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gamemaniaco 02-19-2015 08:15 AM

Verbatim DVD media is good? Original and not fake?
 
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This media dvd Verbatim is good and original?

in a Brazilian site I found the media Verbatim to buy but I do not know if it is good and original, the website that sells the media sent me a photo of the pack, see:

lordsmurf 02-19-2015 08:16 AM

The very best. :)

gamemaniaco 02-19-2015 08:18 AM

this pack is produced by CMC Magnetics or another brand? I am in doubt whether I should get this pack in brazil

lordsmurf 02-19-2015 09:38 AM

No, it's not manufactured by CMC.
Mitsubishi (MCC) makes it.

Read this: http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm

gamemaniaco 03-30-2015 07:00 PM

There is much difference between a DVD CMC and a DVD Mitsubishi?

DVD Verbatim Mitsubishi is good for long-term archiving? how old a DVD verbatim mitsubishi can store my files without any problems?

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This DVD-R Verbatim is good and original? see the link: http://www.linharesvideo.com.br/x__D...C-10-1344.html

lordsmurf 03-30-2015 09:08 PM

If it has the AZO logo, it should be excellence. In fact, the best media you can buy.

gamemaniaco 03-31-2015 07:21 AM

this dvd-r has the logo AZO, this media is mitsubishi azo dye?

sanlyn 03-31-2015 11:34 AM

That question has already been answered, several times and in other threads that you posted. AZO is a trademark process used by Verbatim. See post #5, above. The answer is yes.

gamemaniaco 03-31-2015 11:39 AM

AZO can be used by CMC on this disc DVD-R Verbatim?

AZO is organic or inorganic?

sanlyn 03-31-2015 03:59 PM

Organic. You could have found that yourself on the internet. http://www.allianceorganics.com/pigments.html

Quote:

The main source of organic pigments are plants and plant products whereas inorganic pigments are manufactured from topical cosmetic and also from dirt.
- http://www.dyes-pigments.com/organic...-pigments.html

If you find that undesirable, buy something else.

gamemaniaco 03-31-2015 04:02 PM

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the packaging of the dvd-r verbatim pin does not appear written Mitsubishi, these DVDs are fakes?

the ID code of which is: MCC 03RG20

the packaging has written azo

sanlyn 03-31-2015 04:48 PM

MCC 03RG20 is an ID code used by Verbatim AZO DVD-R.

gamemaniaco 03-31-2015 06:19 PM

that id code is fake cmc? have poor quality?

sanlyn 04-01-2015 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gamemaniaco (Post 37355)
that id code is fake cmc? have poor quality?

Read post #12 again. My latest batch of 100 Verbatim AZO DVD-R's have the same code.

gamemaniaco 04-01-2015 01:09 PM

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1 how many years of durability has a dvd-r verbatim azo mitsubishi?

2 Dvd-r discs verbatim are protected from humidity stored within the Spindle?

sanlyn 04-01-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gamemaniaco (Post 37368)
1 how many years of durability has a dvd-r verbatim azo mitsubishi?

That's already been addressed in several of your threads and in multiple forums. The guess is 8 to 10 years, maybe longer, maybe 100 years. No one knows for certain. If you play that DVD every day or very frequently, make a backup disc just in case.

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Originally Posted by gamemaniaco (Post 37368)
2 Dvd-r discs verbatim are protected from humidity stored within the Spindle?

No. Spindle packaging is not airtight. None of it is, not even with the spindle in a box, but it's better than one of those DVD envelopes or disc albums. Sounds as if you need to get a dehumidifier if moisture is that bad. If necessary, put an airtight non-polyethylene plastic bag around the spindle. Websites that deal with book and disc archival materials sell products designed for archival storage. A dehumidifier is cheaper.

Verbatim AZO is designed and manufactured to higher standards and use better materials than most manufacturers. They're known for reliability, which is why they cost more and why experts use them. I have hundreds of Verbatim DVD's I made more than 10 years ago. They are still intact. One of the SONY DVD's I made 6 years ago was a physical exercise video I played quite often, and it came apart at the layers after a couple of years. I saved the video by leaving it underneath a pile of heavy books for two days to flatten the layers, and rescued the video onto my PC. All of my old SONY DVD's have been replaced with Verbatim, with no problem.

gamemaniaco 04-01-2015 01:54 PM

1 I will not play every day, I'll burn dvd-r 1 time and store forever and I was wondering how old dvd-r will store the files

2 Verbatim AZO is unstable to heat and humidity? I have no way to verify the humidity where I store the dvd discs

3 you saw the packaging of verbatim dvd-r I posted? this packaging favors humidity penetrate the discs?

sanlyn 04-01-2015 02:15 PM

DVD discs are packaged to avoid damage from shipping and the climate. They are usually wrapped on the outside with plastic or cellophane. You have to remove the wrapper to use the discs. None of them are packaged to purposely "invite" damage from the climate.

If you don't know that the humidity levels in your premises are dangerous, perhaps you should have it measured to be certain. I live in a warm area near Atlantic Ocean beaches. It gets very warm and humid here during the summer. I haven't had any problems with DVD or BluRay discs. Many of my DVD's are 15 years old. None of them are in airtight containers. They are in spindles and in albums with acid-free plastic pockets.

Why? Do you have a problem with your discs coming apart all the time? It sounds as if you live in an area with frequent sunami's, monsoons, earthquakes, and biologically unsafe bacterial conditions. I know Brazil has some climate problems, but I also have very old DVD's stored for years in the Mississippi Delta where it hits 115F often with 100% humidity and makes you sweat like a pig in mud. Even in an airtight steel container, there's no protection from heat. All the DVD's my people own down there are still working, and have been working for years. They own air conditioners for the hot weather. You should have one, too. That should be good enough, unless you're in the habit of storing your DVD's in an oven or in the trunk of you car.

gamemaniaco 04-01-2015 02:22 PM

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see photo packing my dvd-r verbatim, this packaging is not airtight so I was concerned that the humidity penetrated the discs what's the name of that package?

lordsmurf 04-01-2015 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sanlyn (Post 37369)
The guess is 8 to 10 years, maybe longer, maybe 100 years. No one knows for certain.

That's actually not at all true. There are several ways to test longevity with a great certainty.

Once a disc is burned, and confirmed to be good, it should last a minimum of 30 years. But that's just a cheaply made disc. The better the disc, the longer it last. It is doubtful that many will last 100 years, but it's not much different that video tape -- 35-65 years.

Sure, a disc may last 100 years or more, but I'm talking about media with a 99-100% integrity. Not just a disc/tape with any portion still readable, or in need of recovery.

The idea that a disc only last 5-10 years is ridiculous, and is traced to IBM propaganda from the early 2000s.

gamemaniaco 04-01-2015 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37381)
That's actually not at all true. There are several ways to test longevity with a great certainty.

Once a disc is burned, and confirmed to be good, it should last a minimum of 30 years. But that's just a cheaply made disc. The better the disc, the longer it last. It is doubtful that many will last 100 years, but it's not much different that video tape -- 35-65 years.

Sure, a disc may last 100 years or more, but I'm talking about media with a 99-100% integrity. Not just a disc/tape with any portion still readable, or in need of recovery.

The idea that a disc only last 5-10 years is ridiculous, and is traced to IBM propaganda from the early 2000s.

compared a dvd-r disc Verbatim AZO x dvd-r Philips cmc how many years old they can resist and store files? the dye degrades and the reflective layer degrades

lordsmurf 04-01-2015 09:46 PM

You're not seeing complete picture. The dye alone is not the main factor. A factor, yes, but not the only one.

CMC uses an azoic dye as well. But the problem comes from poor QC and inferior bonding glues. Verbatim doesn't cheap out like CMC does.

Ritek used to cheap out even worse than CMC, but has since come to its senses.

Reflective layer does not degrade. I don't where you're getting this. Certainly not this site.

Given all this, your questions come across as nonsense.

gamemaniaco 04-02-2015 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37388)
You're not seeing complete picture. The dye alone is not the main factor. A factor, yes, but not the only one.

CMC uses an azoic dye as well. But the problem comes from poor QC and inferior bonding glues. Verbatim doesn't cheap out like CMC does.

Ritek used to cheap out even worse than CMC, but has since come to its senses.

Reflective layer does not degrade. I don't where you're getting this. Certainly not this site.

Given all this, your questions come across as nonsense.

the glue of azo Verbatim is better than glue philips CMC? the glue is the main factor for the durability of dvd-r? the reflective layer does not degrade? from what I read the reflective layer is organic as the dye is also

sanlyn 04-02-2015 08:55 AM

You read wrong. The reflective layer is polycartbonate plastic and the underside of the layer is coated with aluminum.

Your questions were already answered, answered several times here and in other forums, and the answers haven't changed. Why do you keep repeating the same questions? What's your problem?

If you don't like the recommended Verbatim AZO DVD-R, buy something else.

gamemaniaco 04-02-2015 09:00 AM

1 the aluminum dvd-r is organic? the plastic is not organic, has disks that use gold and silver not aluminum

2 I like Verbatim, I just want to better understand the composition of dvd-r

3 which is the glue that Verbatim AZO use? which glue the Philips CMC Magnetics cmc mag m01

lordsmurf 04-02-2015 11:06 PM

@gamemaniaco:
- Verbatim glue/bonding is better than CMC, yes. We've already been over this.
- There is no such animal as "aluminum dvd-r". I have no idea where you're getting that.
- Buy Verbatim. It's the best you can buy. The end.

@sanlyn:
Yeah, I don't get it either. There's nothing inherently worse about Brazil. The humidity isn't any worse than many places in the U.S., including my home state of Texas. It's often hot as hell in the summer, and so humid that you can feel the water in the air. My discs are fine. I store them in a temperature-controlled home or office. The only time you find humidity issues is when you store discs in a garage, barn, attic, or other stupid place.

gamemaniaco 04-03-2015 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37417)
@gamemaniaco:
- Verbatim glue/bonding is better than CMC, yes. We've already been over this.
- There is no such animal as "aluminum dvd-r". I have no idea where you're getting that.
- Buy Verbatim. It's the best you can buy. The end.

@sanlyn:
Yeah, I don't get it either. There's nothing inherently worse about Brazil. The humidity isn't any worse than many places in the U.S., including my home state of Texas. It's often hot as hell in the summer, and so humid that you can feel the water in the air. My discs are fine. I store them in a temperature-controlled home or office. The only time you find humidity issues is when you store discs in a garage, barn, attic, or other stupid place.

1 CMC manufactures DVD-R for Verbatim, which is the glue used in this DVD? is the bad glue CMC or is it glue?

2 I can not control the humidity and temperature to store the DVDs, I live in northeastern Brazil and here is hot as Texas and in the rainy season the humidity rises too

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 06:23 AM

CMC = bad
Verbatim = good

Store the discs in your home, not outside. You have air conditioning, correct? More important than temperature adjustment, it also helps remove a lot of moisture from the air. So the humidity outside is not at all the same as the humidity inside.

If you don't have air conditioning, yeah, you're screwed, your DVDs will die early. (So will everything else you own.)

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 06:40 AM

I do not have air conditioning

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37458)
CMC = bad
Verbatim = good

Store the discs in your home, not outside. You have air conditioning, correct? More important than temperature adjustment, it also helps remove a lot of moisture from the air. So the humidity outside is not at all the same as the humidity inside.

If you don't have air conditioning, yeah, you're screwed, your DVDs will die early. (So will everything else you own.)

I do not have air conditioning, what to do?

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 09:17 AM

Aside from getting A/C, there's nothing you can do about this.

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37481)
Aside from getting A/C, there's nothing you can do about this.

If I do not have air conditioning dvd-r verbatim will have a reduced durability of a few years?

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 09:24 AM

Yep. All media will -- discs, tapes, hard drives, etc. Pretty much everything you own has a reduced lifespan, be it plastic dishes in the cupboard or your computer. Them's the breaks, I guess.

Just buy the best you can, and cross your fingers. The sooner it gets to a temp-controlled environment, the better it will be.

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37484)
Yep. All media will -- discs, tapes, hard drives, etc. Pretty much everything you own has a reduced lifespan, be it plastic dishes in the cupboard or your computer. Them's the breaks, I guess.

Just buy the best you can, and cross your fingers. The sooner it gets to a temp-controlled environment, the better it will be.

which temperature is good to store dvd-r verbatim without losing useful life?

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 09:34 AM

Ideal is 60-70F. 75-80F at most.
Humidity (RH) under 50%

Moisture is worse than the heat. Perhaps you need to invest in silica gel.

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 37487)
Ideal is 60-70F. 75-80F at most.
Humidity (RH) under 50%

Moisture is worse than the heat. Perhaps you need to invest in silica gel.

the temperature here can reach 45 degrees

what is 60-70F. 75-80F? how many degrees?

lordsmurf 04-04-2015 09:40 AM

F = Fahrenheit. That's what the U.S. uses. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
Use Google to find Celsius/Centigrade numbers.

gamemaniaco 04-04-2015 09:50 AM

the temperature supported a maximum of 26.67 ° C, above that which occurs with the dvd-r verbatim? I do not have to control the temperature, it oscillates night and day

dadasalam 04-17-2015 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gamemaniaco (Post 37491)
the temperature supported a maximum of 26.67 ° C, above that which occurs with the dvd-r verbatim? I do not have to control the temperature, it oscillates night and day

You Must Use Gold Disc TO Resist Against The Humidity And Tempretur That Would Not Be Cheap Disc .

lordsmurf 04-18-2015 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dadasalam (Post 37705)
You Must Use Gold Disc TO Resist Against The Humidity And Tempretur That Would Not Be Cheap Disc .

Gold doesn't do anything for humidity (or anything else). The bonding goes first.
Glue + humidity = comes apart


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