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That device can capture to MPG for DVD format. Your capture was an M2TS for AVCHD. You have to tell the software you want DVD.

Hmm.. I don't really see other option.
Let me go back and check.
Will get back to you later.

update:

hi,
no other option to chooice
only had these

http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/imag.../ciEVEDM-1.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanlyn (Post 45669)

That device can capture to MPG for DVD format. Your capture was an M2TS for AVCHD. You have to tell the software you want DVD.

You are using Hauppauge Capture, which captures only to M2TS or TS. Use WinTV for MPEG capture.

From the left-hand side of the Haupppauge USB Libve-2 QUick Start Guide:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/atta...1&d=1473860610

hahah thank... i did not use tht software, i tot just use Hauppauge Capture will do

is there any need to use 3rd party decode?

During capture the software encodes automatically. Decoding is for playback.

thanks. I will test it out

cant set any tv channel with USB Live2 on wintv
it a capture card not tv tuner

i reinstall.. now can already

just try to record

Code:

General

Complete name               : D:\Users\Public\Videos\S-Video_20160917_0020.mpg

Format                      : MPEG-PS

File size                   : 218 MiB

Duration                    : 4 min

Overall bit rate mode       : Variable

Overall bit rate            : 6 290 kb/s



Video

ID                          : 224 (0xE0)

Format                      : MPEG Video

Format version              : Version 2

Format profile              : Main@Main

Format settings, BVOP       : Yes

Format settings, Matrix     : Default

Format settings, GOP        : M=3, N=12

Format settings, picture st : Frame

Duration                    : 4 min

Bit rate mode               : Variable

Bit rate                    : 6 037 kb/s

Maximum bit rate            : 6 500 kb/s

Width                       : 720 pixels

Height                      : 480 pixels

Display aspect ratio        : 4:3

Frame rate                  : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS

Standard                    : NTSC

Color space                 : YUV

Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0

Bit depth                   : 8 bits

Scan type                   : Interlaced

Scan order                  : Top Field First

Compression mode            : Lossy

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.583

Time code of first frame    : 00:01:41:04

Time code source            : Group of pictures header

GOP, Open/Closed            : Open

Stream size                 : 210 MiB (96%)



Audio

ID                          : 192 (0xC0)

Format                      : MPEG Audio

Format version              : Version 1

Format profile              : Layer 2

Duration                    : 4 min

Bit rate mode               : Constant

Bit rate                    : 128 kb/s

Channel(s)                  : 2 channels

Sampling rate               : 48.0 kHz

Compression mode            : Lossy

Delay relative to video     : 195 ms

Stream size                 : 4.43 MiB (2%)

haha sigh..

i think i use my dvd to copy it..
both software are not free...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanlyn (Post 45661)

Use the USB Live-2 to capture to MPG. Don't use M2TS or TS or any other container. The container's file extension is MPG, encoded with MPEG-2. You can then use Live-2's software to author the video for DVD format and burn it to disc. You will have to learn to use their software for edit, author, and burning. A better method would be to to capture with the USB Live-2 to MPG, then use a smart-rendering editor and authoring program such as TMPGEnc Authoring Works 5 or VEGAS Movie Studio Platinum to create the DVD and burn to disc.

There is no other way to do this without learning to use software designed for what you want to do.

just want to know

MPEG-PS , TS or MT2S which is good for digital backup?

No answer for that. The container has nothing to do with the quality of the encode. it's just a wrapper for the video. The video you just posted info about is an MPEG program stream file encoded as MPEG in an MPEG container with a fairly high mainstream bitrate for decent quality, DVD authoring and burning, and good quality for archiving. If you really want the highest quality for archiving you should be capturing analog to lossless AVI, which is as good as you'll get without commercial equipment. But you said you don't want that. You also said you don't want to pay for higher quality software. If you use your DVD recorder and set the highest bitrate it can record, you'll get pretty much the same MPEG encode that you posted info about, but the files when burned to DVD disc from your recorder will use .VOB containers.

isit ok to use TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 to convert the Wintv to mpg? (encode to AC3)

Code:

General

Complete name               :KTV.mpg

Format                      : MPEG-PS

File size                   : 302 MiB

Duration                    : 4 min

Overall bit rate            : 9 547 kb/s

Writing library             : encoded by TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 Version. 5.0.6.38



Video

ID                          : 224 (0xE0)

Format                      : MPEG Video

Format version              : Version 2

Format profile              : Main@Main

Format settings, BVOP       : Yes

Format settings, Matrix     : Custom

Format settings, GOP        : Variable

Format settings, picture st : Frame

Duration                    : 4 min

Bit rate                    : 9 200 kb/s

Width                       : 720 pixels

Height                      : 480 pixels

Display aspect ratio        : 4:3

Frame rate                  : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS

Standard                    : NTSC

Color space                 : YUV

Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0

Bit depth                   : 8 bits

Scan type                   : Interlaced

Scan order                  : Top Field First

Compression mode            : Lossy

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.888

Time code of first frame    : 00:00:00:00

Time code source            : Group of pictures header

Stream size                 : 289 MiB (96%)

Writing library             : TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 Version. 5.0.6.38

Color primaries             : BT.601 NTSC

Transfer characteristics    : BT.601

Matrix coefficients         : BT.601



Audio

ID                          : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)

Format                      : AC-3

Format/Info                 : Audio Coding 3

Mode extension              : CM (complete main)

Format settings, Endianness : Big

Muxing mode                 : DVD-Video

Duration                    : 4 min

Bit rate mode               : Constant

Bit rate                    : 224 kb/s

Channel(s)                  : 2 channels

Channel positions           : Front: L R

Sampling rate               : 48.0 kHz

Frame rate                  : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)

Compression mode            : Lossy

Stream size                 : 7.08 MiB (2%)

Quote:

Originally Posted by harky (Post 45701)

isit ok to use TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 to convert the Wintv to mpg? (encode to AC3)

Never use an encoder-only app thyat doen't smart-render video that's already encoded. TVMW5 is an encoder, not an editor. It will re-encode your entire video, even if you make no changes.

Your video is already MPG. Did you notice this in the mediaInfo report? Obviously this was not captured as MPEG because TVMW5 is not a capture app. If you used TVMW5 to cut a short segment from another encoded video, your entire sample went through another stage of lossy encoding -- you lost quality from the original.

I don't know what you mean by "encode to AC3". AC3 is Dolby digital, which is the audio format most often used in DVD and Bluray. The audio in the MediaInfo report is already AC3.

Quote:

Originally Posted by harky (Post 45701)

General
Complete name :KTV.mpg
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 302 MiB
Duration : 4 min
Overall bit rate : 9 547 kb/s
Writing library : encoded by TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 Version. 5.0.6.38

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Format settings, picture st : Frame
Duration : 4 min
Bit rate : 9 200 kb/s
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.888
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 289 MiB (96%)
Writing library : TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 Version. 5.0.6.38
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.601
Matrix coefficients : BT.601

Audio
ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 4 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 224 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 7.08 MiB (2%)

If you want work with lossy encoded MPEG captures, DO NOT USE encoding apps. Use smart-rendering editors like TMPGenc Smart Renderer or TMPGEnc Authoring Works, either of which could have allowed you encode your Layer-2 audio into AC3 without re-encoding the entire video. Video Mastering Works is not a smart rendering editor. It re-encodes whatever you put into it. You also wasted data bits by re-encoding at a fixed bitrate, which also increased your file size unnecessarily.

I capture the VHS using Wintv (MPG), i edit it using TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works (cut + AC-3).

The reason i want to use TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works because it allow to me to keep the (cut + AC-3) mpg.
TMPGEnc Authoring Works will direct making into DVD

Yes, I thought that's what you did. Mastering Works lossy re-encoded your MPG capture, which was altready lossy encoded as MPG. Re-encoding lossy MPG is a quality loss, and not necessary. Mastering Works is not a smart-rendering editor, it's an encoder.

TMPGENc Smart Renderer and TMPGenc Authoring Works can smart-render MPG and convert your audio without re-encoding the entire video track. Either of those apps can convert to AC3 audio without damaging the video track. But Smart Renderer writes only to DB disc, not DVD. If you want to smart-render your lossy MPG without re-encoding the video, and at the same time convert audio-only to AC3, use TMPGenc Authoring Works. It can smart-render MPG without re-encoding, can create DVD menus, etc., and burn DVD, BluRay, and AVCHD to disc.

Mastering Works was designed to convert various formats to other formats by re-encoding, or to take lossless un-encoded video and encode it to several formats. It is not a smart rendering editor. Even if you set up for DVD output, it will re-encode the video and create added compression artifacts that you don't want. It's a very good encoder, but not the correct tool for what you want to do.

I see... thanks.
i did try to get a dvd.. quite good.. LOL dont expect much for vhs.. just decent quality will do :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanlyn (Post 45631)

M2TS is an AVCHD TS (transport steam) container.

Nope. M2TS is an MPEG-2 Transport Stream that was later adapted for H.264 carriage by the broadcast industry.

So M2TS can (and often does) contain MPEG-2.

- When you make the M2TS, you should know what's in it.
- But when you just "find" an M2TS, you have to analyze the actual codec content, and cannot guess.

I've mostly avoided this thread because your answers have been spot-on. :wink2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by harky (Post 45703)

TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works (cut + AC-3).
TTMPGEnc Authoring Works will direct making into DVD

I use
- TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 4
- TMPGEnc Authoring Works 4

TAW is for BD authoring (as I still use DVDWS2 for DVD authoring, since it's more advanced).

SR4 is for my H.264 cut-editing.
I use Womble software for MPEG cutting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 45713)

Thanks for clarifying. Yes, M2TS can contain MPEG or h.264, I guess I didn't phrase it correctly.

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