Issue with Sony brand Video8 tapes, or is it?
Hi all,
New to the forums, I did try and search for a topic related to my issue but came up short. I hope I'm posting in the right place:) With that said... My dad passed away last fall and I ended up taking our 8mm video8 tapes and camcorder, to eventually convert to digital. I have successfully converted 13 of the tapes, the other half not so much. The 12 other tapes are all Sony brand tapes, they do have perfect audio, but no picture, just black. The 13 I did convert were not Sony brand tapes, Example: Kodak,Blacks,TDK,Memorex,Fuji,Genexxa. All the tapes were recorded on the same camcorder, A Sony CCD-TR30, which I used to convert the 13 "good" tapes. I cleaned the camcorder head manually multiple times over the period of converting the tapes. Some of the tapes, not all, you could see minor dirt, and stain like formations on the tapes, which I did clean in areas that were bad, and it worked. But no matter what I did with the Sony brand tapes (some tapes looked flawless) I could not get picture to come through. After trying to find info online which is limited, I decided to just play a Sony tape, and while it was in play mode, tap the rewind button, let it play a couple seconds, then tap the rewind button roughly to the same spot, let it play a couple seconds, over and over. Eventually I started seeing bits of picture coming through. I did this with a couple tapes(just sections of the tape) and it took forever to do even a few minutes worth of video, and in the end, the picture was not clear by any means, it had some snow effect and some horizontal lines. But this told me the picture is still there, just have to bring it to the surface, the right way, so to speak. I have a feeling this way can't be good for the tape or the camera. I'm thinking this could be an alignment issue with either tape guides or the head itself, or maybe the composition of the tape. I have read different companies used different types of tape compositions. I think my only option left, would be to try a video restoration company but going rates are pretty pricey, to restore the 12 other tapes, if possible. I'm out of ideas, and a noob in this area. Any suggestions are most welcomed. Note: Tapes are from 1994-2003 Sony tapes used in 1990's - 2000's have no picture, but perfect sound. Other brand tapes used in the 1990's - 2000's minor issues/some tapes playback perfectly. Tapes were done in no particular order, if there was black screen I would try another tape. All tapes were stored together. Sorry for the long post, double spaces, my eyes are not the greatest! Wanted to explain the best I could:) Thanks in advance! |
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What device are you using that shows this black screen? This is important because anything that digitally samples will puke on particularly malformed signals and drop to blue, black, etc. Mind you, certain camcorders and many VCRs will do the same thing to hide garbage signals. I found this but I dunno if it's even relevant: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci....0/cKZfVOEIdR8J Are you absolutely certain they were all recorded with this camcorder and that the Sony tapes weren't recorded on a Hi8 model? |
Hi, thanks for the response!
The device that I'm using that shows black screen with the Sony tapes, is our Sony Handycam video8 model CCD-TR30. I am using this Handycam to capture the video, which works for the 13 non Sony brand tapes. All 25 tapes were recorded with this camcorder, I'm 100% sure of this. Some of the tapes were mine but kept with the lot of them. I can pop in any of the non Sony brand tapes and there is picture, then right after, pop in a Sony brand tape and there is nothing (no video through camera lens). When I do get some picture to come through on the Sony tapes by playing, rewind, playing, rewind, multiple times while the camera is in playmode, as stated in original post, then I start thinking it might be an alignment issue. Also the picture that comes through stays there, it does not go black again. This is weird... I could try to find another handycam from around that time and see if it's the Handycam, but I have my doubts. Edit: I think i'm going to try take it apart and give it a thorough cleaning and see if that makes a difference. |
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Do you have a cell phone or other camcorder that would allow you to take a video showing what you mean regarding play/rewind/play to get it to display a picture? |
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If there is no picture from the camcorder itself, it's not going to show up on another display, in my case anyways. I have it going through diamond capture device, using virtualdub through PC. I just made a video showing my issue with Sony tapes. You will see it's black, with audio, in playback mode. Then you will see blue screens off and on, that is me tapping the rewind button on my video camcorder while still in playback mode ( not pressing stop then rewinding) you can see how the picture is gradually coming through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SEU6Xru0_k This one is from one of my non Sony brand tapes, Black's memories tape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xsAIWu3J9Q |
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http://imgur.com/l4z80gt If these tapes are Hi8 then yes that could be the problem also http://imgur.com/H8RM4G1 http://imgur.com/4d9E5DL |
Sony CCD-TR30 is per sony user guide on the web an analog video and audio camcorder.
the Hi 8 successor purported to be backward compatable to video 8 had a provision for digital audio original poster says it was recorded and played back on same camera. jostling the camera brings glimpses of the tape. Tapes in question are different brand. Are they Sony MP120? if not what specific tape part # are they? some loading issues posted on you tube for these cameras try remove battery reinstall then try sony tape again. my hunch tape has slightly different case dimensions than other brands camera not able to align tape now for whatever reason. another tactic take tape out of sony case and put in to different case different brand which works. I loves me a good mystery.:hmm: |
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Thank you for explaining my issue and what I was doing to get picture to appear, perfect!:congrats: I'm terrible at explaining stuff. The tapes(12) in question are the Sony MP120 and HG120, the above photos I took last night, and uploaded them. Today I tried what you said to do with switching tape to a working tape case, but still same thing, black screen. I put the good tape from the working tape case into the Sony tape case and it worked fine. Also out of the 25 tapes, we have 2 Fuji Hi8 tapes and 1 TDK Hi8 tape and playback works fine. I read somewhere about loose oxides on the tape after sitting for a period of time. They say to fast forward and rewind the tape a couple times start to finish so they fall off... I've tried that and same result. Maybe it is some sort of oxide or "film" you can't see that's on the tape, and when I'm jostling the camera it's slowly removing it? The picture does stay after it comes through. |
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Also you probably have a pinch roller look at that. Ideally it wont look all glossy or dirty. Maybe the sony tape is extra slippery. |
Think I may have found the issue, which would have saved a bunch of forum space..
Was playing one of the Sony tapes, was not jostling the tape, and a couple seconds of image appeared. Then back to black screen. First time this has happened. Took the tape out and inspected that area of the tape. I did inspect all the tapes during capturing videos, and the Sony tapes appeared consistently different compared to the other brands. Didn't think much of it seeing that the Sony tapes all looked the same. First 2 photos show the appearance of the non Sony brand tapes. Look pretty good and work. http://imgur.com/gfzppF0 http://imgur.com/yWMD7tl This photo shows how all my Sony tapes look. http://imgur.com/eRUAGly The next 2 photos show where I saw the 2 second image come through. http://imgur.com/tseGxGq http://imgur.com/rNoAd0h You can see the grainy appearance, then a clear area, and back to grainy. I tested a spot with isopropyl, to try and remove some of the grainy areas, but no change. I'm thinking corrosion or Quicker deterioration + the elements over the years at this point. |
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Well it happened. I reply to a post which I only have some general and no specific knowledge about Video 8 tapes. I am thinking I am so glad that I will never have to deal with these tapes. Then a few days later I am gong through my fathers audio cassette tapes I inherited over 5 years ago and what is in there but a Digital 8 tape I dont know if it is blank. It doesnt appear to have Sticky-shed syndrome even though it is a Sony MP-120. Itg has a nice curl to it at least in the beginning of the tape. I have included a picture.
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I have numerous video8 tapes like that and some pretty banged up. Never had a problem playing it on a Sony CCD-TRV66 and a DCR-TRV340. They all play back fine. As others suggested, try another camera if you can get one.
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