Any new good Capture Cards released today?
 

Well i don´t expect much to have really happened. But still worth asking.

What are people using, is there any New models that are working brilliantly with old stuff, or is it still ATI AIW and the old AGP that should be used for best results?

For SD, there's no reason to look beyond what you already know. Be that AIW cards, TVW sticks, DV h/w and the like. At most, entry level Blackmagic products are the newest I'd consider, since they're fairly priced. But I imagine the analog-tailored AIW AGP would still beat them.

For serious HD, there are new Thunderbolt-equipped cards designed for uncompressed capture. Which you absolutely otherwise don't need. Past that, there's the latest heavyweight stuff from AJA which...let's not even go there.

I see, well would be nice to have something that can take both 1080p60(in 30 fps as 60 is impossible i think), and high quality Analogue capture.

But i guess building a system with the AIW is still the way to go.

That's really the problem -- you're trying to make a single device do two separate things.
- SD is one thing.
- HD is another.

As such, the best hardware can only do one, or do one well. If you try to make hardware do two things at once, it does so with reduced quality. Or more likely, both at terrible quality.

If you're set on the best, sure, but even an ATI 600 should do fine. No need to spend more unless you're not satisfied with the cheaper options, IMO. The priority is what's being fed into the card anyway, all of them will falter on a bad signal.

kpmedia, yes i know. And sadly, as it´s to good to be true, it isn´t;P

Yeah well, i am not a Fan of using USB devices, i prefer "real hardware", but what are the main differences between ATI 600, and the AGP cards that seems like the best cards around?

Got your PM. I'm a bit out of the loop (still recovering, not better) by a few months, but I doubt anything has changed. It's mostly a choice ATI from about 2001-2009. (AIW to 2006, ATI 600 to 2009.) Then the older professional/NLE gear from Matrox, Canopus (not DV), etc. If you want "new" there's Aja, more Matrox, and Blackmagic, but each is not without it's issues/flaws.

The big difference between the ATI 600 USB and ATI AIW AGP/PCI/PCI-E cards is better luma/chroma/gamma. Just slightly, but it's better.

As time goes on, more and more is only found used; i.e. eBay, our marketplace, etc.

Oh, i am so sorry for my ignorance.

Didn´t know about that at all, i hope you making some real progress, wish you the best of luck!

And for the topic, it seems like the old Ati AIW is the way to go, sadly i can´t find any right now it seems.
And i have problems distinguishing the Graphic Cards from the Capture cards;S

But, lordsmurf, hope you get better, a stroke isn´t something to brush under the carpet so to speak!

There's some on Amazon for a good price, mint in box:

• http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...=digitalfaq-20
• http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...=digitalfaq-20
• http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...=digitalfaq-20
• http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...=digitalfaq-20
• http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...=digitalfaq-20

All are under $100.

When these cards were new, they were $300+ each.
Don't be one of those people that tries to find it for $50. That's not reasonable. You'll get crap, incomplete cards, etc.

The problem is that i live in Sweden, the shipment is often unavailable, or expensive.
But i will take your word on it. Cause i was looking for very cheap ones as i thought, well, they were old.

But as complete as these cards are for Analogue capture, it worth the extra cost surely.

Which is recommended, is the X600 Pro as good as the other ones?

We can always be your shipping proxy. Ship here, then there. Still not that expensive, really, all things considered.
It's an option. Contact me if you ever want to do it.

I won't really charge you anything. Maybe $4 to get a burger, or cover gas.

I will probably see that as a good solution, as Amazon and Ebay lack the options to ship to Europe, and when they do, it´s often some extremely expensive options.

But as said earlier, are all the AIW Pcie as AGP the "same", or is it any specific i should be getting?

I don´t have AGP, so PCI-/E would be nice.

And which of the cards have the Macrovision problems, i think i remember that the old AIW cards was extremely sensitive, or if it maybe was the newer AIW cards..

All cards detect Macrovision. Use a TBC anyway.
We use PCI-E too. I like the AGP cards more, but it's okay. (The older ATI drivers/software is nicer. It's mostly the same.)
The new cards have hardware, encoding, however! In addition to the hybrid method.

Yeah but i know that some are sensitive and detect Macrovision, even when it´s not there.

Hmm, when you say hardware, do you mean limited to it?
Cause i want it to be able to capture is Virtualdub (or similar) in complete Lossless codecs.
I don´t want to be forced with MPEG or the like.

In addition to ... not limited to. Hardware encoding + hybrid hardware/software encoding.
It works with VirtualDub.
It's a versatile card: MPEG, AVI, and other stuff.

Ah good. I am happy as long as i can capture software mode, and don´t have the need for that horrible "White Crush" that my current Capture Card has.

It seems that PCI/E is the way to go for me:)

There isn´t any specific card in that area then?
All is pretty much the same?

All are pretty much the same -- only the graphics is different, and that's not what matters. :)

danno78 over on VideoHelp has a PCIe card that he has "built" on request for at least two people (I am one of them). He is in Romania so maybe shipping cost to Sweden is better than to here. I say "built" because the other confirmed recipient wasn't pleased when he discovered that the card is a combination of a specific AVerMedia MiniPCIe board from a laptop and a MiniPCIe to PCIe bridge.

It does TBC and 3D Y/C. I haven't been able to test the latter yet.

I see, well i have had an AverMedia, and it didn´t do so well. Though i didn´t have a TBC, and still haven´t got one, as i haven´t had a need for it as my current card can do just fine without it for some reason.

And with that i want to ask a question, does TBC bypass Macrovision, so i can capture Macrovision with those ATI cards?
As i guess some tapes probably have it.

a external TBC will defeat macrovision no problem.
i've personally used a For.a FA-125 and a Keywest BVTBC10 and both killed macrovison
a TBC-1000 or a AVT-8710 will do the same

Good, which TBC does the best job?
I read that the PCI one seems to be the best, and the other ones have a risk of being bad or can hur the image by softing or artifacts.

I need it to be able to do S-video in and out, along with composite.

the tbc-100 (not 1000) is the pci card type - it is impossible to find.
get one with s-video
the tbc-1000 and avt-8710 are generally recommended - they are 8bit
the 2 i have are 10-bit and while yo don't hear alot them - they work great or me.

Well that explains why i couldn´t find the PCI version when i was looking for it.

I see, well higher bit is better i suppose. But from what i understand, Analogue is 6 bit, and 8 bit is more than enough.

But Of the ones you have used, which one produces a "lossless" picture?

HUH??? :smack:

:screwy:

Please someone fill me in here :question:. 8 bit TBC-1000? 10 bit TBC-1000 exist? Analog is 6 bits? Next thing I will hear is that JVC VCR's can run on gas. And, that perhaps they best run on unleaded gasoline to run at their best. By the way, I have 3 TBC-1000's that transfer video via fiber optic. :huh1:

I don´t think that TBC-1000 exist in 10 bit, i think he meant that he does have 2 TBC's which work in 10 bit.

I am not sure that Analog is 6 bit, but i am pretty sure that VHS is in 6 bit. So when capturing, you need a bit more space than 6 bit to be able to get all the information.

So if your VHS is 6 bit, and you capture 6 bit, i think you will lose some information, not sure if it´s visual or not though.
But if you work at 8 bit, it´s more than enough to handle it.

I don´t think 10 bit will help if what you capture is at 6-7 bit.
But it will be of use the closer you get to 10.


If i am wrong, please fill me out*

the tbc-1000 is 8-bit - that is right on Datavideos website
i have a for.a fa-125 and bvtbc-10 - both are 10-bit

Well have ordered: All-In-Wonder VE Radeon 7500
So will probably get it in a month or so.

Now as this card probably can´t handle without a TBC (I think pretty much none can), i will need to get one.
And which is recommended for keeping the image as lossless as possible?

Thanks:)

the TBC-1000 and AVT-8710 are the most recommended and are readily available

The AVT-8710 seem to have a risk with defective chipsets from what i read in the TBC thread.
How is it with TBC-1000?

Given your situation, being outside the USA, and not able to easily return anything, I'd get the TBC-1000.
The AVT-8710 is too much of a gamble for you.

Yeah my luck, it seems to cost like Twice as much as the AVT-8710;P

But it´s as you say better to pay to get working stuff then to try to be cheap, especially in my situation.

But so the TBC-1000 is always the same, it gives "lossless" picture and no bad artifacts or risks?

Does anyone have a TBC-1000 that´s not defective and want to sell it?
As i will have to get one, though i am still waiting for m AIW card, but a TBC is a must buy for me as else the card would be pretty much useless i guess;P