Re: One last quick question
 

Yes. If the DVD contains pure interlaced material (i.e. 29.97fps non-telecined, usually from a video camera) you definitely shouldn't use force film. The most common problem, though, is so-called "hybrid" material, which is mainly 23.976 telecined but containing parts that are pure interlaced. The latter kind of material usually shows up during scenes with special effects or captions.

If you use force film on such hybrid material then most of it will look ok, but any part that was originally pure interlaced will have interlace artifacts in the resulting encode (they mostly show up as jagged vertical edges, especially during camera pans).

With such hybrid material the only way to ensure that everything is processed properly is to not use force film and do the inverse telecine with Telecide and Decimate from the Decomb package. Telecide does a very good job of detecting when the material switches from telecined to pure interlace and you end up with no interlace artifacts in the final encode.

If you have no idea what I'm talking about when I say "telecine" or "pure interlace" you should probably ask Dr Google -- there are some very good online guides giving an introduction to interlace issues.

Thanks SansGrip
 

Thanks SansGrip,

this is just a bit advanced for me... I've been reading on it, and I am a bit lost. Since I am more on a "user" level, I guess I will keep doing it with "Force Film" option until I encounter a problem, and then either learn how to do the whole process, or do a simple VCD... he he :lol:

Anyway, I appreciate all the useful information!

On a lighter note, I just did Spider Man, however, that 2 hour movie turned to 1,350MB... :lol: I guess I am still not clear if I could lower the CQ 60, or maybe learn how to use FitCD I guess.

Maybe Kwag can tell me if there is a simple rule I can follow that would help me, such as if movie > 100 min., use CQ50 for one cdr, if movie < 100 min. use CQ 60 for one CDR... :lol:

Anyway, I'll just split it and put it on two CDs, the quality is simply amazing, I can't complain.

Thanks again! :wink:

Re: Thanks SansGrip
 

Hi Godfather411,

Read a little on file size prediction here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2102 :wink:

-kwag

Hi Kwag, thanks
 

Thanks Kwag, that was very helpful, however, it seems like it takes time and few steps... I don't really care that much to take all that time for every movie... so my question is, is there any basic rules, that you guys could tell me so I don't get suprised with 2000MB file sizes... For instance, if the movie is less than 1 hour 30 min, use CQ 60, if the movie is less than 2 hours, use CQ 50, and if it's more than 2 hours, use CQ 40.. or something similar. I know that is not exact, but you get the drift. Or at least maybe you can tell me what is the minimum acceptable CQ level, and what is the maximum in your use. Or if you always use the same CQ 60, what is the minimum max rate you use, let's say 1500kbs and what is the max, let's say 2800... that will give me at least a general idea where to go. Its just less time consuming and work consuming to do it that way, at least for me. I understand that it's not easy to predict since every movie has a different number of total frames, and action scenes make a difference as well, but at least it will give me a general idea what is the max and min value I can use with that template, and still accomplish decent picture quality. I can alway trim the final size of the movie cutting the end credits, beginning bs and so on after the file is done, if I still need to trim a bit more....

thanks a lot :lol:

Okay folks! There is another cheat 8) for the APEX 1500 and 1000. When you encode the AVI file in TMPGENC, Choose 25fps and set the PAL 4:3 625 line "flag" for both the source and the output files.

APEX will play it with no problem and you do not need to switch to PAL. I have been using the 352x240 LBR template with very high Q settings and it allows about 120 min with 500 min bit and between 1800-2200 max.

Another trick is to extract the audio to MP2 with VirtualDub & BeSweet ~10min then encode ONLY the video (video only option) with TMPGEnc and merge them with the tools part of TMPGEnc ~10 min. REASON: I have found this combo encodes the Video at ~75% of the real run time. So, a 100 min movie should encode in about 75 min + 10-20min for audio work and merging and DONE!

If I remember correctly, TMPGEnc took about 2-3 hours to do the same.

One more question for Kwag
 

Kwag - Please let me know what are the lowest settings on your template x3... if you want to still have somewhat decent quality but fit about 2 hours... FitCD seems to be too complicated and time consuming, perhaps I could just guess if I knew what are the CQ minimum settings for that template. I understand they are different depending on the source and all, but from general experience, what have you seen them to be in 2 hr. movie... So far I'm having great success for about 90 min. with CQ65 just the way the template is posted. Could I go to CQ60? Or lower? So I can squeze another 30 min. in there? :D
Let me know,

thanks