Maybe they were. Seems some of them were used in pre-built systems as they have connectors to a front-panel module on the card, the one I got is one of these (9600 VIVO). I have not tested it yet, I don't have the right breakout cable, been planning to make one myself using the internal 4-pin connectors (same connectors used on audio cards), but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Never seen a non- rage theater AIW/VIVO x1600. Some of the very old rage 128 cards use an ImpacTV2 chip, no idea who made it, and there was at least one late-model ones using the newer ATI Theater 650 chip used in the standalone AIW cards.

EDIT: Looks like the ImpacTV chps may have been ATI-made as well

" I have not tested it yet, I don't have the right breakout cable"

Dell HJ857 might be the cable you need?

https://itprice.com/dell/hj857.html

https://www.newegg.com/p/1DK-003B-00016

Getting off topic...

BW

Yep, sometimes threads turn into an info overload. :unsure:

Multiple capture workflows is never a bad thing. :)

Yes, there are a lot of good Asrock AGP+SATA boards in Europe, which allow dual/quad core Intel (or AMD, but I far prefer to Intel, the CPUs run far cooler). The 4CoreDual are what I use. A good price for one of those boards, including 2gb+ RAM and the CPU, is about $100 average. Ditch the stock heatsink, get a Cooler Master Hyper 212.

I believe he already has the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card. And $100 for both is decent average price.

The non-AIW VIVO cards have always been confusing. I last played with a VIVO about 10 years ago. The only thing I remember about it is that it did not work as expected.

The early 7200/7500 AIW were also referred to as AIW VIVO, especially the PAL models.

That is not correct. My experiences with Canopus far exceed a single product. I've been writing about various Canopus products for 20 years now. It is correct, currently at least, that I've never used that exact NX card. But nothing about the card is tempting, especially the requirement that Edius (payware) be used for capture. NLE capture is not recommended, due to resource overhead, tendency to drop frames, and other oddities can that creep in. I understand that you like that setup, but it will probably never get my recommendation.

I'm not sure if that's a neat feature, or pointless feature. :hmm:
I generally like to stop/pause/rew when watching tv (bathroom, eat, answer phone, missed something, etc), and you cannot do that while capturing.

Samples, please! :)

All capture cards need to use an external framesync TBC.
All capture cards can have problem with signal issues, including both natural errors (aka "false copy protection") and artificial video errors (anti-copy, including Macrovision).
This is not an ATI issue, it's an issue for everything digital acquisition device.

Only if I was loaned/given the card for testing, or could acquire it for my $50 gambling/testing per-item budget. I do think there are more decent alternatives for capture out there, hidden gems, but BM is not it, and Canopus is unlikely to be it, given what all is known. The BM has to much damning info out there, while the NX has rigid non-standard usage requirements that many of us do not wish to deal with (as video is already not-easy, do not wish to pile on more potential problems).

The only thing that would change my mind is if the card exhibited some sort of unique restoration ability. I'd like to see the supposed jitter correct in action.

Is this a good capture card? The original box contains the purple cable also. If not recommend can you describe the parameters please how should i search after that?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-8500DV-...oAAOSw7FFeTf7o

I don't know. The auction pictures suck. Another typical eBay a-hole. I think the essential wires are missing. Not sure. All I see is a random card, some random CDs, and a dead squid of wires.

Do not buy it. :disagree:

In first step can how can i filter the capture cards? I don't need graphics card for games. The name "All-In-Wonder" is identify this or should i check the plugs on the back of the card?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-ATI...oAAOSwfrleJyOq

One of the picture there are cables. The grey one has s-video if i see. Does it matter if the title NTSC mentioned and i live in Europe?

Games have nothing to do with it. In general, there is no such thing a "gamer card". Those are simple graphics cards with high specs (at the time). Every ATI claimed to be good at everything, it was marketing, and doesn't matter.

Focus on the AIW card. It is graphics + video capture. This is good, this is fine. The video part is high-end, ATI outdid themselves on the Theatre 100/Rage and 200 chips.

Build an XP system with AIW. I suggest a motherboards from Asrock that has SATA, and use a good Seagate 2tb SATA drive for the capture files. Use an IDE drive for the OS, depending on the board (which is what I do on my capture Asrocks).

Buy this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/372017479818
- DVI out for best quality viewing.
- No special cables needed.
- Get the basic ATI purple/domino breakout box (dongle). Search eBay for "ati purple".

Done. :)

"No special cables need" then search for the purple breakout box. :hmm: Okay actually it is a box, not a cable :D

Does it matter if it 8500, 9000, 9600 or above? As i see all of them need some cables / box none of them have a direct S-Video input. The memory also not important if it 6, 32, 64 or 128MB. It doesn't need for capture just sent the video signal through and convert it to digital.

I also found here in the cabinet an audio card. It is good for "capturing" audio? I thought i could spare some money with it:question:

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All of that cards need thet purple box. Maybe can you suggest a card within Europe?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radeon-All-in-Wonder-AIW-9800-SE-128MB-AGP-DVI-Graphics-109-95700-12-VINTAGE/153818223418

This one is very similar you linked. I clearly see the "Rage Theatre" chip in the middle. I found it multple times mentioned on the forum. This is what we need? This make the card so valuable, here the magic happens?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/All-in-Wonder-Radeon-First-Radeon/392711109158

The purple box/dongle/cable is not special. It's used by all AIW cards.

That 9800 card is probably fine, but just be aware of noise patterning that seems to exist on some later 9000 series cards. Some of the 9600 are guilty, and I believe some of the 9800 are as well. You can search past forum posts for combinations such as "herringbone" and "power line noise" and "AIW". The more basic 9000/9200 always seemed to be fine.

Rage Theatre aka Theatre 100, or Theatre 200, and the chips on these cards, the reason the cards are so good.

That other ATI AIW (7500?) with DVI is probably also fine.

The RAM is graphics, and doesn't matter too much. 32mb is fine, 64mb and above are better. The most it controls is digital preview tearing, not really essential.

s-video is on the purple box/dongle.

Creative/SoundBlaster audio is often tinny or pitchy, the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz is highly recommended for AIW builds.

It's a bit hard to search eBay EU from the US. Still, here is what looks like a useful AIW 9000 in Germany.

As lordsmurf said, there were/are some issues with some of the 9xxx series cards causing a "herringbone" pattern in captured video.
Here are a couple links about that:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...rence-ati.html

Look closely for the faint moving diagonal lines, especially in the lighter parts of the image.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...ld-look-too%29

You have to compare the fuzzy pictures in that last post to an unmodified 9xxx card. I believe the 9800 you linked above is one of those questionable designs. Here's a picture of a possibly "bad" 9800:
Attachment 11411

Note the row of 5 capacitors and 2 coils below the tuner box. The fix was to reorient the 2 coils without disconnecting them or otherwise ruining the card. I'd prefer not to try this myself. I've seen this design on 9000's, 9700's, and 9800's. There are 9000's and 9700's (at least) that use a different design like the one lordsmurf linked and the one in Germany I linked. I have a 9700 that is a different design and I haven't noticed any herringbone patterns but I haven't done that much capture with it yet.

I guess "special" is in the eye of the beholder. They are readily available so less "special" that most of the others :wink2:. Special or not, you will absolutely need the purple input "cable" with the "box" on the end with the 4 input connections which are composite, s-video, R-audio, and L-audio. You will use the s-video only if you plug the audio directly into the sound card. (See previous discussion...)

For capture, 7xxx and 8xxx cards use the original Rage Theater (100), 9xxx use the Theater 200 which is considered slightly superior. All 9xxx cards will have at least 64MB memory so also a reason to get one.

The Audigy will work for capture but the TB Santa Cruz is preferred by most. I tried my old Audigy and found the sound recorded to be OK, but it is much more susceptible to random RF noises than the Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz preferred...

See above.

Maybe not a good choice??? See above.

Yes, Rage Theater (100) good, Theater 200 better.
OK: Rage Theater (100), 32 or 64 MB, not sure.

BW