Best ATI All In Wonder card alternatives, to transfer tapes to digital?
This has been discussed before on the forum, but I'll run down the short list again... :cool:
Best ATI All In Wonder Card Alternatives If you're forced to use newer OS (Windows Vista/7/8/10), and newer hardware (no AGP slot), then you'll want to look at these alternatives. Choose from either $100-range consumer capture cards (ATI, Hauppauge, Canopus), or $500-range professional capture cards (Aja, Matrox). At minimum, each works flawlessly in VirtualDub, as well as their own specialized capture software. Suggested professional capture cards: (analog to digital + other advanced video features!)
Quick History on Why ATI AIW Cards are Preferred The ATI All In Wonder card -- or more specifically, the ATI Theatre Rage and Theatre 200 chipsets on the cards, coupled with the ATI Multimedia Center (ATI MMC) software -- were an unexpected force on the video capturing market. Prior to the ATI AIW cards, you could choose from really crappy $50-100 consumer capture cards based on Bt chipsets, or high quality professional specialty cards in the $1000+ range (DV only, MPEG only, etc). ATI managed to create a card that had most of the capture abilities of higher end cards (MPEG-2, DV, etc), as well as the advantages of lossless and uncompressed AVI capturing. As an added features, it threw in some PVR type functions. These cards really ate into the business of the higher end card makers like Matrox, and pushed down the prices of inferior cards based on Bt/Conexant. For several years there, if you were capturing video (and doing a good job at it!), you were using something from ATI, Hauppauge, Canopus or Matrox. Fast forward to about 2009, and most video capture cards and DVD recorders had died off, replaced by TiVo-like clones meant to only record from TV. Advanced features created for analog conversion had largely been dumped, making new cards useless for all but recording ATSC "digital" TV (including HDTV). Therein lies the reason many people still use, keep and look for these "old" ATI All In Wonder cards. The suggested ATI All In Wonder cards are here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post13441 The only downside to these older cards is that you're pretty much required to use Windows XP, and you'll need a motherboard and CPU from that era. You can't buy the latest-and-greatest quad-core Intel and Windows 7. That generation of OS and hardware belongs to the "PVR" generation of video -- not the analog-to-digital conversion era. When possible, simply get a motherboard with AGP. Dumping a motherboard is preferred to dumping the ATI AIW cards. Quote:
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Bleary Eye'd from exhaustive researching AIW Cards
Will become premium member soon!...But as an aside,from this topic..A BIG THANK YOU! For this site!!..Last year I found a Brand New Mitsu. HS-HD2000U At: "MR. TV" in Grand Terrace,Ca. for $189.00 out the door!!and sealed factory to boot!!(don't tell anyone,but they still have 2 more as of 6/15/2011!) Phone is (909)824 2500...Then got an AVT 8710,Then a new WIN 7 System with TV Wonder 650 hd...Then tried a few captures with poor results...Then After researching your forums further,discovered that An XP system built around an AIW Card IS THE WAY TO GO!! So as I started asking around the local comp and surplus stores,Not only did I get some funny looks,but also opened another bag"o"worms;Like missing I/O cables for AIW cards,AGP vsPCI,Ect,Ect,!!!...My Question is I found an AIW 2006 Edition Radeon 9600 agp 8x/4x online NEW for 59.00 @ an online retailer that looks legitimate! Should I Grab Now??? Also was wondering if any diff between the AGP /PCIE version of this particular card?Since the PCIE cards were changed for the worse???And if this card truly is NEW,it should have all the stuff and save a lot of hassle?Also,any suggestions for a low cost XP CPU components?(mob,processor,ect...)And finally,a local surplus store has an AIW x800xt for 15.00,but I would need to get the cables AND internal power cable AND PARYAY! THAT IT WORKS!.....Already located, cables n stuff are available at S.video.com and TXcess.com.Sorry for long wind,But thanks for any help!(2 years of flustration and counting)Rewards just around the corner!!??
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As far as the nuanced differences between the various ATI All In Wonder Radeon cards, Read this post: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post13441 The 2006 edition card was the last AGP slot card, and was for AGP 4x/8x motherboards only. Only buy this card is your motherboard has a true 8x AGP slot in it. Otherwise it will not function. That's the only real trick. I don't offhand recall what versions of ATI MMC 9.x it was limited to, but would not be surprised if it was for the final non-VideoSoap editions. If it is sold as "new" and the seller is not lying, then I think it's fair to assume all parts be present. |
I got a Conexant 2388x, MSI TV @nywhere, how is that compared to the one recommended?
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I have no idea what the original software is supposed to be.
I bougth the card separate from Ebay, and used special drivers to get it working in windows 7 x64. And now i am currently using it in Dscaler, which in the latest version has a unique drivers which works even better. I can capture Yuy2 Lossless, NTSC,PAL,SECAM,PAL60(only with dscaler driver). Donīt know whatīs more important, maybe that the White Crush isnīt Ideal so i am trying to tweak it. |
I don't remember how the quality compared to ATI and others listed here.
But I will say this: I do NOT remember there being any widespread complaints about this card. And that's a good sign. |
Well that's good :)
But what is the main difference between cards? As there isn't a Precise way to capture analogue. If we skip the part where they drop frames thanks to no-tbc etc, or the likes. And just go with the quality of the picture? From what i have read does the Intensity Pro have issues with frame drops without a TBC, when older cards (ATI, Conextant etc) doesnīt. |
Compared to the 878, there's adaptive comb filtering and 10bit adc. The white crush problem could be corrected by another device with a procamp. The procamp controls on the cx only multiply the values that were already digitized. The cx has one nice feature though, a vbi mode that can record the entire raw signal including hsync, about 1400 pixels per line. I'm working on using that for line-tbc.
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Oh i see, well i wouldnīt want something else in my chain.
And yeah i know, from Doom9, itīs really interesting, and tell me if i can help you with anything. I am not technical and stuff, but i have the card so i may be able to do something perhaps:) But why canīt the White Crush be solved without something else in the chain btw? |
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Black levels (IRE) isn't quite as bad of an issue, as it tends to just brighten black, as opposed to destroy shadows. But it's in the same family of errors. And it can go either way -- reparable or irreparable. Also remember that this can alter luminance, which includes green color shifting. Ideally, you want all devices to respect colorspaces properly. |
I see BM has a new Intensity Pro 4K. It replaced the Intensity Pro, and comes with DaVinci Resolve Lite (as a download), at the same $190 price point (at B&H).
Anyone tried it? It supports 10-bit analog capture now, both uncompressed and compressed formats. It requires 4-lane (or more) PCIe v2 slot (the prior Pro card did work in a 1-lane). The TBC mentioned on their site is not a true TBC in the usual line or frame/field sense. It was described as being more tolerant of time base error and will be less likely to drop the video. Instead of dropping video with time base error you now capture it with any time base error visible. Anyone tried it? |
It does drop frames. On VideoHelp I shared my experience trying it out. I haven't had time to do anything more with it yet.
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Bump!bump!bump!bump!
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I've taken over this sticky thread, and have given some updates. If you have something to add, please do so. :)
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The first one capture card in the list is Hauppauge 610 USB2 capture stick. Does this mean that other cards with same chipset (Conexant CX23012) are as good as this card or is it special in some way? I have AVerMedia DVD EZMaker 7 and Gotview MasterHD 5, but I have one issue with them, and I wonder if I have to replace them or just getting one of the recommended VCR will be enough to solve it?
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Two quick checks on the MD Intensity Pro and Intensity Pro 4K capture cards.
Source: live s-video feed from a NTSC Canon XL1 3-CCD camcorder. Target: MacBeth ColorChecker chart illuminated by two halogen floods Manual white balance to gray card. Exposure set so that the bright white square (lower left) is on the verge of zebra (about 95 IRE) The IP and IP4K Desktop Video Utility capture configuration in neutral setting. Uncompressed 4:2:2 8-bit YUV AVI capture format. No filters or other processing applied The JPG created by loading the video clips on an Edius 7.5 Pro timeline and a still saved for each clip. Still1205_00001.JPG from the Intensity Pro with the 10.4.2 drivers and Media Express 3.4.1. Still1205_00002.JPG from the Intensity Pro 4K with the 10.5.1 drivers and Media Express 3.5. Note that this is from a stable source, and says nothing about the ability of the cards to capture from a source providing a signal is outside the NTSC legal bounds. It does show the differences between the cards/drivers color balance. |
If these are being fed the same signal, it looks like your IP4K is also misaligning the image (causing the bottom to be cropped) like mine.
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Same signal source and settings, but the camera may have shifted a bit as the cables were changed from one computer to the other.
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AVerMedia is not a quality brand. |
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