That's right. Same applies here, because it's the law, and the policeman is the law, and he/she has to give you a ticket. Right :?:
Well, if you have a valid reason (moral), even though the law (GPL) has to give you a ticket (enforce), sometimes they don't give you the ticket :!:
So, even thought the law is clearly written, some times it's not applied.
In this case, only a judge has the final decision, no matter how much noise the people make, or want other to believe in what they think is right.
Hope you get my point ;)

-kwag

Yep :wink: same here in Portugal. Though I must say that traffic law is not an example: you can be caught speeding while driving at 10Kph if you crash against the car in front of you.
You were speeding because you couldn't stop the car before crashing even at 10Kph...
But yes, I can see some humor in what you said. I just didn't like the speeding tickets you mentioned: I've been given some too many times already :(
And BTW you seem like a very reasonable member :wink: .
Cheer pal

A traffic tale :)
 

Well, to tell you the whole truth, I don't get caught speeding too often. But when I am, I don't really argue with the officer. It’s a matter of simple economy.

My way to see it is this: I've passed the speed limits several times, most of them unknowingly (in my country signs are sometimes plain stupid, and speed limits unreasonably low in certain areas), but fortunately there has never been a cop around so I was lucky to get away with it.

Adding up both kinds of situations, by paying the ticket when I actually (and seldom) get caught, for me it is "getting it cheap". :)

But think of this other situation. I drive my car, so I agree to abide by the transit law (i.e. GPL). Another driver, in a van, does the same, but misses a red light and fortunately I stop just in time to avoid being hit. When seeing my maneuver, he also stops. No physical damage done, but I got scared as hell. So I step down and approach to this guy van’s window, and say: Sir, sorry but you scared me to hell. What do you have to say about what you’ve done? (i.e. Program sources, please?)

And he says: I'm very sorry, please accept my apologies. I never meant to do you any harm. I was just thinking about how cute my new van was, and with all my fellows here in the back of the van celebrating, I got too excited. You see, I honestly got my driver's license recently but never read or understood all the actual details of traffic.

I say: OK, please refrain from doing it again. You may inadvertently hurt other people. And he says: I’m very sorry sir, thanks for understanding. I will be more careful in the future. I will also take my van home and won’t take my fellows out on it until I clearly understand this Transit thing.

And they live happily ever after.

However, what if, when I approach the van window and ask the question, something different happens.

Suppose one of the other driver’s good fellows gets pissed off, just because he dislikes me (we met some time ago), and tells me that the transit law is useless, that his friend is a good guy, that I’m not welcome on this neighborhood anyway, that I left to go to other neighborhoods and I must remain where I belong, and that he even thinks I passed a red light myself once, and he is almost sure about that, so what right do I have to ask for anything at all.

Then all the other fellows in the gang, which don’t know how to drive (i.e. users-only of GPL code), start to take sides for his friend, and then I go to talk to some other guys I know of, and ask if my manners were really that bad when simply asked “What do you have to say about what you’ve done?”

And then everyone in the van begins to question the very existence of traffic lights, or if red is really red or if it is orange, or yellow, and what those politicians know about what traffic really is anyway, making useless laws which are full of flaws… Some of them think so bad about me they even say that my actual intentions are to take over the other guy’s van because of a stupid traffic light!

And also some of my friends get too excited when seeing this mess, and start to defend Transit Law, and when no reasoning shown seems to calm this nonsense, they start to throw eggs on the van’s window, and everyone start to call each other names…

Well, you know the rest of the story. You get a street riot.

You know, I think that software developing is more an art than a science. To produce a great piece of software requires more than great ideas and brute force. It requires mood, inspiration, creativity, perseverance, iron will, and mostly… time, perhaps the most scarce resource in life today.

So you really need to be an artist for this. And artists are peculiar persons. We all enjoy some kind of music, and we do it generally without knowing very much about its author. Sometimes we even appreciate the work in spite of who created it. The same with a nice painting, or a good novel, etc.

There may be lots of artists that we actually don’t like in person, but they produce good things we all may enjoy. What is the point of harassing them, or insulting them, or saying bad things about them?

I think we should always remember this, and either give them support or keep out mouth shut.

Well, that was a long post. I hope it is not a stupid one :)

r6d2,
after read your last 2 posts i have another question.
why after my first answer you posted:
"....but I guess it deserves a separate topic."

nothing against your position but why another if you posted about radar,cars,
transit.....here in this same thread ?
see as a joke here but the first is serious.
why you don't answer here this 2 questions?
:?
:lol:

or do you want in portuguese?
:lol:

i need you here too my friend please post what you know about backup copy law:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10590

thanks!
:wink:

ouch!

If I may summarize: you think that Neuron2, Nic, Sh0dan, Avery Lee, Suiryc (and many more), are NOT serious developers. Wow ...

Seems that Neo-neko is again bored enough to flood the forum...

obligated?
you're a joker! :lol:
hey, what about an avatar? (he have to transmit your feelings) :wink:

you post too much (one after another), i need to re read in slow motion but you seems menacing in other post my friend. is needed that? why? :?

I think it's a good thing that there has been discussion about this issue. Sure beats the "I-downloaded-a-movie-off-the-net-and-want-you-to-convert-it-to-KVCD/KDVD-for-me" posts I've been reading way too many times lately. I almost did the same thing as Phil and was very close to stopping posting.

However, I still don't think it's wise to tell people like neuron2 to FO. Their work has been most valuable to each and every one of us. You just might not come to think of it too often.

Did I say that, or is that what YOU want to believe :?:
They are serious developers. They just made the wrong decision when they selected the license. In my opinion. That's all.
What is serious, is that almost no SERIOUS company will consider their programs, and use them commercially. And that's a fact :!:

-kwag

He's been deleted, and his information has been recorded now with our legal department. I won't even bother with him anymore. It's not up to me now.
Next time he shows up, we'll send his complete history with a beautiful letter to his provider, with some of his "higlight" posts.

-kwag

Who said that :?:
Did I miss a post :!:

-kwag

That was more like a general observation, now that the GPL stuff is being bashed around and Don is one of the most famous GPL-supporting people related to our "business" with video processing.

Because I think that the topic of cultural and language barriers deserves a thread on its own. It has little to do with "Program sources, please?"
Because I was making an analogy. Analogies are good since they describe complex situations in terms familiar to a broader audience. Sometimes you can see things in a way you might not have thought of.

If you read it through, you will see the direct link to the topic at hand, unless of course I'm a really bad writer. :)
Well, nothing personal of course. You see, I have also asked several direct questions on this thread and very few of them have been answered, if at all. In fact, you have answered none, and that's OK for me. I guess it's up to each of us to answer questions as we see fit.

But as you kindly insist, it would be very uneducated from my part not to answer. So I'll try. These are the two questions in your post (well, they are actually three):
This means that the person to which it is addressed has a great capacity for accepting and enduring punishment.
To me, the poster is pointing out a virtue of the addresee. If I was told that, I'd feel honored.
I actually don't know, but maybe to show his admiration?

I think a more correct way of summarizing Kwag's statement is that those developers which have chosen GPL are a minority.

Which is interesting, kwag brings up the minority subject, again considering it something plain wrong, just because it seems not to be the majority's opinion (according to his knowledge of the matter).

So my previous unanswered question arises again: Is it OK in this forum to have a minority opinion or it is just considered stupid "even beyond stupidity" by default?

And since I'm kindly insisting, I'd expect an educated answer.

Oi!

It is more than ok to have a minority opinion in this forum, the trick is that you have to post it with respect, and you are going to get answers that may or may not agree with, but you have to post your answers, with respect towards the other members. 8)

Case in point, I beg to differ with your answer, about being a "glutton for punisment" I think whoever calls you that is saying your are a masochist, and that my friend is not nice.

Ciao
Glänzend

You got that right. How many commercial developers are in the world, compared to GPL developers :?:
The answer it's pretty obvious. Because it's my opinionThe problem is not about minority opinion. It's about a minority user, who didn't have anything costructive to add to this site, and his posts were beyond stupidity :!:

Hey, about stupid answers, I'm aware I have posted stupid answers in the forum :lol:
But they were unintentional, or I didn't really read the post or just read it too fast, and I gave a stupid answer. This happens :!:
And this is understandable. It happens to many people every day. But Neo-Neko's posts went far beyond the point.

On another topic, I was questioned why do I use GPL programs, if I'm against GPL :?:
Answer is simple: I'm against the GPL license. Not the programs or the programmers.
They choose to select the license, I choose to USE the programs, but not develop my own projects as GPL.
For example, you might like "Kentucky Fried Chiken", "Evian" water, your great old ZX81 computer.
But even though you like all of these stuff, and you eat it or use it (depending what it is), you may not like the people who cook it, you don't lke the company policy, so you won't ever work for them, etc., but you STILL use their products, because they are EXCELENT :!:
The same applies (to me) for using a GPL product.
Best example is Linux. I use it, but I won't develop any GPL program to run on it. I'll choose a less restrictive license.

-kwag

Beware then, in a moment of lucidity you may remove you own account. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, regarding the gluttonny matter, you would not believe it, but look at Webster's definition. :)

My point on that answer was that communication is a two way path. How things are said or what is meant always has some sort of subjectivity. You may think that being called masochist is not nice, but some people even use masochism as a way to be closer to the spiritual things, and they think that's good.

You surely have heard that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", well it's sort of similar. How you receive a message partly depends on your own personal history and mood. You have a choice about considering it an offense, or better not. "It's all about choice", according to The Matrix. ;)

@r6d2,
I see your point: semantics, grammar, interpretation, etc...
Now let's look for a "moron" or "criminal" definition on webster's or any other online dictionary.
Man, I hate when I have to repeat myself but apparently noone is giving credit to some accusations that were made here or inwards here and that included members of this site/forum i.e. me for instance.
That I shall never forget.
It made me open my eyes and see that some people just don't stand by their reputation.
So let's put things straight, ok?
Some left, some arrived.
I'm happy that some oldtime members have now started to post in this thread while they hadn't come to KVCD so often :wink: .
They seek the same I did up until a few days ago: put an end to the differences between this forum and another one's members.
If they (you :wink: ) succeed I'll be more than happy.
If afterwards Muaddib and Shh come to an agreement I'll start making the arrangements to the party.
But...if in the end we see the opposite I won't be surprised.
Why? Because some people who blinded for their love to GPL accused Kwag and others of something they did ten times more: Flame!
And that brought us to where we are.
At the edge of the cliff.
Cheers

Hmm... The really important thing IMHO is how we interrelate being from different cultures and languages, and provided that plain text usually sounds much more harsh than intended.

Emoticons of course help, but they are not the panacea.
Personally, I can tell you than the reason I came back was precisely Moviestacker. I was (am) very interested on it since its appearance. Other than that, I did not come here too often because I see this site as the ideal place for 1 CD rip fans, which I am not, even though I gave it a try when first interested in encoding.

(I also gave this site the credit I think it deserves when I wrote my Complete Idiot's Guide.)

You know, I thought I could do some improvements to Moviestacker (as I also suggested to shh's FitCD with success). I was even tempted to ask the sources myself.

(Fortunately, I refrained on time. Perhaps local community would have thought I was trying to rip muaddib's work too, even though I was thinking he simply forgot to include the sources.) :confused:
Oh, I don't think we are still there. The matter has been settled at last, so we just have to be patient and Moviestacker will glow again on its own. Man, we waited for a year already. :)

i'm in doubt and sorry for that :
i don't know why you all came here and work so hard to an arrogant stupidity
trying to be so wise and no matter if it hurt someone,the important is that
you have to be honest with your own badness.if we don't accept your position we are minority. this is not an "interpretation" this is fact!
one from domm9 forum came here with another registry as a dictator breaking the rule from where he came, the adiministrator send the same recomendations for a member and is breaking his own law,no one came here to solve,only to menace and destroy and in the end you all are very wise...,but in your sick vision.see that i'm doing some questions here and there but i got the same: everything but not the answers.the very strange: why you all try to be so menace? the law of fear don't work with me...i am talking about what is happen and not what i think.
this is the resaon that i post again: you can think what you want or better , what your badness run driving your imagination in the direction of "doom". it can be energetic to your brain but will destroy your soul. this is the reason that from lots of forums ithey have the same position:
i don't go there cos they are so stupids...this is your international fame.
that comportament came from different cultures and languages.
see now in doom9 forum or in all hours,you have more visits than members all they long.everybody recognise your developers but can't have his friendship , they choose to stay as "guests" than as members.
this is not what i think,is another fact...go to the forum now and see the numbers of members and guests.
but this is not for all and i have to post again: i have good friends there,and will be my friends no matter what happen, my choice for that good friends there is international then we are not the minority.
you are right in all your visions but watching from wrong axis.
in the end,no matter what we think,matter what will be proove.
we can think what we want cos it don't change the reality.
this is the true with this horrible english!
see that i'm not against someone cos i don't know they in person,i'n against your positions and comportament.

:wink:

Hi r6d2,
If you would come here and ask for the sources Muaddib or anyother would have told you exactly the same they did to Shh.
Or maybe with a little difference: you probably wouldn' have been told dozens of times to go private and discuss it with Muaddib as I take you for an intelligent person.

That was the biggest mistake Shh commited: he knew Muaddib was not using GPL because he wanted to do so but because he was obliged to do so! And he knew Muaddib wouldn't want to give his code too as it had been discussed previously.
And he knew if he headed to D9 forum he would gain a lot of friends in no time, due to their GPL love, which BTW haven't been too friendly with us.
So he had it all worked out. He would always stay public so that D9 members would see how he was a poor boy here and how he was so badly interpreted here, and so on, and so on...
Otherwise he would have done it the way any decent person would have done it: PM the guy and ask where are the sources.
...
This has hardly come to an end buddy, or I'm completly mistaken.
Let's keep waiting for Muaddib and see what he has to say.
Cheers

Sorry, jorel, but I did not understand a word you said. You say you're in doubt, but in doubt of what? then you start using the word "you", I don't know if you mean "me" or "all of us Doom9ers". English has those quirks, which other languages don't.

On either case, you are attributing to me things I don't think or for which I'm not responsible.

Then you start saying you are the minority, when kwag has stablished the minority is just the opposite... Sorry, I really don't get what is the point you are trying to make.

I also think your post may be considered quite offensive and aggressive, but since I know you are a well intentioned fellow, I rather chose not to understand it that way. It must be something related to the language barrier.

What didn't you understand r6d2?
Yes Jorel is a bit angry with those that come here with no particular intention to help over this matter, but to start messing with everybody.
He even found that some D9ers don't have problems double joining other forums.
If you need help understanding Jorel ask us and we'll help you.
Yes language makes a bit of a gap here and there but in the end Jorel has always been able to "send" us his message :wink:
Cheers

To be honest guys I dont see the point of this thread any more seeing as MovieStacker has been removed from downloading until Mauldib can remove either the GPL or shh FitCD code from MS.

It seems to me that we are going around in circles and getting nowhere in pointless debate. Maybe we should lock this thread and let Mauldib resolve the situation when he has the time to do so?

I totally agree with you!

Definitly agreeing with you Zyphon :!:
Cheers

@audioslave & rds_correia

Thanks guys I just feel that this thread is now 10 pages long and will just go on forever without ever being resolved.

We need to move on I feel to other areas rather than wasting our interlects on this thread. :)

Ok guys. I agree too.
Locking up thread.

-kwag

@ all
Sorry to reopen this thread, but unfortunately I had no time in the last 4 days to read/write forums, and I feel that I must express my self again about this matter, as some of my intentions seem to be misunderstood. I already explained this at doom9, but I want to do it here too.

I received some PMs from some of the “new KVCD members” that was like someone coming by my side, giving me a cordial “slap” in my back and saying “Glad that in the end you did the right thing!”.

Sorry, but I really have to clarify that… I didn’t ask to kwag remove MovieStacker from download because I thought that was the right thing (thinking in a wider meaning of “right” than just “legally right”). I did it because GPL forces me to do so. I didn’t change my mind about it. Not even a bit. Never was my intention to stay “illegal” in this matter. What I tried to do was show shh my side and point of view. If he didn’t accept it, that’s ok. So I complied with the GPL even not agreeing with it.


I thought that removing MovieStacker from download would clam down this thread. I see that this unfortunately not happened. I’ll leave this thread open believing that no more flame war and individual fights will happen. Otherwise it will be closed again.

Regards,

I wouldn’t say anything, just to not just to not “keep it going”. But I want to add something to r6d2 traffic problem. :D

Me too! 8O


Well, in this case I think completely different from you.
If I have a good reason to be speeding, of course I will argue with the officer! He is just human, and not the owner of the truth.
I will explain my reasons to him. And if they are good reasons (and if he is a reasonable man) I’m sure he will not give me the ticket!
Let’s say that I was speeding because I have inside the car a pregnant woman about to give birth. I’m sure the officer will not give me the ticket and will also help me get faster to the hospital. This is just a simple example where the “law” is not enforced in the name of good sense.


Yes, but I can show you many examples that it was injustice.


I think this was really an easy situation to react cordially and put an end to the problem right there. But as you said, you come to the guy van’s window. And that makes a lot of a difference. Let’s imagine a third possibility with your traffic problem.

What if, instead of approaching to the guy van’s windows, you went to the local newspaper and public a note relating the incident and demanding that as he crossed the red light he must pay the bill for that? There was no fiscal damage but you got scared as hell, therefore he must repair the damage he has caused to you in some other way.

Well, the local neighbors don’t think that your attitude is fair just because he crossed a red line, and also no damage has been done. To aggravate it, the local neighbors know you from the past as been a “trouble” maker around the neighborhood, and they don’t give you the trust you are expecting. You don’t think that’s right, because the other guy has really passed the red line, so you go to the other neighborhood and look for help in their newspaper. The people from this neighborhood (beside the fact they had already some scrape with the first neighborhood) thinks that you are completely right. They decided to support you, starting to demand that the van’s guy pay the price for his acts “against the law” (in their newspaper), because the law is the law, and he broke the law when he crossed the red light. This people that are helping you get so mad about the situation that they move to the van’s guy neighborhood to demand “justice” from a closer view, calling these guy’s friends of but-kissers, stupid, idiots, criminals and so on.

Well, you know the rest of the story. You get a neighborhood riot.


I didn’t write this to say that one is right and other is wrong. But to say that even agreeing with you that analogies are good, they are dangerous too; Because also truth could be in the eye of the beholder (or in this case, in the hand of the writer). :wink:

Regards,

Thanks, I also think it was an interesting analogy and I was afraid nobody actually got it.
Of course, my friend, and I agree with you on that. In fact, I can tell you that, personally, I think that every time I get pulled over by an officer and he gives me a ticket, it is an injustice!

I did break a law. I changed lanes, speeded too much, missed a STOP sign, or whatever, and no matter how valid my reasons were, I know I broke a law. But isn’t it unfair, and a blatant injustice, that so many guys do the same without any reasons, and never get caught? ;) I call that the greatest injustice of all.

A bit of some more humor to this thread: My veterinary surgeon uncle and I were pulled over by an officer once. He had missed a “no left turn” signal. When seeing his white apron and his syringe box, the officer asked him: Are you in a hurry? What’s your profession? My uncle responded: I’m a surgeon, officer, and I'm in a hurry indeed. Go ahead, the officer said. Man, do you think that’s fair? He was not a doctor, and there was no emergency whatsoever.

We, software engineers, don’t carry syringe boxes or white uprons, so we just have to pay. ;)

Also, if I were carrying a pregnant woman or an injured passenger, my strategy would a bit different than yours. I’d not even pull over. I’d run as hell, with my lights blinking, playing the horn and the like. And the officer, when seeing me passing by, would start to follow me, see my signs, get the point and help me to get there. And you know what? If that saved a life, I’d even ask the officer to give me a ticket, pay it, and it I would still consider I'd be getting it cheap.

You have done an interesting twist too. I never saw KVCD as the newspaper (maybe because of the parallel kwag did with the organization thing, which I don’t subscribe since I’ve had my letters published on several newspaper without being a member of their organizations).

But it is a good point since not only the guys in the van gets to see it, but all the neighborhood also. At the same time, putting it on the newspaper would have been the resort I’d have used if the van driver did not stop (sort of hit and run), but in this case the van driver stopped. The problem was that I did not get to speak to him before the other guys in the van would increase the temperature. ;)

However, the corresponding personal add I’d put on the newspaper, since it was not a hit and run, would be still “To the driver of the van numbered xxx, which scared the hell out of me the other night, What do you have to say about what you’ve done?”

You see, it is still the same “Program sources please?” of my analogy.

In fact, my analogy is not related to my involvement on you ability to get your new van. I’m not considering I own any part of your van. My analogy applies to anyone who would have seen the guy driving (under GPL = Transit Law) and naively thinks the van driver is aware of transit law, because he is driving, and in fact has a recently acquired his license.

Let me put it this way. I already said on another post that I was interested in getting the program sources too. I could have started this thread with the same question: “Program sources, please?” And what would have happened?

rds_correia, for instance, thinks I’d have got the very same answers as shh got (Only I’d have not been told to go private.) God, I’m glad I did not post “Program sources, please”. ;)

One last point to your analogy variant: By publishing the personal add I’m not asking for you to pay anything to me or anyone else. I’m just asking you something you (inadvertently) offered to give when releasing under GPL. Don’t forget that.

In fact, it would be very interesting if you take the time to look at my “sincerity drill” posted a few pages back on this thread. And if you even want to post your opinion, I’d be glad to hear it.

Yes, my friend. In fact there is no such a thing as the “holy truth”, and each one has his own right to his truth. The point is that we can agree on some basic assumptions to get along and prosper, and we only get to that with respect for each other.

Nope. Sorry, but I'll give you a good example.
The company I used to work for, many years ago, did radio communications services for many companies, including the police department.
I used to work as an electronics technician, when I started there, and one day I was speeding to one of the sites, because one of the repeaters (which serviced the police department), was down.
I got stopped, doing 70MPH (on a 50MPH) limit.
When the policeman approached me, he asked me for my license and registration, and I asked: "May I ask what for, please".
He answered: "You were doing 70MPH on a 50MPH zone"
I answered: "Yes I'm aware of that, and I'm going that fast because your communications system is currently down, and the police department called us, because this is an emergency.
You should have seen how fast he let me go ;)

About the surgeon, even though he is a veterinary, he is still a doctor. :)

-kwag

But I was speaking about software engineeers... :)
Of course, if you are used to lie (or carefully omit relevant information), you can get away with it more often. :)

You can also shoot the officer with a pistol kept in the glove compartment... It's just a matter of how far do you want to move from what you think is "fair", which is quite the topic here, or isn't it? :D:D:D

Please refrain from making accusations or defamatory statements, Keep in mind in this forum this is not allowed, you can be baned from the forum for that. 8)

I'm sorry, I did not mean to accuse anyone. In fact, even though I read my post several times after your post, I honestly think the only one who might feel accused is my uncle, but he does not visit this forum nor is interested in encoding. :)

PS: Also, someone which is used to lie might feel offended, but who are you refering to, glänzend? :?

Apology accepted,
But you see, you where answering kwag's post, you were talking to him, so I saw your answer as an accusation, but if you say you were not accusing anyone, no problem. 8)

BTW, I'm sure your uncle considers himself a doctor.

It's an limitation of the English language. If you replace "you are" with "one is" in my post, you get the idea. But "one is" mode is seldom used. Most times, from context, you can understand the general point. (Or better "one can" understand...)

Anyway, my sentence was conditional so again if you are not used to lie, there is no reason why you should feel offended or accused. I hope that by your way of seeing things, and knowing him better that I do, you're not implying that he should. :?

You know, I called my uncle. He remembered the story, but told me a much better one:

A guy was speeding on the highway. All of the sudden, he notices a police car is chasing him. They guy speeds even more, and he struggles for his freedom for a few miles. However, the policeman finally gets him and he decides to pull over. The officer approaches to the driver and says: You know, you gave me a good fight. I’ll tell you what: if you can give me an excuse that I’ve never heard before, I’ll let you go.

OK, says the driver. He thinks for a while and then responds: Last week my wife left me. She run away with a police officer. When I saw you chasing me, I thought you were that officer, who wanted to give her back. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyway, all this is very funny but also very OT. I hope the thread is not closed because of that.

Funny, that's exactly the phrase that Obelix says to a greek guy in "Asterix in the Olimpic Games". That's in page 45. Just before he beats the greek guy :)

You mean when he beats the twin brother of the greek guy believing he was the same guy, right?

Well, in the Spanish thanslation it says: "¡Mira que llegas a ser testarudo tú!", which means "What a stubborn guy you are indeed!". :)

Seriously? I can't believe you are this saint!
Personally, there were some times I thought it was injustice, few others that the officer did not give me the ticket, and others that I had just no good reason.

Well, I don't think so. To be honest, I never thought about it this way.
I did not build my life, or my work, or my concept of what is fair/unfair, or what is right/wrong based on "the other guy" (or if the other guy was caught or not).

No. I don't think that's fair. That was a lie.

Neither do I. It was just an analogy. I also never saw this mater as a traffic problem. :wink:

Well, if I were you, I would have found a way to speak with the van's guy in private. I would really not put it in the newspaper. But that's just me.

I'm sure that the van's guy is thanking God that there is no transit law that forces him give you his new van if some how he used an old steering wheel of you car! :wink:

I could not talk generally, but I can tell you that if you asked for it offering help to fix bugs (as you already did) or improve the project in anyway… it's a totally different approach, and at least my reaction would be different. But if you call for it saying that you have no real interest in the sources, but you want it just because you can. Well, I would probably not believe in what you were saying, and would probably react the same way.

Good Post!
And I have to pour out that outside KVCD I felt no respect, not just for me, but for KVCD community as a whole. I'm saying it generally (of course), and of course there were (few) exceptions.

That was a good one! :lol: :lol: I like it! :lol: :lol: It sure deserves a place at our "jokes forum".

Just want to warn you (and every one else) to never do that! Because if you don't stop by the sing of an officer (like your reaction with a pregnant woman in the car) and make he chase you, he is allowed to open fire and shoot your car! If he misjudges your actions and the worst happens and some one gets killed in your car… it will be too late to tell him your reasons. You can't even say that it was unfair (?), because the "law" says otherwise.