Who wants to compare our VCRs?
 

Is anyone interested in this idea?

1. Decide on a big commercial VHS release
2. Each of us acquires that tape, plays it in our VCRs and through our capture chains
3. We share lossless videos and images of particular chosen segments to compare how each VCR model fares with particular settings enabled/disabled

The gigantic blockbuster releases of the late '90s or early '00s are good candidates:

• very, very plentiful
• therefore cheap
• even given away for free on Craigslist, at yard sales, etc.
• digitally mastered -- resulting in hopefully the highest quality VHS sources to be had
• a known quantity (unlike home recordings of test patterns created on different equipment)

I would propose Titanic simply because of gshelley61's JVC SR-W5U screenshots that wowed many of us, years ago. Unless someone around here has a SR-W5U to play a different movie on just for our comparison purposes. :D For Titanic, only Cassette Two is needed to grab the 4 frames there, I believe.

What say you all?

Me, me -- I do, I do!
There's at least 8 VCRs here. Right now two of four are in use. The other four are spares.

I don't have Titanic, however. More like Ninja Turtles, X-MEN, things like that. Guy flicks, not gushy chick flicks. :laugh:

X-Men is a penny + $3 shipping on Amazon for a sealed copy, so that wouldn't be bad. I also see a local sealed copy on Craigslist among a big list someone has.

The Matrix may be another contender?

I need time for this -- later this week. I want to dig out some tapes. I'm in pain today. The more muscles come back, the more they hurt. It's both good and bad. Had to lay in bed and a chair all day long.

This morning, both pain set in, I dug out X-MEN, and it is not a good test tape. The contrast values are wonky.

I kind of think Ninja Turtles is good.
Stars Wars is here too, of course!
Indiana Jones, maybe?

Isn't Star Wars (the THX sets) plagued with the "DVNR" artifacts seen on the 2006 DVD? I'd prefer not to do a Panavision film, anyhow. Open-matte like Titanic or native 4:3.

Now that I think of it, maybe we should pick a non-Macrovision tape in addition to a recent tape. I don't currently have access to my equipment that ignores copy protection, and the ATI 600 creates frames with varying brightness when it encounters Macrovision (in addition to the induced chopped/diagonals/like/this effect).

I would play along. I think this would be a great way to see how much better my VCR's are compared to yours. I'm sure mine is better than yours ;) Want to bet if I can outperform you? ;) :beer:

But if we were to do this, we need to come up with a clear data set. So if it's Titanic, be specific that it is. We all have to have a professional copy of the same tape to make this a good comparison right? Perhaps more than one data set? Titanic and X-Men? Or what? We need to also make sure that we have a data set that others can easily acquire. Otherwise, what's the point if no one else can acquire the same similar master tape?

For example, scout where we would obtain the tapes of Titanic or X-Men or otherwise? I'm willing right now to order a few tapes anywhere. But which ones? Where would I get that master tape?

For me personally, I want to transfer my home movies with the highest quality possible. This would be a fun way to push my equipment to the limit to see how much better my equipment it is than everyone elses ;). Or, where I can make improvements in my capture methods. So I am up for it! :karate:

To not be selfish though, I think comparing capture methods would help to show "which" VCR's really outperform the others. For example if the JVC SR-W5U is the king on the block, how much better is it say compared to another JVC VCR like those with the dynamic drum? Night and day difference? Or, only slightly better? Or perhaps, we would find another VCR that destroys the JVC SR-W5U! :yahoo1:

I can certainly afford to pay for a SR-W5U. Besides being hard to find, that's not the point. The point is if it's "worth" paying more for such a VCR over one that you only pay $200 for to accomplish the same thing.

Lay a game plan out, and I'll help to pursue it with you! ;) I'll order the tapes or try to buy them if they are attainable and play them back through my setup. So count me in!

- Erik -

Well I thought I did lay it out. Though I've altered it slightly now.

Two widely-distributed and sales chart-topping VHS releases:

• Tape A: From the late 90s/early 00s, with optimal AV quality.
• Tape B: No requirements beyond "no Macrovision". Could be as old as 1980 if we wanna get crazy, but I doubt those were produced in huge quantity.

Do you have any suggestions? Titanic has the disadvantage of being bulkier to ship than a normal tape, unless you convince the seller to just send you Cassette Two. This isn't a problem for those of us in North America who can buy locally, but perhaps others will want to participate.

im in the midst of building a new capture pc with an ATI AIW 9200 card.
hopefully will have it done soon.
but i have a mint AG-1980, a mint HR-S9600U and a SR-W7U.
i also have an SR-W5U, but alas the power supply is bad and i cant find a replacement.
i have a copy of "The Crow" here

does anyone have a Mitsubishi HS-HD2000U?
i have sold several of those and think they are among the best too.

I'm up for it! I don't suppose that they really lead to generalizable conclusions about specific models, but they are fun. It'd be a good idea too to compare different decks of the same model I think if we all have them, to at least get a vague idea of the range of issues. The one confounding factor to keep in mind is that the actual capture card used will also influence the results. I have a Diamond HD750 USB right now.

I could contribute results for the JVC SR-W5U, SR-V101US, HR-7800U, Panasonic AG-5710, and a couple of run of the mill Panasonic decks.

Let me know when we decide on which tape -- Titanic is probably not a good example, because while I do have a copy of it lying around I bought GShelly's SR-W5U deck from him, so that wouldn't be much of a contribution lol

I'd be up for this too, but I'd be a PAL guy in an NTSC crowd. Unless someone wants to compare PAL stuff? I'm interested in seeing the results regardless though.

Sorry to go off topic, but just briefly, does that USB stick really have the AGC pumping issues I've read about? Or does a TBC in the chain nullify the AGC pumping? It's got a fantastic comb filter, apparently, so I'm tempted to try it.

Does the SR-W5U have adjustable DNR?

Someone please suggest a plentiful Macrovision-free tape... I'm no VHS historian so I dunno what from the early 80s would still be floating around a lot now. :D

I say the more the merrier! We'll just specify which is which.

The problem with the 750HD USB does not seem to be universal to all versions of the device. I'm guessing it's either an equipment interaction issue or a bad run of the devices. I purchased mine in June 2012 from Newegg which seems to post-date most of the complaints about it. For those that do have the issue, a TBC is not a fix-all, nor is the use of other external equipment (signal clarifies and such), but for some people it does seem to lessen the impact of the issues.

I will say however, mine has never once displayed the issue and it's been a fantastic device. I was extremely paranoid about it, so for many months I only used it for captures that have been extensively monitored, mostly trouble tapes where I watch the resulting recording end to end and take notes of issues with the footage. In the process of documenting the performance of the card, I've had a few false positives, but each of those AGC-like problems were inherent to the original recording and could be duplicated when used with another capture card, my JVC DR-M100S DVD recorder, the Panasonic ES-10 recorder, and several different VCRs and equipment chains. So I'd say assuming the kinks have been worked out, it's worth a shot.

No, the DNR is not adjustable and in fact, it is less adjustable than any of the other JVC decks -- the TBC and DNR are either both on or both off, without any customizable picture modes to speak of (i.e. there is no sharp, soft, norm).

Also, we should have some video comparisons too, short clips, because a lot of the stuff not apparent in a single frame is more apparent in a few seconds of video. It'll give people a better impression of the actual look of the video "in action" rather than some cherry picked frames.

It might not be a bad idea (down the line if not in the first run here) to do comparisons using EP and LP footage too, since that might be more useful for many of us working with non-commercial footage. While Titanic makes a good baseline because it's mass produced and a great looking print, how many of us are really doing VHS to DVD conversions with such stellar footage? I think we should also choose a mix of shots too -- a few close-up shots (faces with some finer details, hair, wrinkles, etc) as well as some wider shots. Just something that will really show the different characteristics of the deck and some of the flaws as well, such as the edge-enhancement of some decks (the SR-W5U is guilty in this regard, something I freely acknowledge that LS has picked apart in previous screenshots).

Not to pick on ErikCalifornia, but the tone of some of your post concerns me a little bit for the purpose of this experiment. I think you're probably kidding, but it raises the issue and I'd like to say my piece about it. In my own opinion, I think that this thread will be supremely more useful to readers if it is not done in the spirit of competition or for bragging rights -- nobody should come into this with a vested interest in their particular setup or feel like they have to 'defend' it or convince others at the risk of their ego being bruised if not everyone favors their conclusions. Obviously people are going to have their opinions and that's fine. Everyone will learn something from it about decks they don't own, which is great. However I think we should go into this as a group with the goal of giving a given member on the forum an objective sample to make a more informed choice about which deck to buy for their particular set of tapes. Sorry if all of this comes off as holier than thou or something along those lines -- I guess my point is just that I don't want this to turn into a contest about whose setup is better, it should be just about the decks themselves, strengths/weaknesses and all.

These are my suggestions for non-Macrovision:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

I was also considering 1984 Empire Strikes Back, but that's a bit more expensive (I also don't know whether it is protected or not). If no one has a preference then I will unilaterally declare Flashdance. :D

^^ Keep in mind, you may also have the issue with really big movies having multiple versions released over the years and possibly different prints, so you wanna make sure the barcodes match between the versions we're using. I once ordered a used copy of the standup Bill Cosby "Himself" from the used Amazon section based on the specific version I was looking for and got a later 1990s re-release of it instead of the early 1980s release.

Otherwise, I am all for the "used for $0.01" stuff on Amazon haha.

Not sure if they fit the bill, but for 1980s tapes I've found very few concert/music video tapes have macrovision protection. It's fairly common for the second tape in a two tape set to not have macrovision as well, while the first tape does.

I appreciate that you admit you are not trying to pick on me. More than likely, I think you are probably gathering my 'tone' from these two statements made in my prior post:

"I would play along. I think this would be a great way to see how much better my VCR's are compared to yours. ;) I'm sure mine is better than yours Want to bet if I can outperform you? ;) :beer:"

Really, it was purposefully made to be childish or maybe playful is perhaps a better word? Does that clear it up for you? Like two good friends challenging each other to something fun. Ever play chess with a friend? Ever play sports? I do still play a variety of sports and outdoor activities with others. I enjoy when my friends challenge me and I challenge them. But, we do it in the spirit of fun. We do it to grow and learn. I'm a better guy for it!

"This would be a fun way to push my equipment to the limit to see how much better my equipment it is than everyone elses ;). Or, where I can make improvements in my capture methods. So I am up for it! :karate:"

You do notice the winks, the two guys bashing their mugs together (team effort), and the playful karate smiley ready to do battle? I think if you re-read my entire post, I'm enthused about comparing VCR's and jumped into the thread and wanted to have fun! Looks like a little playful yoda to me; the smiles here always crack me up and that's why they are there! Let me emphasize the word fun!

And what equipment do I have? I already admitted in the very same post I don't have the highly regarded SR-W5U while realizing others do (like yourself). So if anything, I already know I'd be lucky if I had a VCR that was considered on par with someone else's VCR that performs well. Do you see my crying about it? But still, you see me throwing out my :karate:, giving my VCR's a run, and having fun! We are comparing VCR's! Some will be better then others. Most will perhaps be better than mine! But so what?

I used the phrase, "king on the block" which perhaps may have been taken too strongly too. Yet the reality is, there are VCR's that are truly considered king over other VCR's. They are the Ferrari's or Lambo's of the VCR kingdom and have gained respect by enthusiasts. And why is that? Because they really perform well! And, they have a high price tag too go along with it. Look on eBay right now and you'll find the SR-W5U going for nearly $1000. So there is contrast: there are really good VCR's and VCR's that are not as good.

I'd say, don't tell others how to think (that's why we have moderators), nor be overly sensitive, and let the thread be the thread. :congrats: If anything, it's a VCR! There is no ego :) I could care less if someone's VCR is better than mine. So everyone, let's take our ego's out of this. See, no ego's here!

And, I'm sure others could care less if mine is better than theirs or there's is better than mine. As if I have a VCR that is so unique that no one else could not have the same! The point of the comparison is to perhaps better understand what makes a VCR good and what makes a VCR bad? Is the image much better? By how much is the image better? How could we all improve our setups to come closer to the ideal VCR? What is an ideal VCR anyway? Does it still exists among those that can be attained today?

Just to be clear, I didn't mention anything at all about ego, or bruising anyone else's ego, or am pushing anyone to try to defend their VCR; those were your words and creative imagination and not mine. Have you seen me put anyone down? Have I bragged? I think that's perhaps how you may have chosen to look at things. If you look at my post, it's all smiles my friend! Fun...smiles....and a go go go let's do it attitude! I saw this thread, and thought "Great, it would be fun to compare VCR's", was enthusiastic about msgohan idea to compare VCR's, and wrote my post (perfect or not in your eyes). That's all! No big deal! No ego's here! I have other more important things in life than having an ego over my or someones VCR. So I expect you to not have an ego over your VCR and everyone else to not have an ego over their VCR; this includes me. It's a VCR! Let's instead have fun! And make this a good comparison.

I'm happy to work with everyone in this experiment and I was simply being supportive and playful. We should all put our best VCR's in and see how they do. Yet, it is a challenge; not for us personally but instead for our VCR's! We certainly do not have to try to attach an ego to the VCR! Again, it's a VCR. It's not YOU and it's not ME. It's not personal! Instead, I'm interested in the performance and how well a good one does and why? We all just want to improve our setups and help each other figure out the idiosyncrasies that we may have with our own or to better help someone else out. So robjv1, maybe I'll get a chance to help you with your setup. And maybe you'll get a chance to help me with my setup. That's how it should be! But let me repeat, there is no ego! It's a VCR. Hopefully that is clear now :congrats:

Hopefully through the experiments, others will gain from it. Maybe it will help to differentiate which VCR would be more suited to their needs. Like I was emphasizing, I'm interested in transferring home movies. So, I'm eager to find a setup that is ideal for that. My interest is mostly high quality and at a SP speed. I don't need one that excels at EP. But that's me. Others, may want to find the best EP player. So, others here can post captures dealing with EP. And, I can certainly do a combination of both EP and SP with my hardware.

I hope that clears things up for you. Hopefully we can get past this as to not distract from the OP's original intent which I share...to compare VCR's and have fun! :congrats:

Your are also more than welcome to PM me if that should help you with any of your further concerns.

- Erik -

Yeah!!! :congrats:

I've purchased both Titanic and Flashdance. It's been awhile since I've had fresh VHS tapes. So, even if we don't use this for the comparison, it'll be fun for me to play around with. So, it's now on order.

Great suggestions!

I think we just need to work and lock down on a few VHS tapes tapes that we all would want to use for comparison purposes. Some with macrovision and some without?

- Erik -

No one else is putting forth suggestions...

I don't know about commercial tapes that are EP and LP, except for some kids' TV shows.

No worries, that all sounds pretty good to me. I may have been a little bit presumptive with my post to begin with, it was just that a few phrases here and there reminded me of the way these comparison threads sometimes go. People (and not necessarily you) can develop and almost religious fervor for their particular brand of doing things and make the dialogue about proving they are doing things the right way. I certainly don't want to give you the impression that my post was intended as a rebuttal to the type of person I'm assuming you to be, as I figured most of what you said was in jest anyway. I just thought I'd call attention to the concept since I thought of it. I don't necessarily think my viewpoint is the "right one" here, I just thought I'd put in my own two cents for the type of thread I'd like to see and the direction I'd like it to go in / not go in.

Yeah, I agree with that as a general principle, they are certainly high performing decks and those that aren't. It's interesting though how different opinions can be once you get into making distinctions among the better decks and I'll be interested to see where the conversation goes. It becomes rather subjective in some areas -- for example you have the whole detail vs noise debate, how much sharpness is enough and how much is too much.

One person's "just enough" sharp is another person's way too sharp (and vice versa). Even when looking at it from an objective viewpoint (halos caused by oversharpening and edge enhancement, grain patterns appearing in the video) you'll still have a good deal of people that prefer the technically "wrong" picture from an aesthetic point of view. There is of course nothing wrong with that if that's your preference, so it'll be interesting to see where the discussion goes in areas somewhat open for interpretation. So from that perspective, I suppose there is no 'ideal' VCR for everyone, but certainly there is an ideal VCR (or set of VCRs) ideal for one particular person's tastes and mix of tapes.

The SR-W5U/W7U are really good VCRs when you consider all of the reasons to use them and what they excel at, but I'd personally say that in terms of their performance, the price is probably out of line with the advantage it holds over other decks -- but I suppose that's attributed to a combination of their performance, the "legend" sort of created about them, and their relative rarity. Full disclosure too, I believe GShelly is in the advertising profession lol.

Anyhow, looking forward to your contributions, among others!

I already have Titanic, so I'd be up for using that one, although since I have GShelly's deck, we might as well pick different frames than the one used in his shots. I don't think I have Flashdance, but I'd be happy to pick it up. Which release do we have so far, so that we all get the same version? If you guys have the UPC code, that'd probably be the best way to guarantee we all get the same version.

As far as EP/LP tapes, how about we focus on those later if the SP part goes well? We probably have enough to do gathering SP tapes. I can make a list of titles I have in that format in the meantime.

I'd be happy doing some macrovision tapes, although it doesn't sound like everyone will be able to participate with that, given the equipment out there.

I must say I'm unclear about the method of this project. Is simply the VCR output to be compared, or the capture techniques also?

What I mean is, it's not really an accurate comparison if proc amps, detailers or other optimization hardware is used. It should be just a straight capture from VCR to lossless, using only the settings available on the VCR. This would be to measure such things as colour, detail, tracking and filtering performance of each machine. But even that poses a problem, as to what capture card and how it is used. Even what TBC is used.

For the purpose of the test, it'd make sense to use common capture hardware and have a common, calibrated workflow. It goes without saying everything should be in optimal condition, including good cables and power to prevent interference and so forth. But if it isn't then it's a good way to find out too. All this stuff is no issue for the pros, but for anyone wanting to join in, it could be.

I suggest using the ATI 600 for capture, it's easily available, affordable and compatible. I think there should be some kind of guide or outline to follow in this project, otherwise there's just too many variables for an accurate representation of a VCR. It makes it harder that even if you use the same movie release, there's still the variable of condition. Many things to account for here. Anyway, just my ideas.

How about this: we must post calibrated test patterns from DVE (or the VideoHelp MiscTestPatterns stills disc) before we post our VHS caps.

I think forcing everyone to use the ATI 600 is too restrictive.

@robjv1, thanks for your detailed response on the 750. I'd like to give my thoughts on this, I hope people don't mind -

From what I've read, the 750 is identical to the 650 but without the MPEG hardware encoder. 650 was the first to be blamed for overactive AGC, and I believed this was due to its multistage/multispeed AGC instead of single stage as found in ATI 550 - and the 600 I'm assuming, given its behaviour (source). No difference between USB and PCIe models, according to AMD. I tried to find 750 specs but couldn't.

I think the 650 problem was first brought up on this thread at videohelp. My issue is that an ES15 was used, not a true TBC, so all the AGC info could be partially inaccurate. Perhaps it is just oversensitive to unstable analog signals, which isn't ideal but should be easily solved. Reports saying that some stabilizer hardware fixed or lessened the problem is pretty indicative of that. ES15 is just line TBC/visual correction mainly, so not the right tool.

But then, I'm sure you probably did test this stick without a TBC, so all I've written is kind of pointless. I don't know why the problem wouldn't be universal though, if the reason for it is the multistage AGC.

Yeah I agree with msgohan, I think this should be pretty open -- forcing everyone into the same capture card would be too restrictive and I doubt everyone is going to be enthused enough to go out and purchase another capture device/buy a new system to take advantage of it just to post in this thread (more power to you though if you do!). Luckily since a lot of us own the same VCRs but different capture cards, we'll be able to compare the same models and see differences most likely attributed to the cards themselves. Capturing losslessly will certainly help mitigate the differences. We'll just have to accept that there will be some variability. There is going to be variability from deck to deck even -- both due to slight problems with the decks and general variations. I have an SR-W5U that pushes a too hot picture (the gain can be adjusted with a screwdriver internally though) and another that doesn't, so they would display noticeably different pictures, even though they are of relatively of the same vintage.

I would like to include Titanic, even the same frames as we already have from the SR-W5U -- since we don't have those frames with different settings flipped. Nor could I find any info on how gshelley61 had it set up at the time. Upon comparison, the DNR feels over aggressive to me. At least I assume it was turned on for his shots. If not then I really don't know..

Yeah, true. I just thought that since ATI 600 is cheap, and commonly accepted as a good card, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Particularly since many members on here already own one. It'd be one less variable, and an important one IMO. But if it's too restrictive then so be it.

I wonder if we could find some place to do this conversation via chat, since a few of us seem to be online at the same time.

Lots of good analysis in your post. As far as testing for non-TBC tapes, I've done probably 15 or 20 hours of captures on a plain VHS Panasonic PV-9xxx series VCR and maybe a few hours less than that on a VHS Panasonic PV-7xxx series VCR and found no issues with the AGC. I've used it in conjunction with an ES-10 as well on my JVC SR-W5U with the TBC disengaged. 95% of those were Hi-fi EP tapes recorded off cable TV in 1997/1998. I suppose the triggers for the issue could be more complex though as for why some people seem to be hounded by it and others aren't. It's a mystery to me if it's due to the AGC specifically.

Sure, that's fine with me.

The SR-W5U is a TBC ON / DNR-ON, TBC OFF/DNR OFF system so it's likely engaged there. If I recall correctly though, he captured with a DVD recorder, which may have had it's own DNR on top of what the VCR does (and obviously not lossless). I did do a thread on Videohelp comparing the SR-W5U and SR-V101US, but that also used a JVC DR-M100 DVD recorder.

I'm going to walk outside right now, and see what we've got. Back in a bit. :)

If anybody wants to chat at any point, I set up an IRC channel -- it's available via this link: http://webchat.freenode.net/

The channel name is #VCRcompare

Alright, I went and dug Titanic out of storage. It's the two tape, full-screen version, ISBN 0-7921-5171-2 / UPC 09736-33481-39. There is Macrovision protection on both tape 1 and 2. I have to say, I've seen better VHS pictures too for a movie, it looks a little DNR-y out of the box. The SR-W5U has a full-frame TBC built in, so I don't have to use my DataVideo TBC to get a capture (the 750HD does not ignore MV).

Let me know which version of Flashdance we're using -- there appears to be at least four or five different releases on VHS.

Edit: Just for fun, I went ahead and made a quick screenshot, though I don't think this particular frame was part of GShelly's series in the one thread, he did use it later on in another thread (http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/1...=1#post1105897). My own personal commentary is that overall I like how it is rendered on my deck, but for this movie I think it's a touch overly sharp and could use a little bit of temporal filtering.

Equipment chain: JVC SR-W5U VCR (TBC ON) --> DIAMOND ATI Theater HD 750 USB

Edit: Oops, uploaded the wrong image, that one is with my PA-200 in-line, in unity mode. The direct image is attached.

Does anybody have a link to GShelly's thread on VH with the images we'll be using?

Also, to take advantage of the site's before and after feature, here is the original captured image as well as the original image with a little bit of temporal filtering (a more pleasing look IMO)

Edit: ... if I could figure out how to do it :p How do you upload an image directly to the site (versus creating a link to an image hosted on another site, per the guide) without adding it as an in-line image?

Alright trying this again:

Here we are!

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Subtle difference, but I think it's a little bit more pleasing on the eyes, especially the cheeks, at least as a still.

Okay, here are the others from the Titanic VHS (not resized). Not 100% sure I grabbed the exact right frame for #1 and #3.

http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/atta...1&d=1363827992
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/atta...1&d=1363827992
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/atta...1&d=1363827992

Looking at the GShelly61 pictures again and judging by the darkness of some of his images (especially that captain shot which is downright murky), I think he (or possibly I) may having issues with the MV slipping through with his combination of equipment. With the exception of the captain shot and the morse code, I noticed that he chose shots with very sudden, bright light sources, presumably to compensate for the very dark images otherwise in those scenes. I own three SR-W5Us, and I believe the one I have hooked up at the moment was his deck although I'm not so sure now. I'll do some captures with the other fully working one with the same material to see if it has any issues with the MV on the Titanic tape. I've had a few problems with tapes where I had to toggle the TBC on and off a few times to successfully defeat the MV. I'll probably redo all of these once I calibrate my card, but I thought I'd get us started.

Edit: It looks like he used a Sima Color Corrector in the chain for some of the images

I pulled out 8 tapes that I can work with:

• Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
• The Rocky Horror Picture Show
• Crocodile Dundee
• Lethal Weapon 2
• Hook
• Kindergarten Cop
• Home Alone
• Dick Tracy

These are what I can work with. I can't do Titanic. If we pick one of those, I'll be part of the test. :)

I'm gonna visit a thrift store nearby and see if they have any of those.

Don't think I have any of 'em but happy to locate them. Any barcodes so we can assure the versions/prints are the same?