Ah well, it's worth the 75 cents I paid for it for the cables then. Thanks for the super quick response!

Imho agp aiw 9600
 

Whats truly Amazing is you CAN still get one of these on AMAZON.
Mine after XX years, is hanging on with a swapped out cooler fan, and the socket and plug have a slight glitch, and both pins were broken. I hold it on using a couple of paper clips and a little jiggle and keep my VGA1 socket propped into the right position and held on by faith.

Anyhow this amazing card is offset by several flaws, by today's modern version.

Among the failures, is the FM tuner. While it works, it has incredibly horrible tuning ability, having to alter all of the frequency steps. I think that is because the software, was meant for even i.e. 100.2 100.4 etc, when American standard is odd steps. 100.1 100.3 100.5 etc. Also the auto set function does not work, around a computer device, and so at best it sort of works. Volume on both the TV and FM portions is also low in the LIVE modes. So thats about all in the hardware dept that they never got right with it.

Now in the software dept, it is iffy getting the capture driver and audio drivers to install. Yes I know your supposed to install them in a particular order. Catalyst first, then WDC components, then UCI components, and then MMC components.

I had the 8.8 version, that worked good, when done from the CD, but alas it BROKE on me, cracked, and although I thought I had made a copy of it, which works except for the DVD decode part (who cares about that).

Also before doing anything, you MUST have a properly working sound card, so be sure that works or nothing will install right.
There are advantages to a better sound card, such as to use SB Live or even better Turtle Beach Santa Cruz or Montego card, or really any sound card that has an extra line in jack. But a simple sound card is ok.

The one area you do want to focus on first configures the display driver, and if you're hooking up the Composite or Svideo TO a TV set, then get all the display stuff adjusting, and configuring, and turning on the TV display first. That sets up things that help the TV and Capture part to work properly.

Known fact that you have to do a Custom install for MMC8. Number one that Hydravision I do not care for, Guide PLUS is also no longer functional which is a shame considering how awesome it was.
Despite that you uncheck EasyShare, you end up having to be either client or server, so I usually check Server, since it's not likely you will have 2 of these cards in the same household.

I do NOT reccomend running the SETUP on the main to let it autoinstall everything. I DO reccomend manually doing each of the 4 parts, and rebooting between each step, and then to pray that the capture driver is loaded before MMC is able to install, or then you will have to fix capture driver.

Can see if there are nothing popped out in Device Manager underneath Sound Card area.

So after you do get it all going, the one thing that still is messed up, is that even when attempting TV recording, is that some Over The Air Analog Cable channels, if you happen to have older Analog cable, will still shut down due to Macrovision. So because the whole feature of being able to schedule (like Tivo) your recordings, it all gets killed because of Macrovision.

If you want to record OTA digital then Walmart sells a box, for 20 bucks, that you stick a Flash Drive onto, and just use that to schedule and record.

On the 9600 card, I found the dll file swap was the only one that MIGHT work.
hit or miss on that. Sadly VCR tape is still faulty, so finding a VCR that goes past that. You will not have problems with home camcorder movies, even 8mm. Only with the commercial movies.

Quite frankly is your sole purpose was to convert them, then for all the aggravation that AIW will cause you, your better off to purchase an Easy Cap, USB stick, but also grab version 4.0 of the VHS to DVD software as it has much better functions for larger media DL layer and Macrovision is NOT an issue with those adapters, and you will get far better results.

I disagree with most of this, for reasons mainly dealing mainly with apparently not having lesrned to use your AIW at its best, starting here:

Iincorrect order.

I haven't used MMC since 2000, would never use it to capture lossless, and its player never kept up with the times. So anyone who would buy an AIW and use it for radio tuner or DVD set-top recorder would never get past the noob stage. I figure if you're using MMC to capture VHS to lossy codecs it was a total waste of a great capture card. The remark about trading in for an EZCap was probably the funniest part of your post. Have your eyes examined first, and if you score really low on the eye test you're probably ready for an EZCap. My 9600XT can stomp the guts out of an EZCap any time.
:wink2:

I hate the buzzy little fans on AIW, and usually ripped them off the card. The heatsink was plenty adequate, especially when the case had decent cooling.

You don't buy an ATI AIW card to turn it into a radio. That was a dumb feature for AIW cards. Ignore it.

1. display driver
2. WDM (or Catalyst)
3. MMC

You can actually skip everything else. A few older MMC versions forced the UCI (MDAC/DAO), as did the PCIe MMC 9.1, but most allow skipping.

Everything will install just fine. MMC may not launch, and VirtualDub will just be mute.

Not really.

Correct. Don't do "automatic", do custom. Only install the ATI MMC recording/TV/VIVO (has different names for different versions). Uncheck everything else, don't install it.

I agree, but this is complicated. It only works with a disc anyway, and those discs are getting harder to find. And many are dated, using old drivers that should not be used anymore. I want to update the first post of this thread after I finish the glossary entries.

I don't get this part. I test WDM via VirtualDub these days. MMC only after it works.

I've not seen analog cable in 8 years now. Everything has been digital cable for a long time.

I like to record MLB from the local Fox on cable (usually because the game runs late, I'm tired, so just record it to watch in the morning). It has some nasty anti-copy. I chain the output of the cable box to an AVT-8710, and then into a DVD recorder. No issues.

Great. Do that. It's not a task for an ATI AIW card, and never was.

Buy a TBC. Video is too chaotic to try and capture without one, regardless of the source.
FYI, I have some available in the marketplace forum.

No. Bad advice.

Analogy: You want to race. But that big muscle car is "too hard" to maintain, "too expensive", etc. So do you instead by a Honda Civic, and proclaim it better? Of course not. At least not without being laughed at, along with an eye roll. It's a low-quality tool for the task, and doesn't provide the needed quality at all.

MMC was v6 in 2000, terrible software.
- v7 was somewhat better, but lacking. v8 pre-8.7 mostly v7 improvements.
- v8.7 was truly new ATI MMC, lasting into 9.0.x versions.
- v9.1 gutted MMC, and then was ended.
So you can't compare 2000 to now, or even to 2005.

Nor should you even bother looking at the non-input/TV/recording/VIVO part of MMC. The player, DVD players, etc, was all decent for it's day, but quaint since the rise of VLC. Remember, back then, we suffered from Windows Media Player and payware DVD players (PowerDVD usually).

There's nothing wrong with lossy-format MPEG work.

Agreed mostly with lordsmurf, but I hasten to add; When i bought my Toshiba RD-XS34 DVD recorders I immediately realized how inferior MMC was even at high MMC bitrates (I don't mean "bad", I just mean "less good"). I fail to see how a card that small and low-powered could compete with a good set top machine for MPEG capture. Of course at the same time there were several other very crappy DVD recorders from other makers, which MMC could outdo. I just had very little use for MMC, especially after seeing what could be done with lossless captures.

Lossy MPEG from VHS can be good enough for many people, I guess. I captured a couple of taps that way. But I discarded the tapes, and today I'm sorry I did.

The XS34 was not perfect. It had issues of its own, namely off-value IRE like most other recorders of the time. In thi conversation, "MMC" doesn't matter. You're comparing the Theatre chips to the Toshiba's (not Zoran, forget offhand what it had).

I still have XS34/35/36 discs when I tested with gshelley at VH. The finer details were cleaner that ATI AIW, but the fix was bitrate. A 15mbit stomps an XP mode Toshiba disc, which wasn't even 10mbit at the highest VBR peaks. The LSI was arguably cleaner that Toshiba, especially when chroma filtering VHS tapes, though fine detail/sharpness was the tradeoff. The XS32/34/35/36 has some interesting cleaning filters, but was weak on chroma.

But that conversation is somewhat derailing this thread, being about ATI AIW drivers/hacks. ;)

Hallo Admin,

i found a Rage II AIW Card and a Rage Pro PCI AIW Card for my Retro-PC-Project on Ebay. Unfortunaly the Driver-CDs are unreadable scratched. Can you help me please?
The First CD got the Number: 180-G01005-314 and the second one 180-G01023-524.

Greetings from Germany
Tigershark

Those two cards are too old, and do not use the Theatre chipsets.
Not suggested.
Not quality.

The ATI AIW 128 (16mb) and AIW 128 Pro (32mb) PCI are the oldest cards with Theatre chips. I do have the CDs for those, if ever anybody needs them. However, those pre-Radeon cards can be quirky, especially with WinXP.

This may be the wrong place to post this but it is ATI AIW related.
Wow:), I didn't think anyone was still using AIW cards. Thanks for this forum and all of the information and downloads provided.

I have a home built system built around Intel Q6600 CPU, 4g ram and an AIW HD PCI 3600 series Radeon with 512m. It's obviously an older system but has served it's purpose well used mainly for TV and some time shifting as well as web browsing and MS Office. I had been running on 32 bit Vista Ultimate but with MS no longer supporting :(

I recently upgraded to 32 bit Win 7 Ultimate. (motherboard doesn't support 64bit) With the Win 7 install the AIW tuner stopped working :eek:.

I tried to find software but nothing worked or was specifically available for Win 7 so reinstalled the drivers from the original CD. This worked OK once I had the WDM drivers installed. I'm now using Windows MC with both analog and digital inputs from cable. I previously had to use the Catalyst Media Center since Vista Media Center didn't see the digital tuner. Win 7 definitely an improvement there.:D

I'm half afraid to try to update drivers as the newer old drivers seem to cause issues.:(

Although I'm pretty sure there are newer drivers out there that will work on Win 7.:hmm:

The WDM/Unified AV Stream driver I'm currently running is 6.14.10.299. The Radeon driver is 8.56.1.16 (from windows update with another available). I'm going to look at the files you have on post 48, see what I can come up. :)

The AIW HD PCI 3600 does not have the Theatre Rage/200 chipsets, so nothing in this thread or others would apply. That's a different card, different generation. Compared to the AIW cards discussed here, it's new. The HD PCIe cards are based off the inferior Theatre 650 chipsets, which had known issues with AGC. Because of the AGC flaws, the cards are unusable for video.

It's amusing to me:
Two posts up, the card was too old.
This past post, the card was too new.
You much pay close attention to the card models/chipsets, and locate the Goldilocks cards.

That’s interesting. I guess I don’t try to use all the features either good or bad. It does TV video and recording I use some while at the computer.
Still think it’s good to see all the posts and info for the AIW. I didn’t read all the posts just first 5 and last page. Although old and outdated nobody is making an all in one anymore. I’m sure there are other solutions but then I would have to find something else to toy with.
From the first post it appears post 48 has the newest old files for the AIW HD? Maybe I should leave it alone since it works. Nah :P.
I have an AGP system stashed away. It had a TV tuner capture card built around Nvidia graphics. I may have to look at getting an older AIW to put in it to see what I can do with it just because.
Maybe I’ll get some of my VHS tapes on to DVD.
Thanks

I have the ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 7500 card I bought years ago and it used a dongle to input the S-Video. I've read this thread and especially admin's input about the ATI All-In-Wonder installation CD 181-G01116-110, which I downloaded. However, I noticed this CD has no drivers for anything after Windows 2000. Now I do have a Windows 2000 Disc and have the hardware to recreate this setup but are there any drivers for Windows XP since I do have an existing Windows XP machine and I'm not sure Windows 2000 supports SATA drives?

The drivers on Disc 181-G01116-110 worked for Win2K and WinXP and the 7500 AGP (XP used the W2K code base).

You can mount SATA drives with W2k and XP but the motherboard will force you to use them in IDE mode. There are no SATA drivers for w2K/XP AFAIK.

SATA drives work fine in Windows 2000. AHCI controllers are supported on later motherboards too.

I've never seen AHCI drivers for W2K or XP, but it's possible that some motherboard maker somewhere could be including them. Meanwhile I've built three XP PCs of my own with SATA drives in IDE mode that are working well.

My AIW systems all have AHCI and SATA2. It's a motherboard feature/limitation, and chipset drivers, not OS.

I guess I built my Biostar and Gigabyte XP's a little early in the transition period. But no working problems so far.

Only WinXP should be attempted with ATI AIW. Don't waste time on 2k/98/ME/etc.

After 2013, I built these for myself:

• AGP card on an Asrock board from 2008, Intel dual-core, 4gb RAM, 1tb+2tb capture space. It's still a costly board, ~$100 used when you find it.
• PCI card on high-end motherboard from around 2012, Intel dual-core, 4gb RAM, 2tb capture space. This system wasn't an easy build, took me months.

Before my 2012 health issues, I'd been running multiple IDE and SATA (using IDE) systems. Several of those boards came out in 2008 as well, so I know exactly what you're talking about. The transition lasted from about 2005-2010, and what board did what (with what drivers) really varied. It got worse when you tried to moved HDD from an old system to new, OS balks at AHCI changes.

Video capture itself is fine on both IDE and SATA. My main wants for SATA2 was transfer speed, as I do final pass work on my Skylake build.

Hi,

I have two ATI TV Wonder Pro PCI cards - on one system that I have I was able to get everything installed properly after a few hours of trial and error - but I ended up having to use the version of ATI Multimedia Center that came on the installation CD (8.2) versus the newer version (9.16). It was giving me an error saying to check the video driver in windows. The older MMC version also gave me this error, until I installed the video driver, but this did not work for the newer version. Is this a known problem with newer versions of MMC?

Also, the other system I have runs Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005, and when trying to install everything from the CD, the installation goes fine until the MMC part. At this point it comes up with the "Preparing for installation" window, then exits completely without installing MMC. Is it possible that it can't see the device correctly? This error occurred with my other system as well until I reinstalled windows completely, but I was looking to avoid doing that again.

One more side question - what are the best settings to record with when using MMC? I was thinking of using MPEG2 set to DVD quality with deinterlacing enabled, but wasn't sure if this was the best option.

Re: ATI All-In-Wonder installation CD 180-V01084-100 parts 01-14 for the 9000-series ATI AIW Radeon AGP cards

Thank you for these archives! I noticed that all of the downloads (parts 01-13, 32 MB each)) have the same files and the same ATIsetup.exe - 526 files, 71 folders, 650 MB (681,585,370 bytes), even part 14, which is listed as having only 19.32 MB in the original RAR, also seems to have the exact same files. Are these simply mirrors? Thanks again - Scotty

I think that is the way an .rar multi-part group file appears to Windows Explorer. My experience is that if you unzip the first file with 7-zip the others will automatically unzip and combine into the final file.

Thank you ExUSAF_AV - I downloaded 7-Zip - The final result is exactly the same. So ... it looks like when I began the de-compress process on each of the 14 RAR's, e.g.: extract part04, that every time, the decompression program (was using WINRAR) automatically looked for the 1st compressed file in it's 'catalog' and followed the tags at the end of each RAR to find the next, etc., resulting in 14 exact duplicates of the total package. I remember this feature existed when using PKZip and PKUnZip back in the 90's, dividing large programs, files, backing up entire hard drives (big back then was anything between 5MB and 100MB HDs), etc so they would fit on multiple 1.4MB floppies. Near that era's end, we were buying boxes of 100 floppies at a time, then CDs finally arrived. The only difference was PKUnZip told you which compressed file it was working on. I guess these ATI archives might have been originally stored on 32MB ZIP drive (Jazz) disks ? At any rate, you were exactly right - Thanks again

Old file upload limits from the 2000s. When I get some time, I can go consolidate things to the 99mb limit. :)

RE: ATI All-In-Wonder Pro, 8 MB PCI and AGP capture / display adapters.
I have the same board(s) - Paid nearly $500 originally, returned when the price went down to $250 a week later, and one more time when the price broke under $200. The other 2 identical boards were found at a Ham Fest for $5 each in the late 90s. Unfortunately I have never been able to find drivers or applications that will allow these boards to run under XP or anything OTHER than 95 and 98 - I did see someone at another Ham Fest who appeared to have it running under XP (if I remember correctly, he could open MMC and watch TV, however, he could not capture), but his search suggestions did not pan out, and I am assuming he may have had a different ATI board installed. Anyway, I do have the original ATI AIW Pro CD for 98 and 95, and also a download recommended by ATI Technical Support, that I downloaded while still learning the idiosyncrasies around installing this capture board along with another non-capture S-3Virge video adapter (for Dual Monitors, b4 multiple monitors were commonplace), titled: Thornhill, directly from the ATI site ... I would gladly upload, IF I knew where to send them on this website ... am new to DigitalFAQ.Com, which I happened to find looking for this exact query - How to run ATI AIW Pro 8MB AGP/PCI with XP and above. Using 'compatibility mode' never works. Another post mentioned that the capture task seemed to 'hang' MMC, but the system may simply have been 'preparing' for capture. If 'record through memory' is not selected, the app creates a temporary file on the hard drive which can take several minutes, depending on the CPU speed, and HD speed. Again, if someone could direct me to the Upload feature on this site, I will try to get the downloaded versions of the driver/app uploaded.

Hi lordsmurf,

This is sort of a followup to my previous post - I have managed to get ATI MMC working on my XP MCE installation using your post located here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post17596

I am having another issue though - when launching the TV application, the video on both Composite and S-Video seems to be very choppy (almost as if it is being deinterlaced improperly or dropping frames), and has some input lag. I checked the CPU usage, and it seems to remain around 15%, so I don't believe it's an issue with that, however in the latest version of ATI MMC I don't see the "Best video quality" option, so I am unsure how to adjust the video quality settings to troubleshoot the choppy video. I thought you might be able to help me fix this problem.

On another computer with the same TV Wonder Pro card installed running Windows XP SP2 and ATI MMC 8.2 the video is perfect, so I'm thinking maybe it's an issue with the newer version, however I was unable to install MMC 8.2 on my XP MCE computer to test it.

Hi,
I own a AIW 1900 PCI express. On post #58 there are some package to be install on Windows XP.
What is the correct order to install them propertly?

FYI, one or more of the files are corrupt and fails to decompress.

Any way of reposting or providing an alternate link?

My 9800 Pro came with 180-V01068-100 which appears to be older than this post so I'd like to update to the latest possible compatible versions...

FYI, the 180-V01068-100 CD installs MMC v8.5. Several people have requested this version of the CD installer mid-way through this thread so I'm not sure if 8.5 was the "latest" back then, but the original post mentioned to use at least v8.7 or newer (but not newer than 9.02) for the 9000 series cards.

I haven't yet tested video capturing with this version as I'm waiting for the final piece of the puzzle: the 4-pin Sound Blaster to AIW audio cable..

I'm also not sure if I should simply upgrade MMC to 8.8 or straight to 9.02, but the only MMC updates posted here are 8.7, 9.02 and 9.1.0. There was another thread that mentioned using full CD installers to do these updates instead of stand-alone updaters; hence my request above for a repost of CD 180-V01084-100.

-- merged --

Disregard my request: I redownloaded all parts and this time it was able to be pieced together and uncompressed succesfully.

Must have been a glitch during my initial download that caused the problem but it seems it's all good now.

Help identifying card
 

I have an ATI card, but I'm not sure which version. It has only an F connector input, the AV input for the purple dongle, and a mini-audio out jack. The chipset is Conexant Fusion, and the card is dated copyright 2000. I am attempting to install it in an older WinXP computer for video capture.

Trying to resetup an old card.
 

Thanks for setting up this forum; there's a great deal of useful info and files.

I do have some questions, after trying a bunch of stuff that was recommended here.

I'm down to removing and reinstalling the software, but I have questions.

I have an old Sapphire X1650XT PCI-e VOVI card with the Theater 200 chip.

Sometimes, it captures beautifully, with version 5.1 of the windows movie maker, that I think came with this version of XPSP3, I'm not sure.

The winXP32 is stable, and doesn't crash.

I'm using the 10.2 drivers and WDM (From AMD), and like I said, capture does work, but it's iffy.

It will randomly, on some tapes, detect macrovision, and watching the composite output with a handheld DVD player configured as a line-in video monitor while capturing the S-video output makes me think it's the capture chip being overly sensitive, as the composite to the TV part is always fine.
The Handheld has no OTA capability, so there should not be an AGC circuit.

The tapes are either Camera tapes we recorded, birthdays and such, or tapes I copied on a vcr from another VCR, and they should not contain MV either. Also sourced from a cam, originally. All the copies fail MV.

After reading this thread, and testing with virtualdubmod, VDM doesn't capture at all, and the macrovision hack that supposedly fixes the input doesn't seem to work, and in fact seems to turn on macrovision all the time, even on tapes it worked with previously. :)
Reading the html file, I think it was for win98, so that could be a problem. :)

I put the original file back, and it's back to the way it was.

This computer is too new to load Win98 on, there are no drivers for it; it's a 6 core Xeon in a P6TD deluxe.

Since most of the posts here are for AGP cards, I was wondering if you would list what you consider to be the best software setup to minimize the macrovision errors.

I can't see how a stabilizer will help, since it's the capture chip that seems to be the error.

I'll check the output from the VCR tomorrow with an Oscope, to make sure IT's not generating an MV signal; I guess it could be flaking out, it's 20 years old or so, but it's a nice JVC -3800 S-VHS recorder.

I can wipe the drivers, and load a new set of files from here, but I have not done so yet; I just joined the forum so I can download your files.

I really appreciate you making these available for us; you're a dedicated set of guys. :)

So, to reiterate; which software setup is best to avoid false mv detection for the PCI-e cards?

Sorry to necropost, but I think it's relevant to this thread. :congrats:

Hello, im not speak english and difficult understand

I need ATI All In Wonder 2006 in Windows 7 Powered by Radeon X1300

What is only necesary files for capture TV?

AIW does not work in Windows 7. It probably never will. WinXP only.

I'm sure neotank has long since found a solution, but for anyone else needing the original CD that came with the ATI All-In-Wonder (AIW) 2006 Edition, AGP Bus (Powered by ALL-IN-WONDER 9600), I have the disc. I just purchased a brand new version of this card via eBay (still factory sealed), so I'm positive this is the disc. The MMC is 9.06.1. The CD disc number is 180-V01106-100.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18xQ...ew?usp=sharing

Can these capture cards capture PAL video?

Yes and no, it depends on the version you have.
When you buy it, you should check whether it's a PAL or a NTSC (or SECAM) card.

Thanks for the archive add. :salute:

Yes. :congrats:

Nope! :old:

Only the defunct analog tuner is PAL or NTSC (no SECAM version exists, to my knowledge). Nobody uses the 2000s tuner in 2020.

All AIW card, when using s-video or composite inputs, can capture PAL, NTSC, SECAM, and most all of the variations therein.

Here is ATI MMC 9.06 Disc id 180_V01106_100.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j2J...ew?usp=sharing

I have AIW 9600XT AGP. In ATI MMC 9.06, when I make a new Preset, the frame rate is stuck 0.01 fps and when I use it, Windows XP crashes. I downloaded MMC 8.7, I don't have this problem but the resolution height is stuck at 240.

-- merged --

Here is MMC 8.8 Disc id 180_V01085_100
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tw_...ew?usp=sharing
I installed MMC 8.8, 9.02, 9.1. All limited to 240 pixels. Only 9.06 allows me to capture 480 pixels but uncompressed. I cannot use HuffYUV.

MMC 9.06 is not meant for AIW 9600XT because it didn't through the audio capture setup so I cannot capture audio when using VirtualDub.

I recently bought a Windows XP machine with PCI slots only. Would an ATI AIW X600 Pro 128MB DDR PCI work well? Would it quality-wise be preferred over a ATI 600 USB in Windows 7 or XP? I was looking for a thread I remembered comparing them as steak and spam, but I haven't been able to find it or the reasons why.

If AGP is preferred over PCI, a friend just messaged me they have a Windows XP machine with AGP slot available as well.
After reading many threads, a little bit confused which of the X600 PCI, another one, ATI 600 USB or my current GV-USB2 would be best.

ATI AIW (internal)
- AGP best
- PCI next best, but not the oldest 16mb cards
- PCIe (PCI express) last

ATI AIW USB probably tied with AGP/PCI, audio is maybe a tiny bit more tinny than the best Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card. Almost not worth mentioning, you'd need reference-grade speakers to even hear the slight acoustic difference in the upper registers.

PCIe cannot use the good ATI MMC, and has some image offset issues (right/left aligned overscan, not centered).

The PCI cards are rarest, but I do have some in the marketplace from time to time.

The best AGP are the 9xxx series cards, but there's nothing wrong with the 7xxx. The biggest issue for 9xxx is making sure you get all the "accessories" (required wires!) when buying it.

That GV-USB2 shouldn't even be on the list.

You refer to my most recent comparison list of cards, to dinner options:
- turd = Easycaps, the "grabbers" (GV-USB, etc)
- cricket = Dazzle
- hash/spam (canned meat) = ATI 600 USB and clones
- hamburger = certain Pinnacles
- steak = most ATI AIW, mostly reference to AGP/PCI/USB

I'll gladly eat a steak, love a good hamburger, and hash makes a nice quick/easy meal. All 3 are great options. All all 3 are very similar. The fact that the AIW is better doesn't mean the 600/Pinnacle are bad, nor that the Pinnacle being better means the 600 is bad. Realize that I use all 3 cards myself, especially AIW and Pinnacle. The main difference in Pinnacle and ATI 600 USB isn't even in image quality, but other aspects (OS support, install).

But I'd have to be desperate to eat a cricket, and no way will I eat a turd/feces.

Before you jump right into ATI AIW (steak), you must realize that you're limited to only using WinXP. Some people don't want to do that, and so those other two quality options are available in our post-XP world. And again, even I do that, on some Win7 video systems. AIW systems, more and more, are for serious folks who are willing to build dedicated XP capturing systems.

Yes, thanks, the dinner options.
Valuable info.

Steak preferred. I have no problems with a Windows-XP only machine. House is filled with machines and books.
The ATI 600 USB that we're exchanging (please see DMs) won't be worse in video quality, just a bit more tinny for audio?
Yes, I have no reference grade speakers at the moment. Would not matter for audio sake.

Here is MMC 9.13 for X1900 Disc id 180_V01114_100
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_-r...ew?usp=sharing