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@Kwag&Muaddib.
I am sure shh would agree and if either of you are agreeable [especially you Muaddib] I would like to offer my assistance and possibly that of others to help you come to a mutually agreeable solution. |
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But don't you find it interesting that the ones that, agree with Shh all left the forum instead of continue posting his support for him? Quote:
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Ok Mr. Neo Neko,
Now that everything has been starightened about my name and what I write I do ask for one thing off topic (yes it is off topic more than what? 90% of what's been written here? and still everybody can post!). Do you feel you can actually do anything besides calling your lawyer? Is that why you're here? Are you here to start a flaming war? See, that I am only asking you, thus not acusing you of any such acts. But please be advised that you have used (probably without intention :roll: ) my name in vain and in an improper way. I would feel offended although you have already prooved me before of being a civilized person. If back at doom9 or at any other forum (that most probably we're all members of) you can give a precious advise to Mr. shh, I believe you already noticed you will not change what we all feel here. Now talking about civilized: I would ask for all those posting here to keep your posts as objective as possible. 1 - Of course we all see that IF GPL will be accpeted in a court of law, maybe Mr. Muaddib will have to give his sources. 2 - Of course we are all in favour of free software and team work for the benefit of communities. 3 - Of course we all understand that Mr. Shh may or may not be using licenses/law for his own future benefit. 4 - We all understand that, besides Mr. Shh and lately you Mr. Neo Neko, noone EVER asked for Moviestacker sources. Let us all look at this: 5 - Once Mr. Shh released FitCD under GPL and released it's sources. 6 - After some time Mr. Muaddib (and maybe other members of past FitCD forum @kvcd.net) asked for some slight changes/developments on some of the program features. 7 - Mr. Shh (politely or not!) informed the other members that since the source was available they could do the changes themselves (3rd person/plural because I wasn't even registered here) 8 - Mr. Muaddib reacted to this behaviour by making the changes himself and maintaining "his" new program under GPL (his crime as it seems...) 9 - As soon as 1st Moviestacker was released Mr. Shh asks for the sources. He is given some kind of sources that I have not really understood which at this time myself. By then Mr. Shh draws back. 10 - Other releases happen... 11 - After one year Moviestacker 2.1.0 hits the 1st page of the news here and the next day here we have Mr. Shh claiming for everybody's/his rights. I mostly obbey and go by the law. But I'm also on the innocent/weaks side. And here I have to make a judgement that may not be fair: Do I stick with the law and by a margin of 10% of intellectual property support Mr. Shh? Or do I stick with the weaks that REALLY tried to help the community when it most needed (as opposed to other that didn't care!) and support what now may well be 90% of intellectual property of Mr. Muaddib on that code??? No Mr. Neo Neko you may be right or wrong and I really don't care anymore as I already know what Mr. Shh was doing here this whole time. And you have my promisse that I_will_always_support_freeware of any kind under any license and it's author. It's just that I just don't consider Moviestacker based on Mr. Shh intellectual property anymore, unless prooven wrong! @All, So you can all keep attacking each other but be warned that by the rules that support this forum I will advise the Mods/admin of anything said or done here that doesn't go by them (the rules). Remember a great saying: "Friendship is all". If we cannot be friendly let us keep our posts (at least here) civilized. May you all have a nice day PS-BTW Mr. Neo Neko. Being a Mod at Doom9, could you please see and tell us why a lot of members there seem to have difficulties understanding Mr. Jorel? I find that a big surprise because although his English is not perfect noone ever mistreated him here as I've seen at Doom9 even by those who are not regular members, out of not understanding him. Please be so kind to see what seems to be the problem regarding this subject, and advise with me. Since both me and Mr. Jorel speak Portuguese there won't be any misunderstanding and that may help him in future visits there. |
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Your words are really hash on someone that has been here on KVCD.net only helping. Then you strike on Kwag and Jorel, people that has helped others for ages. I think somethink is clear: Muaddib doesn't feel like to release the 90% of original work that now constitutes MovieStacker. But of course, you don't give a dawn, you think this guy made a mistake, used GPL code in the begining when he didn't even know how to program, Now let's make him pay :!: Who cares if he's motivation is gone if your goal is fullfiled, you're not from here anyway. Who cares if Muaddib discontinues MovieStacker, releasing sources or not? You don't use it, anyway. I understand why GPL was created and I know good things came from that. But I think you, shh and the so-called GPL supporters should understand that this is not another "Mplayer vs KISS" case. Muaddib didn't took a GPL code, did minor improvement and sold. He started a very long ago from GPL'ed code, and added so many features that the GPL'ed part became less than 10%. And still, giving away as freeware. What I see here is a massive disrespect for muaddib, for a supposed GPL defense.It's very interesting that you feel the right to have muaddib sources, regardless of GPL. I can't imagine how many hours muaddib spent working and bug-fixing his software, for you to come and say you have the right to look at his sources against his will. And yes, it's his sources. The fitCD derived work sources has been released, but it's not enough, you want it all. You are pushing Muaddib for his sources. You are making the guy feel bad, in exchange for what? If you do win, who will win in the end? So, regardless of the forum being an organization or not, regardless of what it's on GPL, if I were you, shh, I would leave this matter, just for decency. If you find someone around selling a slightly modified FitCD without source code, let me know and I'll even support you. But push a helpful person for his original work, for whatever license/reasons is wrong. |
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You bet you'll help Shh against a company selling software based on his code. And I'll support both of you. Hell (pardon my French) we'll all help and those that I name here will for sure, like Kwag, Jorel, Incredible, Glanzend, Muaddib,etc. That's our point here: the man just wanted to help for God sake! And he didn't win any money, EVER, on it! So can we all reach an agreement soon please??? Cheers |
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don’t you find it interesting that the people who back Shh, left the forum, for another forums where they can slander this forums reputation and not stick around to defend him? I tell you, they could have done so in a respectful way and no one would have deleted them. Please understand that in this forum, people are all for helping their fellow users, and yes Shh is a fellow member but for some reason as you can see everyone who was for him left to post on other forums and not sticking out for him. |
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Here are my honest thoughts on Kwag right now. Surely he is not stupid. He has built this site and it's forums. And they do contain real; usefull data. Further he has so many of you trusting him so completely you find it hard to question or disagree with him. Even when it should be obvious that you should. Doom9 alows me to help moderate some of his forum. I have alot of respect for the guy. But I am not afraid to correct or disagree with him on the rare occasion that I do. I think he would agree with that assesment. In fact in a discussion related to this verry thread I had to make a small correction. Doom9 is not perfect. He just works really hard at it. ;) All any of us on many of the forums currently quietly discussing this very thread elsewhere want to see is Kwag conceede and Muaddib and shh find a way to really work this out. |
How do I delete my account from this criminal forum?
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I will do it for you right now. Thanks, -kwag |
A Sincerity Drill :)
Excuse me, guys, I only want to share my point of view. I understand the matter is sensitive for all of us so I will just I invite you to a "sincerity exercise".
This exercise does not have anything to do with shh’s FitCD code, it merely concentrates on muaddib’s Moviestacker latest release. The drill is as follows. For every numbered sentence below, please ask yourself if it is, in your opinion, true or false. Kind of a quiz. :) Syntax: <> brackets are used to refer to the GPL license. () brackets are used to refer to points in this post. Sorry if this is confusing. :) (1) GPL is a license which developers are free to choose (they can choose others). However, if used, must be honored by software developers who do. (2) The latest version of Moviestacker was released under GPL, as can be clearly seen when installing the software. (3) As mentioned in point <3> of the included GPL, you may distribute the Program in executable form, so muaddib was playing by the book so far. (4) But in order to do (3), the very same GPL document which shows up when you install Moviestacker, requires you also do one of the following: (a) Accompany the source code. (b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to deliver the corresponding source code, or (c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code (this only applies if you received it as binary, so not in this case since it was coded my muaddib himself). (5) muaddib did (3), but did not do (4), i.e., neither (a) nor (b). (c) does not even apply, as seen above. (6) As per point <4> of the very same included GPL, you may not distribute the Program except as expressly provided under GPL. (7) As per point <4> of the very same included GPL, any attempt otherwise to distribute the Program is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under the GPL license. (8 ) muaddib distributed the software in a different form as required by the license he choose to use. So, he failed to comply with (6). (9) Since he did not comply with (6), (7) applies, so muaddib's rights under GPL were terminated. OK, that was it. How many T (true) and F (false) did you get? T+F should add up 9. :) |
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We all know about his excelent filter(s). What does it have to do with this issue :?: -kwag |
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Hey, Hello
Ok people, Please stay on topic, this is about MovieStacker, and FitCd forget everything else. Lets wait for muaddib and Shh to solve the issue. Somebody left? To bad so sad, how many post did he have again, how many people did he helped? |
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