checking the anamorphic output box when FitCD determines source is anamorphic?
 

Kwag,

Boy am I eager to check this out. Curious though. When I have used the other templates I have been checking the anamorphic output box when FitCD determines that the source is anamorphic. You have not (per your attached screen shot). Also, I usually use no cropping, but you have used accurate. Should this be the case with the new X3 template if one wished to retain the same AR as the source?

Thanks.
100571

Re: kvcdX3
 

I never use anamorphic destination on KVCD's, because many TV's don't understand the aspect when playing from a VCD.
Try the other values as they are. You'll be surprised at the results. Like the sample provided :wink:

-kwag

what video arrange mode is good to use with the kvcdx3 ,in tmpgenc and what is the dif between full screen keep aspect ratio 2 and 1

KVCDx3-MPEG-2-PAL
 

Hi kwag!

I've just tested your brand new templates on two standalone:

the mpeg2 one works very well on a cheap Cybercom 4931 and
the quality is very good.
On the some player the mpeg1 gives some troubles
(a copy shifted on the diagonal of the screen) only on
titles over black background playback.

Sadly enough when played on the Grundig GDV130 the some
clips are both scrambled blocks.

On the some player, the 704x576 'plus' template worked as DVD
(apart little sound problems then solved) but produced shifted copy
when played on the Cybercom 4931 I bought as bargain for my
parents!!

Hope this is useful for other people when choosing players.

Many thanks again for your work! :)

ciao
Ale

p.s.: your 'matrix' sample mpeg1 gives the same results:
plays very well on Cybercom and as a bunch of blocks
on the Grundig

Is there any REAL differance between the mpeg1 and the mpeg2 version besides the fact that one is mpeg2 and one is mpeg1? Will they both give the EXACT SAME outcome?

Use FitCD, and leave the templates full screen, as they are set.
The proper aspect is then provided by the FitCD script.

-kwag

Quality wise, they're almost the same. File size is larger with the MPEG-2. About 1MB more per minute. So the MPEG-1 is the best for space savings.

-kwag

By the way, how many minutes can I expect from X3???

....The average time per 80 minute CD-R is 60 to 65 minutes.
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1041

-kwag

New Template
 

Just tested with a DVD-RAM VRO file and it played back great on a Panasonic E20, Panasonic LV55, Panasonic RV32 and a Pioneer DV343, JVC 36 standard TV and a Sony Rear Projection 61", picture was great. Started with Digital Cable, no changes were made to your template.

Aloha
Bud

New Template x3
 

Kwag

Ditto on the GREAT picture with all the samples, all played back on my Panasonic LV55, Panasonic RV32, Panasonic E20, Pioneer DV343, Sony 61" Rear Projection TV, Standard 36" JVC. I just don't have any problems with any templates.


Aloha
Bud

This is good news Bud :D ,
Seems the x3 is the most compatible of all 8O
I'm getting the same results 8O
Thanks for the data. Just updated the DVD models page :wink:

-kwag

i just downloaded the kvcdx3 samples and they r great. i just had one question im one of the few ppl who dont use fit cd and avisynth i just wanted to know if the same results could be acheived just by encodeing the .d2v file in tmpgenc with the kvcdx3 template.

Tried in APEX 600A. MPEG-2, its playing but not aligned in TV showing only part of the picture and left half is hidden. Could it be due to no audio as I did not put audio in it?

MPEG-1 sample seems to play but I cant see it at all as its huge colored blocks in between some picture blocks. Donno why, can I do something here.

I will try again but as of now only SKVCD works in APEX 600A.

BTW, today I found that even SKVCD video skips now and then but not horrible like other formats.

Should we all try to stick with compatible DVD players, then.

why X=528 ?
 

hi KWAG

thanx for informing us about the new
x3 templates.

I took a look into the template and I wonder
why X=528 is choosen for Video.width.

All lower res X width are multiples of
32, so 320, 352, 480, 704 are all valid
sizes conforming to EIA or CCIR
standard. 528 is totaly undefined anywhere.

Maybe some S/A players will agree to work
but the more you stand appart to standards
to more likely you'll be left on your own
somedays.

So what's the resaon for X=528 ?

Obrigado

Bud,

The sample you played on the Pioneer 343, did you burn it as a VCD or SVCD?

I just tried the Matrix sample burned as an xVCD and I got the half screen effect.

Re: why X=528 ?
 

There are a few reasons. First, the quality is superior to CVD and SVCD. So now we won't get comments such as "It's softer than a SVCD" from some people, because it's sharper than the best SVCD.
Second, the resolution is called 3/4 DVD. If you use FitCD, you'll see it in the aspects settings. Actually there are two: 3/4 DVD large, and 3/4 DVD small. The small ( 528x480 ) works best. I tried in all my 5 S/A DVD players, and plays flawlessly. As I commented earlier, even the Panasonic RP-56 plays the MPEG-2 version of the x3, burned as a SVCD 8O .
And this player is not supposed to play SVCD. Actually, if you try to play a standard SVCD, it jumps and skips everywhere. The same applies to the Panasonic DMR-E20. This one, plays SVCD for like 2 seconds, then loops back and stays in a loop, playing the same section over and over again. But again, it plays the x3 correctly! Both MPEG-1 and MPEG-2.
Third, it's the best resolution/quality/bitrate combination of all. Lower resolutions you start to loose quality. Higher resolutions, you start to see some blocks on very high speed scenes. So really, this is the cross over point, or the peak resolution, in combination with the Q. Matrix and long GOP.
Fourth, I love non-standards 8) ( Maybe that's why my favorite programming language is FORTH 8O )

-kwag

I de/remultiplexed the Matrix sample to SVCD with TMPGEnc and burned as SVCD with VCDeasy. This played on my pioneer 343 and looks really good.

So Kwag, are we better off encoding as mpeg 1 and then multiplexing to mpeg 2, or just use the mpeg 2 template?

kwag could you possibly post an mpeg2 sample so I can try it on my panny RA71.

mpeg1 looks absolutely amazing on it.

Hi Pike,
For a quick and dirty test, just take any of the samples and re-encode it with the KVCDx2 MPEG-2 template :wink:

-kwag

What the hell!!!

I'm wondering where this is going to end? Very good job teacher! Every day you get closer to the perfect backup!

By the way, i thought the resolution was called 3/4 DVD and not 1/3 DVD but maybe i'm wrong, please let me now. I will test your new templates as soon as possible, and see if they are played by my konka(not a toy) cause the KVCDx2 never played, but with CQ instead of CQ_VBR they played flawlessly, but the quality will never be the same.

Felicitaciones!! Now KVCDXtreme has nothing to do with other templates, i think this will be soon shutting detractors mouth! And will be the perfect choice for everyone, even the idiot ones, you know who i'm talking about.

Saludos!
DaDe.

Hi kwag,

just did a quick test with a 3 min Chapter of Blade and coverted it with the x3 MPEG1 PAL Template and burned as non standard VCD. My Daewoo DVG-6000D doesn´t seem to like that format.. The Picture is totally "blocked" and screwed up...

This DVD-Machine accepted all other KVCD Formats, guess it´s the X res of x3 Template...

So, I´ll do a MPEG2 Test with your new Template and edit the result in
here...

So, did the MPEG2 x3 Test and I must admit: NO WAY that the Dawoo likes it! The Picture´s black with green stripes over TV Screen...

But here ist a Screenshot of the MPEG2 Result of KVCDx3 PAL (Judge for yourself):


http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif


CU
Easy123

Thanks again DaDe!, and thanks for pointing out the typos :oops: , I fixed it. Yes it's 3/4 DVD, not 1/3. Just too much work lately :P

Saludos, :wink:
-kwag

Great Easy123,
Let us know!,
-kwag

@100571,

Encode a sample with the x3 MPEG-2.
See if you get the same results.

-kwag

Kwag,

Sorry, if my post above isn't the easiest to read. Just wanted to add that I am unable to encode to SVCD, so when I inquired about 480x480 my intent is to encode and burn as VCD. Whatta you think?

Thanks.

100571

Nero
 

m0rdant


All samples were burned via Nero SVCD Non-Compliant, this is what I use all the time even with the older templates, and it seems to work for everything.

Aloha
Bud

apex 1500........
 

I havent tried the mpeg1 version of kvcdx3 yet, but the mpeg2 version doesnt play on my apex 1500.. the screen is absolutley screwed up and im pretty convinced that its the resolution.

Kwag.. Should I try takin the rez down to 480x480 and use FitCd to make it think its a SVCD instead of a 3/4 DVD? Would that screw things up more?

Im pretty sure that the Apex machine have REALLY STRICT mpeg standards :) Id though it would work with this in mpeg2.. Hmmm...

tks

Well, here I am again... For my Part I found the Solution why my Daewoo doesn´t play the MPEG1 Template correctly. It was the X resolution.. I tok the 352x576 resolution and everything was played fine and the quality was very good...

So, I guess the Templates need a little tweaking to get it run on any DVD-Player...

CU
Easy123

Did you burn the MPEG-2 as SVCD or VCD?

-kwag

kwag,
With this template file sizes have jumped, can't get "Art of War" on even 2 cds, it's going to require 3 for a 117 min movie. Got to admit the resolution is as good as the original dvd. Have you encoded a full movie yet?

-yoda

"The Matrix" Audio 192Kbps ( Some end credits cut off ) ( 2 CD's )
"Kate & Leopold" Audio 128Kbps ( All end credits cut off ) ( 2 CD's )

Processed with the sample FitCD screenshot that I posted. With 2 overscan blocks.

The CQ_VBR value of 30 was chosen to provide maximum quality. Even on a HDTV. As you said, just like the original. You may lower the value to 20 ( No less! ), and still achieve excelent results on regular TV's, and extend the capacity per CD-R by more that 50%. Only on a HDTV you start to notice some artifacts by lowering this value.

-kwag

@kwag

I burned this Template as non compliant VCD with Nero (as it was the MPEG1 Template) and it work... Will do another test tomorrow...

Edit 29.08.02
I just did a test on 3/4 full (544x576) and it actually works on my Daewoo.. So I will do a full Movie during the next days...


Easy123

Hi guys .I tried my captured film (mini DV) to encode in TMPGInc with KVCDx3-MPEG-1-NTSCFilm.mcf
KVCDx3-MPEG-2-NTSCFilm.mcf and bouth times the playback on my Panasonic RV 31 is jerky. I want to know from where I can take sample files or perhaps movies to encode with TMPGInc. Please help
.

You can't encode from DV with the template as it is. DV is 29.97fps Interlaced.
You must deinterlace, and encode at 29.97fps.

-kwag

Bud, just to clarify...

Did you de/remuliples as SVCD then burn, or did you burn the mpeg1 file directly as non-standard SVCD?

Thanks.

Burn
 

m0rdant

I use the templates "As Is" and just burn as non-compliant. Here is the stepts I use

From my DVD-RAM:

Copy the VRO to my HD
Run DVD2AVI
Run through FitCD
Make Mods to the Script file
Run through TMPGEnc with KVCD te

mplaste (I only change the CQ at times to fit a 96 min movie on one CD in SVCD format) other that that no changes
Burn with Nero as non-compliant


With DVD Rip's

Smaretripper
DVD2AVI
TEMPGEnc w/KVCD templates
Burn with Nero non-complaint

The results I get for all the above I have no reason to use de/remuliples, most of my CD's I watch one tiem and pass along to my friends, I do not keep very many.


Aloha
Bud

Kwag,

I got your x3 template to work on my Mintek 1600 by using 480 x 480. I am now encoding "The New Guy" and will let you know how the final product looks when finished.

Thanks again for the great work!
100571

@100571
Are you using FitCD and selecting 480x480 there?
How's the quality?

-Yoda