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Originally Posted by hodgey
(Post 90084)
The last 2 letters is a designation of what marked it was sold in. Suspect EU is central/northern europe (sans france) and EK is british isles based on features but not 100% sure. Difference between EU and EK will mostly be tuner and broadcast stereo system support which isn't really relevant for capture though one potential relevant thing is that the variation sold in the British isles often lacked MESECAM support. The designation wasn't always super consistent though.
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You are 100% correct. :)
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Originally Posted by themaster1
(Post 89919)
The v510 should be a decent deck (sqpb, best features, hi-fi) but no tbc, only s-vhs decks have one (the higher end models)
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Generic lowest-end PAL consumer VCR. Not a good deck at all, way too low end.
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Originally Posted by kardus
(Post 90307)
This list is great, and so glad I've found this site. Made an account just to say thanks!
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:congrats:
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Extron RGB interfaces/scalers/matrix switches, and some modern upscalers/capture devices.
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Be careful with Extron gear, some BS is out there, claiming features/abilities not actually present, for functions never intended.
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I was surprised to see no Sony VHS devices in the list. Is the reason for this simply lacking features such as no TBC?
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The main reasons are that
- Not intended for consumer sources whatsoever, so no VHS, especially not LP and SLP/EP mode.
- Most Sony S-VHS decks are ancient, lacking features, and failing en masse (and have been for decades now, reason why so few are now seen).
- The Sony decks were intended for niche uses, such as using in hospitals, surveillance, or with pro turnkey Sony edit setups. So heavily used by non-video people, aja another reason units were abused, and mostly failed.
In the Sony S-VHS decks that were created for hobbyist/pro "prosumers", and using some % of consumer sources (ie VHS), where playback line TBC is essential, no such TBC was included. It was just overpriced, and you paid for the Sony name brand, not the features and function.
I believe a single Sony deck had TBC, but it's so rarely seen.
(Around 1998/99, I vaguely remember that Sony being on the shelf, at a flagship major-metro Circuit City store, next to an Aiwa S-VHS, and several JVCs. At the time, I was considering adding a non-JVC deck, but trying to resist pricey Panasonics, then ~$2k MSRP. I took a test tape with me. I left with another JVC.)
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For my rack project I was exclusively looking for rack-mounted/factory rackmountable equipment (which the Sonys seemed to satisfy) and from some quick searching noticed a lot of the recommended JVC/Panasonic suggestions did not have rack ears. So, I'm best to stick to only those in this list and then put them in a tray mount? Are there any rack equivalents or ones I missed/overlooked?
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JVC racks exist. The gear I sell in the marketplace isn't picked-over eBay junk sold by recyclers, but comes from more professional settings. It's often gear pulled from racks, from facilities ending analog work, or closing entirely. Most all TBCs and S-VHS have racks, it's simply harder to locate in the 2020s, seeing as how that was a 90s/00s need and use. Over the years, I tried to sell them cheap, then tried togive them away for free. No takers. I now just trash or recycle them.
Right now, I have a JVC rack in the garage. If you want it, just cover the shipping, and it's yours. It's in nice condition too, no real scratches. It wasn't even dirty until I set it out there. But I'd clean it back off for you. We can discuss details on the rack, the models it's made for, via PM.
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Originally Posted by latreche34
(Post 90308)
That uncertainty from the consumer kept their brand off the suggested list,
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That's exactly it. The suggested list for models that are guaranteed to work, though condition of course matters more now (good model + bad condition = bad unit). Anything that is screwy to use simply is not suggested. The list is meant to help others, not give them more problems. Yes, some items are omitted by oversight, but some are purposely not listed. In fact, after the forum upgrade, I want to create a list of NOT suggested items, with reasons.
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I'm pretty sure that some of their machines have some sort of time base correction since they did employ digital processing and memory buffers in some of their VCRs but there was no button to turn them on or off for comparaison purposes. hence there is no way to know their effectivness.
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I think you're referring to the old VTRs here, the medical and whatnot. And that's all correct for those. The units "do stuff", because the intended users were non-video persons. As we all know, reading is often hard, instructions are just more padding in the box. To protect their own brand reputation (ie, items work, and well, for that intended use), it had to be dumbed down for dummies. And not having buttons, menus, all cheaper to not implement.
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Originally Posted by hodgey
(Post 90309)
The majority of the listed models are prosumer decks meant to sit in someones living room
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No, never. Prosumer decks were intended for hobbyists, and professionals (tertiaries, backup, portables, smaller shops, etc), not Joe Sixpack that sat his duff on the couch with a bag of Cheetos.
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rather than designed with rackmount in mind, though some of the more editing-focused ones did to an extent.
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It was really just a case of smarter design, smarter at knowing their audience, and smarter at cost savings (everything from materials costs to shipping costs). These units did not need rack ears, but racks were optionally available as needed.
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There are some Sony SVHS VCRs with TBC, the SVO-5800 definitely has it, while the SVO-9500MDP and SVO-9600 with an add in card that states "corrects jitter" among other things. The 9500 you can see Jason Scott of archive.org using several of to digitize on his twitch stream with subsequent uploads to archive.org if you want to get an idea of how those work. Not seen much samples of the other too, though some people on videohelp have praised the 5800. These are all SP-only professional marked decks though.
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... and intended for special settings, heavily recording-only, sometimes linear editing.
A setting like medical is disgusting, so many (hopefully) dead germs/bacteria/allergens on and in those things. It's a petri dish. I've turned down medical VCRs, even for free, for decades now. No way. Nasty. Unless I know, with documented proof, what it was used in a non-medical setting. Normal VCRs are risky enough as it is (mold spew).
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In the Japanese marked there are some Sony consumer-oriented SVHS decks that advertise TBC, such as the WV-DR7/WV-DR9 and Wv-D9000 SVHS/DVCam combos, and the SLV-R7 (which looks to be a fancier variant of the SLV-R5 we got elsewhere.) and probably some more. Not much info in engish on any of these. The Japanese market had a number of bonkers over the top VCRs which we only got cut down variants of elsewhere.
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And NTSC-J, so IRE/pedestal doesn't match North America.
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Originally Posted by Eric-Jan
(Post 90310)
i know other people completly disagree with my opinion,
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It's because your opinion is based on a tiny sample size, where luck can massively skew your results. Furthermore, your samples to date have been extremely lackluster, even to other newbies/laymen. Again, I'm glad you found a solution for yourself, but many others won't be anywhere as pleased, and in fact your solutions won't work for them whatsoever.
Also notice this is a thread dedicated to recommended VCRs. Not other random cheap items. Stay on topic. ;)