can you copy there the first lines of the subtitle file please ?

Phil,

I have a .srt file.....

Below are the first lines of the .srt file contents.

PS: I'm using D2S 1.2.1. B2. That is OK isn't it ?



----------

1
00:01:24,247 --> 00:01:25,919
Kijk uit.

2
00:01:58,524 --> 00:02:00,594
jochie ?

3
00:02:15,083 --> 00:02:17,391
Wat is er gebeurd ?

4
00:02:21,522 --> 00:02:24,832
Help. Help ons.

5
00:02:40,321 --> 00:02:42,788
Alles komt goed.

If you name you're subtitle file "subtitle.srt" and create a file subtitle.srt.style and past this script in it:
Your subs should be in the right place. A MarginV of 5 is to small. Your subs will be displayed only 5 pixels (I think it's pixels) of the border. So try 20 (I used 17 in the style file).

Succes.....