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gamemaniaco 04-01-2015 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37381)
That's actually not at all true. There are several ways to test longevity with a great certainty.

Once a disc is burned, and confirmed to be good, it should last a minimum of 30 years. But that's just a cheaply made disc. The better the disc, the longer it last. It is doubtful that many will last 100 years, but it's not much different that video tape -- 35-65 years.

Sure, a disc may last 100 years or more, but I'm talking about media with a 99-100% integrity. Not just a disc/tape with any portion still readable, or in need of recovery.

The idea that a disc only last 5-10 years is ridiculous, and is traced to IBM propaganda from the early 2000s.

compared a dvd-r disc Verbatim AZO x dvd-r Philips cmc how many years old they can resist and store files? the dye degrades and the reflective layer degrades

lordsmurf 04-01-2015 09:46 PM

You're not seeing complete picture. The dye alone is not the main factor. A factor, yes, but not the only one.

CMC uses an azoic dye as well. But the problem comes from poor QC and inferior bonding glues. Verbatim doesn't cheap out like CMC does.

Ritek used to cheap out even worse than CMC, but has since come to its senses.

Reflective layer does not degrade. I don't where you're getting this. Certainly not this site.

Given all this, your questions come across as nonsense.

gamemaniaco 04-02-2015 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37388)
You're not seeing complete picture. The dye alone is not the main factor. A factor, yes, but not the only one.

CMC uses an azoic dye as well. But the problem comes from poor QC and inferior bonding glues. Verbatim doesn't cheap out like CMC does.

Ritek used to cheap out even worse than CMC, but has since come to its senses.

Reflective layer does not degrade. I don't where you're getting this. Certainly not this site.

Given all this, your questions come across as nonsense.

the glue of azo Verbatim is better than glue philips CMC? the glue is the main factor for the durability of dvd-r? the reflective layer does not degrade? from what I read the reflective layer is organic as the dye is also

sanlyn 04-02-2015 08:55 AM

You read wrong. The reflective layer is polycartbonate plastic and the underside of the layer is coated with aluminum.

Your questions were already answered, answered several times here and in other forums, and the answers haven't changed. Why do you keep repeating the same questions? What's your problem?

If you don't like the recommended Verbatim AZO DVD-R, buy something else.

gamemaniaco 04-02-2015 09:00 AM

1 the aluminum dvd-r is organic? the plastic is not organic, has disks that use gold and silver not aluminum

2 I like Verbatim, I just want to better understand the composition of dvd-r

3 which is the glue that Verbatim AZO use? which glue the Philips CMC Magnetics cmc mag m01

lordsmurf 04-02-2015 11:06 PM

@gamemaniaco:
- Verbatim glue/bonding is better than CMC, yes. We've already been over this.
- There is no such animal as "aluminum dvd-r". I have no idea where you're getting that.
- Buy Verbatim. It's the best you can buy. The end.

@sanlyn:
Yeah, I don't get it either. There's nothing inherently worse about Brazil. The humidity isn't any worse than many places in the U.S., including my home state of Texas. It's often hot as hell in the summer, and so humid that you can feel the water in the air. My discs are fine. I store them in a temperature-controlled home or office. The only time you find humidity issues is when you store discs in a garage, barn, attic, or other stupid place.

gamemaniaco 04-03-2015 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37417)
@gamemaniaco:
- Verbatim glue/bonding is better than CMC, yes. We've already been over this.
- There is no such animal as "aluminum dvd-r". I have no idea where you're getting that.
- Buy Verbatim. It's the best you can buy. The end.

@sanlyn:
Yeah, I don't get it either. There's nothing inherently worse about Brazil. The humidity isn't any worse than many places in the U.S., including my home state of Texas. It's often hot as hell in the summer, and so humid that you can feel the water in the air. My discs are fine. I store them in a temperature-controlled home or office. The only time you find humidity issues is when you store discs in a garage, barn, attic, or other stupid place.

1 CMC manufactures DVD-R for Verbatim, which is the glue used in this DVD? is the bad glue CMC or is it glue?

2 I can not control the humidity and temperature to store the DVDs, I live in northeastern Brazil and here is hot as Texas and in the rainy season the humidity rises too

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 06:23 AM

CMC = bad
Verbatim = good

Store the discs in your home, not outside. You have air conditioning, correct? More important than temperature adjustment, it also helps remove a lot of moisture from the air. So the humidity outside is not at all the same as the humidity inside.

If you don't have air conditioning, yeah, you're screwed, your DVDs will die early. (So will everything else you own.)

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 06:40 AM

I do not have air conditioning

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37458)
CMC = bad
Verbatim = good

Store the discs in your home, not outside. You have air conditioning, correct? More important than temperature adjustment, it also helps remove a lot of moisture from the air. So the humidity outside is not at all the same as the humidity inside.

If you don't have air conditioning, yeah, you're screwed, your DVDs will die early. (So will everything else you own.)

I do not have air conditioning, what to do?

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 09:17 AM

Aside from getting A/C, there's nothing you can do about this.

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37481)
Aside from getting A/C, there's nothing you can do about this.

If I do not have air conditioning dvd-r verbatim will have a reduced durability of a few years?

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 09:24 AM

Yep. All media will -- discs, tapes, hard drives, etc. Pretty much everything you own has a reduced lifespan, be it plastic dishes in the cupboard or your computer. Them's the breaks, I guess.

Just buy the best you can, and cross your fingers. The sooner it gets to a temp-controlled environment, the better it will be.

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37484)
Yep. All media will -- discs, tapes, hard drives, etc. Pretty much everything you own has a reduced lifespan, be it plastic dishes in the cupboard or your computer. Them's the breaks, I guess.

Just buy the best you can, and cross your fingers. The sooner it gets to a temp-controlled environment, the better it will be.

which temperature is good to store dvd-r verbatim without losing useful life?

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 09:34 AM

Ideal is 60-70F. 75-80F at most.
Humidity (RH) under 50%

Moisture is worse than the heat. Perhaps you need to invest in silica gel.

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37487)
Ideal is 60-70F. 75-80F at most.
Humidity (RH) under 50%

Moisture is worse than the heat. Perhaps you need to invest in silica gel.

the temperature here can reach 45 degrees

what is 60-70F. 75-80F? how many degrees?

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 09:40 AM

F = Fahrenheit. That's what the U.S. uses. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
Use Google to find Celsius/Centigrade numbers.

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 09:50 AM

the temperature supported a maximum of 26.67 ° C, above that which occurs with the dvd-r verbatim? I do not have to control the temperature, it oscillates night and day

dadasalam 04-17-2015 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gamemaniaco (Post 37491)
the temperature supported a maximum of 26.67 ° C, above that which occurs with the dvd-r verbatim? I do not have to control the temperature, it oscillates night and day

You Must Use Gold Disc TO Resist Against The Humidity And Tempretur That Would Not Be Cheap Disc .

lordsmurf 04-18-2015 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dadasalam (Post 37705)
You Must Use Gold Disc TO Resist Against The Humidity And Tempretur That Would Not Be Cheap Disc .

Gold doesn't do anything for humidity (or anything else). The bonding goes first.
Glue + humidity = comes apart


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