One-step guide for making kDVDs ?
 

Is there some sorta T.O.K. or calcumatic for cce? no right?
manual perdiction just doesnt work on movies like " the run down "
the smallest i could make that was like 2 gb (without losing quality)
PLEASE tell me theres a miricle 1 step kDVD makin gui thatr lets u set a final destination file size :( :( :( :(
720 x 480 mpeg2 with tmpg takes about 12-14 or 16 hours on my comp
(so screww that idea)

dvd2svcd(dvd2dvd)with D2SRoba!

DoCCE perhaps ?
I never used it but it is normally to compute correct Q factor automatically.
(sorta "automatic manual prediction" :-))

Note: I never had manual prediction taht fails on any movie :x

yes Phil, i still don't test DoCCE and maybe is cool to but with d2sroba i got perfect file size for 2 or 3 movies in 1 dvd media!

As I need to do movies with 2 audio tracks and 1 subtitle, I don't thing Roba can be of a great help here. D2sRoba does only the m2v, right ? It doesn't deal with audio tracks and selectable subtitles as D2S does for KVCD/KSVCD ?

Because if it is "just" for making the m2v, the manual prediction method with Q mode is far faster (encoding in 1 pass and not 2) and better quality. And that is why I didn't tried Roba yet.

thanks sooo much guys, I have tryed dvd2svcd but is roba or whatever diff? & i think i will give docce a shot
:D

Roba is an automatic method to find the correct Q to encode. But I did a mistake : roba does not work in 2pass.
In fact Roba is to avoid to use the 2pass encoding that is the default in D2S when using CCE. Quality is greatly better.

Jorel, am I right or wrong ?

I did a search on google but no english results & i think DoCCE anale is not it lol
where is the homepage?

YES Phil, :D you can do(i did yesterday for 2 movies)
adjust Roba for 1/2 dvd size.
open d2s select 2 audio tracks(imy choice is "do not convert audio(use source audio)
choose 2 languages for subs(great feature-in subtitle palette, you can choose the color and font for subs..my choice is yellow or money...better than the white default color)
in cd image tab select "dvdauthor"
:arrow: select multipass vbr(no matter the number of passes choosed,will be always 2)don't use one pass vbr!

choose "edit as part of video encode",when this window open,remove all resizes and use only undot() and deen()...click save,ok.
or copy this script to avisynth.ini (your choice)
[AVISYNTH_ NO Resize - Undot - Deen]
0=undot()
1=Deen()# low Q in CCE266 with kvcd notch matrix
or this for extreme compression(very slow but great quality and compression):
[AVISYNTH_ NO Resize - Undot - Deen]
0=undot()
1=Deen("a3d",3,4,1,4)# very low Q in CCE266 with kvcd nothch matrix- cool for 3 movies

:arrow: no matter if you rip the movie to hd, choose "internal routines" for perfect audio sincro.
encoder CCE266-choose kvcd notch matrix!
run...
repeat this steps to the second movie(or 3 movies,your choice)

i got 2 movies(each with 2 ac3 audios, 2 subs) in perfect final size.
now i only need one tool to do the menu!
:wink:

quality?....see your own results, will be better than my opinion!

Doom9.
Do you know ? ;-)
http://www.doom9.org/software2.htm

:?: :?:
So Roba is 2pass ? There is no gain at all then ? What is the purpose of Roba :?:

What do you have at the end of the process ? I guess that DVDAuthor does a VIDEO_TS directory with all ifo and vobs there ?

thanks & now i do know

i cant even get it to start keeps saying
cce executable associated with eclcce is not supported :(

it's probably limited to cce2.50 OR cce2.66 but not both. And unfortunally, you don't have the correct version :-)

You can try DIKO. It does DVD sources and DivX sources, and prediction is integrated and automated.

hi vemesquito i thought the testing verson didnt support dvd?

the purpose of roba is:
first some little(fast)steps choosing the Q factor,then one full pass with the Q factor found to create the .vaf file(if i remember the right name of this pass) and another full pass to do the final encode!
i know, seems "strange" choose "multipass vbr" and no matter the number of passes,can be 2, 3 or 4, just the same!
:arrow: give the perfect size that you choosed.

and yes, you got an VIDEO_TS directory with all ifos and vobs there for each movie,open as dvd source in powerdvd or windvd and choose language and subs for test! (and one more zipped file with everything inside too(for author))..of course, encode one movie first then the others.

It's not a testing version. It's a Free version. A test version (also known as demo) does not allow you get something done, just lets you test. For example, if I created a version that only did 5 minutes or something like that, or embeeded a watermark, etc. You can use the Free version forever if you want, I just created the Gold version for those who want a little more advanced features and are willing to reward me for my work.

The Free version allows DVD sources, but you have to manually create the D2V projects and convert the subtitles to SRT format using SubRip.

i live in canada man, $ 19.95 u.s.a. funds ='s like $40 canadian dollars
do it for $20 canadian & i'll think about it :D

Creating the vaf and then encoding in a second pass is the basis of a 2pass encoding. Then there is NO NEED to determinate a Q factor as the encoding is Average Bitrate based and not Q based :!: :?
There is NO Q factor setting in CCE when you choose multipass VBR (I just checked)

:arrow: I still don't see any gain and interest in the roba method then !

Do you have any documentation on this ?

For sure, it's a 2pass encoding !

Okay.

EDIT: I wonder is Roba can be an hybrid method between Q encoding and 2pass one. I mean, first pass in Q mode and second in VBR mode ? That is theorically a nonsense... :?

The Untouchable,

Despite my explanation, you didn't got the point. So let's try again:

You can do this using the Free version of DIKO.
You can do this using the Free version of DIKO.
You can do this using the Free version of DIKO.
You can do this using the Free version of DIKO.
You can do this using the Free version of DIKO.

Do I need to say it again? :lol: You don't have to buy the Gold version to do this, unless of course you feel like it. And just to let you know, I got registred users in many countries, including canada. :wink:

(07/07/2004 - 17h45 - Paris Stock exchange : 1US$ = 1.322 $CAN)

So 19.95 is 26.37 $CAN ;-)

i got what u said

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64886

RoBa _is_ a one-pass variable bitrate method. The Q value is predicted and then used to do a OPV encode. I think that D2S does a second pass if the filesize isn't close enough to the desired value.

That's what I thought (I called that an "automatic manual prediction") and that has much more interest like this :-)

Did you choose the eclCCe instead of CCE in the encoders tab of dvd2svcd

That is DoCCE that gave him troubles, not DVD2SVCD ;-)

OK i was a little confused but i thought i would answer any way :D

diko doesn't let u keep the menu does it?

No, but do you know any method of putting more than 1 DVD in one KDVD that does?

u don't have to be such a smartass, I'm trying the program son,
I have never used the program b4 so I did'nt know.
ok another question ... if i set media size to 1500 mb
is that including my audio or just the video?
1 more question, if i don't use the author then what kinda files am i left with m2v & ac3 or vob ?

I was not being so. I was just reminding that it's a very hard thing to be done.
You don't need to do that. You can feed all movies at once. Leave the media size at the default value, feed one D2V/AC3/SRT for each movie and let it do the job.
You can set movie size to half DVD if you are low in space, but the value in media size counts for audio, video and mux overhead.
M2V,AC3 and SRT if there's subs.

thank you ...
i launched the program & it crashed?

it mighta bin cuz i loaded a .sub file & not srt cuz now it seem to be finding a Q rate & using besweet i'll keep u posted

Phil,you don't listen to me(again)!
:arrow: choose 2 or 3 or 10 passes using multipass vbr and :arrow: roba will find the perfect Q for the size :!: :!: :!: :!:
i'm repeating: first little faster encodes to find the Q,another full pass to create the .vaf file and another full encode to get the full size choosed.
:arrow: this is the only way that i use and i have lots of dvds using this way!
:? why you don't believe? test it and you got what i'm telling you!
make your test!

Try an older version (0.62), the latest version is crashing without showing the error message. It will be fixed soon. But most likelly you didn't create the working folder.
Please post your further problems in DIKO Forum so we don't get off topic. :wink:

Boulder and Phil,
take a look why i'm choosing multipass vbr with Roba in D2s:
see the answers from DDogg,after i did questions and the last post from jsoto about subs.....i only encode like DDogg posted for me and i get perfect sizes!!!!

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...0&pagenumber=1

edited> i forgot to post the link

I'm not saying shit yet but this looks like it might just work, when i fed it srt file it started working, the only thing is that there was 4 srt files i chose the 1st 1 lol
& sorry next time i have a diko question i'll go to that part'a the forum

Of course you'll get perfect sizes, you're 1) first doing a vaf file creation pass, using the Q value RoBa has predicted and 2) then doing a resize pass using the average bitrate you wish the final output to have.

This method is not the main purpose of the RoBa method. The purpose is to do a 1-pass variable bitrate encode. If the Q value has been predicted accurately, you won't have a large difference between the final filesize and the desired filesize.

Trust me, I know what I'm saying.

I listen to you but YOU do not listen to me (or do not read my post correctly ;-)

And I repeat : when you have a first (here second, but that is the first FULL one) pass to create a vaf THEN a second pass to encode the movie THAT IS A 2PASS ENCODING !

JOREL I'M REALLY PISSED OF READING YOU ALWAYS THINK I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU :!:
YOU do not read me and then you think that I do not believe you !
And that is always like this :!:

I just explained to you that 1pass for vaf + 1pass for encoding is a 2pass encoding.

:arrow: What is so hard to understand in this ? Count on you digit : 1 + 1 = 2 ! That is not a matter of english that's MATHS !

:arrow: And where do you read in this that I do not believe that you do all your DVD like this !

Now, Boulder confirmed what I already thought : Roba is a 1pass Q based method. And you confirm also that there is a very first step where the Q is determined.

So NOW what I have to verify is WHY it needs TWO pass after it find the Q because IN TWO PASS YOU CAN'T SPECIFY THE Q VALUE (this settings does not exists). So doing 2 pass after having found the Q is incompatible.

BUT I DIDN'T SAY THAT YOU ARE WRONG IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I just say (and repeat to be sure you won't take that AGAIN as an attack) that I HAVE to verify what D2SRoba does exactly :!:

EDIT : while I was typing Boulder explained exactly was I was wondering : in fact Roba is an hybrid between Q based (that is one pass) and 2pass encoding !
I have to see how is the result with this because 2pass is generally of less quality than Qbased. But I never thought it was possible to do the 1st pass in Qbased mode and the second pass in VBR mode :?