Hi Yoda,

In FitCD, I choose SVCD (480 x 480) with overscan blocks set to 2. Then load the x3 template in TMPGEnc and change the default encode res to 480 x 480, as well. The sample I made looked great. I am now encoding the entire movie and am optimistic that the rest will look great, too.

Do you have a Mintek1600?

Good luck.
100571

100571,

No but my daughter has a Daewoo that only plays 352x240. Thought I might give your suggestion for the 480x480 a try.

-Yoda

Yoda,
If the Daewoo does not play KVCDx3, try selecting 3/4 DVD Full in FitCD and then changing the resolution to 544x480 in TMPGEnc. This works perfectly for me and others and produces great results.

A-Star

Yep, DVD 3/4 Full setting in FitCD with KVCDx3 works in APEX 600A also.
I tried CQ 12 and its almost same as CQ 30 in a Sony 27" TV.

kwag you haven't mentioned this on the templates page, but whats the average time per cd for the new x3 templates?

Yes I did!, on the announcement here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1041
60 to 65 minutes per disk ( wide screen ).

-kwag

For a widescreen movie do you need to change the aspect ratio to 16:9 for source and output :?:

Kwag! Great template! I used cq 25 for Art Of War and the display is just perfect :D ! I think you have finally found it, now if I can just get the audio out of Mediator to work I'll be done. It would be great if DVD2AVI would break out the audio link to the video the way mediator does and TmpgEnc would sync a/v back together without the extra steps.
By the way, any thoughts on the new "superbit" dvds. Looks like you won't be able to get down to 2 cd's with this kind of high res. Eventually all dvd's will be superbit because they will increase the amount of space on the dvd's themselves. Several new technologies are coming to the market soon. Something like 22gb per disk. 8O

-Yoda

I wasn't on about that you haven't mentioned anywhere, I meant you hadn't mentioned it on the templates page.

:oops: Page updated :wink:

-kwag

KVCDx3 Templates on APEX 1100W
 

Burned some clips with the MPEG1 template as-is (except for some clipping w/ masks), and the video was a scrambled mess on my Apex 1100W.

Tweaking the templates now. I'll make sure to let you guys know how it goes (and I mean it this time!)

For the record, the same encoded clips work GREAT when played back in a Sony DVP-S530D (burned to a CDRW)... slightly blocky during really sudden, fast motions, but I think my source is to blame.

Thanks for the hard work! :D

markums2k,
Try the MPEG-2 for your Apex.

-kwag

For any VCD (KVCD), leave the output aspect to 4:3. For input aspect, if you use FitCD, you don't worry about it. Leave at "Full Screen"

-kwag

Results
 

I'll try that right now. The MPEG1 templates work on the 1100W if you lower the resolution to the standard 352x240. The sad thing is, the video doesn't look too hot anymore. It works though. Someone may want to suggest some other resolutions to try.

Up next, MPEG2.

MPEG2 on Apex
 

Okay, the MPEG2 template doesn't work as-is. I changed the res to the standard 480x480, and... wow. 8O

Looks a ton better than what I'm used to from SVCDs, BUT the video is very inconsistant. Picture will sway from DVD-quality sharpness and clarity to heavy edge artifacts for seemingly no reason. Edges will "block up" even when there's no motion. It's very strange.

Obviously, the Apex doesn't take kindly to non-standard resolutions.

I'm already using 100% compliant settings, and the MPEG1 quality does not justify the cross-over to non-compliant VCDs for me. If anyone is looking to fit more per CD, though, lowering the res on the MPEG1 template cuts the file size in half (or-- at least it did in all my tests), but you definitely sacrifice some of the image quality.

I'm open for suggestions for further testing on the Apex.

Hi markums2k,

You might just want to go with the SKVCD template for your Apex :idea:

-kwag

Just change the 3/4 to the full ie 544 and it works great on an APEX 1000 and 1500...MPEG1. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmmmm why does FitCD show a 16:9 as a 1:1? Movie is Ice Age (DVD Rip).

Because it won't make a difference if you select 1:1 or full screen, because FitCD's script is already feeding TMPEG with the correct aspect.

-kwag

Kwag,

Thanks for the good job.

Unfortunately, KVCDx3 templates seem not to work with my Pioneer DV-444. I have tested your samples, mine, both in small and full 3/4, both in MPEG1 and MPEG2 but no luck :(
The issue is that the image is not horizontally expanded to cover the full screen, so the visible part is only 3/4 of the horizontal resolution, although in very high quality :wink: .

Anyone there with a 444 had success with the new templates?

Thanks in advance,

Luis

Huh?
 

Change the 3/4 to the full ie 544, I don't know what that means! Is this a setting in TMPGEnc? Are you talking about the resolution? Sorry for my horrible ignorance... I've been faking my way through life for so long! :D

Hi markums2k,
These are the settings on FitCD.

-kwag

Luis, This may have something to do with you selecting TV Blocks Overscan to 2 in FitCD. Try setting it to 1 and 0 and then see what the results are. I had the same problem.

A-Star

Howdy!
I noticed your new KVCDx3 MPEG-2 PAL template nevertheless has Video Format set to NTSC. Is this an error or a special tweak?

And while questions are in order, if this template is mpeg-2, would it not be better to have it interlaced instead of the present non-interlace?

Also, I noticed the motion search is set to motion estimate search (fast). Would there be an advantage to setting this to normal or slow settings?

vbest regards,
vignes

Thanks vignes :oops:
Again stupidity strikes me 8O
It's fixed. Template and updated the .zip file.
Yes, it's now set to interlaced. For motion estimation, I've found that the "Fast" mode does a better job reducing artifacts around edges.

-kwag

Hi Kwag

Most of my DVD sources are NTSC 29.970 fps Interlaced.
Most of these DVD are created from Wide-screen movie sources of India (which uses PAL TVs).

Would it be better not to apply IVTC and encode them as Interlaced
with MPEG-2_NTSC_KVCDx3 template.

I was doing SmartRipper->DVD2AVI->FitCD (IVTC Telecide filter added)->TMPGEnc w/ MPEG-2_NTSC_KVCDx3 template.

It also saves encode time by 50% less if I dont use Telecide.

Anyway, i will give it shot by using interlaced
Pl. advice.
TIA

Talking about the KVCDx3_MPEG2:
If the source is NTSC interlaced, it's better to leave encode as interlace,
but if it's not interlaced, it's better to set 3:2 pulldown.
Am I right? :roll: :?:

Yes, and that's why I left the default on the MPEG-2 template as 3:2 pulldown, assuming most encodes would be from FILM 24fps :wink:

-kwag

I didn't understood the last one... you mean not to deinterlace interlaced movies? and if its is film make 3:2 pull down?????' what does that mean?

Thanks!
DaDe.

Sorry, I dont get it.

1. If I am using MPEG-2 template, should I de-interlace it or not?
2. If it is 29.970fps Interlaced NTSC (Not >95% Film) and this DVD is created from an Indian theatrical movie source (PAL is TV format in India),
should I use force film or not? I am doing Telecide+Decimate and its OK but If I could use Force Film, the encode will be lot faster.

Please help

TIA

DaDe & gopalkk

If you use the MPEG-2 template, and the movie is FILM, you encode at 23.976 with the 3:2 pulldown enabled.
If your movie is 29.97 interlaced, then you encode at 29.97 interlaced
If DVD2AVI says >95% FILM, don't use Telecide and Decimate. Just set "Force FILM" and then encode at 23.976 with the 3:2 flag. Again, this is only related to MPEG-2.

-kwag

Having mentioned about interlaced mpeg-2 KVCDx3, I have tried to encoded a ripped DVD (29.97, NTSC, interlaced) by using KVCDx3 mpeg-2 template, I also selected interlace in Tmpeg (encoding method), but I still see combing effect in regular 29" TV. I think I have heard somewhere in this forum that I won't see those combing effect if it is encoded as interlaced when viewing on TV. Have I done anything wrong? I am tired of being suffered from those "ghosting" effect caused by de-interlacing.

You must burn as SVCD. Not as VCD. SVCD supports interlaced video. VCD's do not.

-kwag

Kwag,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I did burn as SVCD, I still have combing effect. Does it have anything to do with the DVD player?

What happens if you make a standard interlaced SVCD 480x480 from that source. Does it still show the same effect?

-kwag

I will give try it tonight and will let you know the result, thanks!

My source is DVD created from Indian theatrical movies

Aspect Ratio= 4:3
Frame Rate= 29.970 fps
Video Type= NTSC
Current Type=
Frame Type= Interlaced

I have been successful using Telecide+Decimate to apply pulldown.

gopalkk,
Would you please give me the exact script that you used in FitCD to deal with interlaced NTSC DVDs, 50% of the DVDs available in my town are in this format, I hate de-interlacing!

For your information, I use Smartripper-->DVD2AVI-->FitCD-->VirtualDub-->Tmpeg. Thanks!

add Those three lines at exact same place in FitCD output.

Kwag, correct me If i am loosing quality with these filters.

LoadPlugin("D:\DVD2AVI186\\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\mpeg\baghat singh\bagath.d2v")

LoadPlugin("D:\DVD2AVI186\decomb.dll")
Telecide(reverse=false,swap=false,firstlast=false, post=true,threshold=15,dthreshold=9,blend=true,chr oma=false,y0=0,y1=0)
Decimate(cycle=5,mode=0,threshold=0)

BilinearResize(496,448,0,2,704,476)
#TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(24,16,24,16)

Does this script change the frame rate from 29.97 to 23.97? What frame rate should I use in Tmpeg then? Does this script for KVCDx3 mpeg-1 or mpeg-2? If it is for KVCDx3 mpeg-2, do I select 3:2 pulldown or interlace? Many thanks!