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gamma

08-12-2005 01:48 AM

The Matrix Trilogy

Hi all, just wanted to report a 6 hour succes. As there is a special topic for 120 minutes with kvcd, I thougt this would be worth mentioning.

I did a backup of the matrix trilogy. I've cut the credits to archieve a higher quality for the movies.

Used 704x576 as res, min 100, max 4500 bitrate. Encoded with tmpgenc with different cq factor for each movie, with revolutions at cq 64.

Didn't use the MA, because of the blurring it does. Just used a simple removegrain() and stmedianfilter(3,3,1,1). For the audio, I used the original 2channel ac3 track, which is 128kb/s.

Looks very good, to be honest I didn't expect it to come out so well because of all the action/effects :D

Prodater64

08-12-2005 03:07 AM

Congratulations.

gamma

08-12-2005 04:43 AM

Yeah, i know, it doesn't seem special anymore to put up to 6hours dvd-quality on one disc... Just wanted to point out that it is indeed very special what we're doing here :D

Zyphon

08-12-2005 04:52 AM

Well done, thanks for posting your results.

I was thinking of doing the same thing but was worried about the overall quality I would get but now I might give it another go. :)

gamma

08-12-2005 06:10 AM

Thanks, Prodater and Zyphon!

Quality is ok, if you give me a framenumber, and tell me how i can post images, i can show how it looks like.
As I said, i did cut the credits to archieve a higher quality for the movie.

Zyphon

08-12-2005 09:03 AM

Could you post a picture of some of the high action scenes.

Particularly I would like to see the section when Prodater64 is fighting multipal Dialhot's. Oops! :oops: I mean when Neo is fighting multipal Mr. Smiths in that yard in Matrix Reloaded. :lol: :rotf:

Also in Matrix Revolutions when Neo is fighting Mr. Smith in the rain near the end.

You can upload your pictures for free using the link below:

http://www.imageshack.us/

Prodater64

08-12-2005 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon

Particularly I would like to see the section when Prodater64 is fighting multipal Dialhot's. Oops! :oops: I mean when Neo is fighting multipal Mr. Smiths in that yard in Matrix Reloaded. :lol: :rotf:
http://www.imageshack.us/

What does multipal mean?

@gamma: You can upload samples with rapidshare.de

or yousendit.com

Dialhot

08-12-2005 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodater64

What does multipal mean?

pal = fellow.
Multipal = a lot of fellows.

Michael refers to the idiot scene where you are supposed to fight a lot of me and win. Pfff... :-D

note: it's impossible this scene is correct with 4500 as max and CQ=64. Don't use that only to judge the quality of the overall conversion.

Zyphon

08-12-2005 11:18 AM

@Prodater64

Multipal means many, the scene when there are hundreds of Mr. Smiths fighting Neo. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot

note: it's impossible this scene is correct with 4500 as max and CQ=64. Don't use that only to judge the quality of the overall conversion.

That's a good point Phil you are right of course. I was just interesting to see how this scene looked.

It would be nice to judge the other scenes where there is not much action just dialogue. :)

gamma

08-13-2005 03:12 AM

Zyphon

08-13-2005 03:48 AM

@Prodater64

My bad, I just realised that I misspelt Mulipal. It should have been Multiple. Boy I feel dumb. :oops:

@gamma

Those screenshots look pretty good, I am quite impressed with the overall quality considering you squeezed 6 hours onto one DVDR.

gamma

08-13-2005 04:18 AM

Thanks, zyphon :D

Zyphon

08-13-2005 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma

Thanks, zyphon :D

Your welcome. :)

Prodater64

08-13-2005 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon

@Prodater64

My bad, I just realised that I misspelt Mulipal. It should have been Multiple. Boy I feel dumb. :oops:

You often use "encode multipal videos..."
This is the first time I understand what you meant.
:D

(I thought you do encodes whith several variation of PAL system, but I disscarted that inmediately)
:lol:

@gamma: I like that pictures.

Zyphon

08-13-2005 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodater64

(I thought you do encodes whith several variation of PAL system, but I disscarted that inmediately)
:lol:

@gamma: I like that pictures.

Lol. :lol: Yes I can see where the confusion comes from.

I don't know why but I seem to always suffer from dyslexia when it comes to this word for some reason without even realising it. I must remember for future references that it is multiple not mulipal. :rotf:

Dialhot

08-13-2005 06:02 AM

The snapshots are very impressive :!:

That's what we can have when the sources are perfect. Very nice work.

Prodater64

08-13-2005 07:01 AM

@gamma: could you take a snapshot to the scene when Smith strike Neo in his face and we can see the finger marks in the Neo's face?

I like that still picture (btw, it remember me old times, some conversations between Dialhot and me).

:rotf:

Zyphon

08-13-2005 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot

The snapshots are very impressive :!:

That's what we can have when the sources are perfect. Very nice work.

I totally agree. :D

@gamma

You say you used TMPGEnc to encode the movies? Is that Mpeg2?

The reason I ask is that TMPGEnc Mpeg2 quality is not so good.

I would like to try this with CCE and see the results. I would probably use the trim() in AviSynth to cut the end credits.

It would be interesting to see the results. :)

So in your script you only had:

Code:

removegrain()

stmedianfilter(3,3,1,1)

Did you do the resizing in TMPGEnc? I was going to use AviSynth to resize.

Would you suggest Bicubic Precise over Lanczos resizing? I heard that Lanczos resizing is sharper but can produce large filesizes.

Thanks for sharing your results with us the snapshots look great. :)

gamma

08-13-2005 09:58 AM

Quote:

Dialhot wrote:
The snapshots are very impressive

That's what we can have when the sources are perfect. Very nice work.

Thanks!

Quote:

Zyphon wrote:
You say you used TMPGEnc to encode the movies? Is that Mpeg2?

The reason I ask is that TMPGEnc Mpeg2 quality is not so good.

I would like to try this with CCE and see the results. I would probably use the trim() in AviSynth to cut the end credits.

I encoded in tmpgenc, 704x576, and as it is dvd, it was mpeg2 indeed.
I tested also with CCE, which i normally use, but at the lower bitrates of max 4500 tmpgenc gave me a much better result!

I used the trim() also, with the range determined using vdubmod and it's script editor. (option insert trim with range)

The script I used was this:

Code:

Removegrain(mode=2)

STMedianfilter(3,3,1,1)



LanczosResize(672,544,8,4,704,568)



DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)



AddBorders(16,16,16,16)

The DCTfilter seemed to give me a lower filesize, I'm not sure if I should have used it but the screenshots speak for their own :wink:

Quote:

Zyphon wrote:
Did you do the resizing in TMPGEnc? I was going to use AviSynth to resize.

No, I used avisynth also to resize.

Quote:

Zyphon wrote:
Would you suggest Bicubic Precise over Lanczos resizing? I heard that Lanczos resizing is sharper but can produce large filesizes.

As you can see in the script, I used Lanczos. I always use that, it provides nice sharp images. Bicubic resize gives a softer image, and thus a (slightly) smaller filesize. So I would suggest Lanczos.

Quote:

Zyphon wrote:
Thanks for sharing your results with us the snapshots look great.

You're welcome, and thanks!

gamma

08-13-2005 10:28 AM

Prodater64 wrote:

Quote:

Could you take a snapshot to the scene when Smith strike Neo in his face and we can see the finger marks in the Neo's face?

I found the stills where Neo strikes Smith and we see the marks in Smith's face... (thus the other way around :wink: )

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i...2005/08/21.jpg

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i...2005/08/22.jpg

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i...2005/08/23.jpg

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i...2005/08/24.jpg

Zyphon

08-13-2005 10:53 AM

@gamma

Thank you for your detailed reply.

I shall run some tests using the script that you posed here thanks. :)

Btw those pics with the fingerprints look good also. :)

Prodater64

08-13-2005 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma

Prodater64 wrote:

Quote:

Could you take a snapshot to the scene when Smith strike Neo in his face and we can see the finger marks in the Neo's face?

I found the stills where Neo strikes Smith and we see the marks in Smith's face... (thus the other way around :wink: )

Oh, sorry I was confused and thanks.
Very nice.

gamma

08-13-2005 11:25 AM

You're welcome, and thanks.

Dialhot

08-13-2005 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma

You're welcome, and thanks.

Okay now stop kidding and tell us you are posting snapshot from the source :lol:

Honnestly I'm quite sure that I would have never try to compile the three movies on a single disc, even if I know what can be done with KDVD. The only thing that does not please my tastes in what you did is that you had to use the 2.0 audio track to accomplish that.

Prodater64

08-13-2005 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot

Honnestly I'm quite sure that I would have never try to compile the three movies on a single disc, even if I know what can be done with KDVD. The only thing that does not please my tastes in what you did is that you had to use the 2.0 audio track to accomplish that.

As myself.

One of my favourite "audio scenes" is first movie, begin, when Trinity is running across the metal roof, and when she meets the truck.
Surely it is not the same with 2.0 audio at 128 kbps, but anyway gamma's work is very nice.

Zyphon

08-13-2005 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot

Okay now stop kidding and tell us you are posting snapshot from the source :lol:

Lmao. Nice one Phil I nearly fell off my chair I was laughing so hard when I read this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot

It is certainly an achievment to get all those movies onto one DVD as they all go 2 hours each

The matrix is 2hr 16min, Matrix Reloaded is 2hr 18min & Matrix Revolutions is 2hr 9min.

That is a total of 6hr 43min total. This for one DVD is a hellava lot which is why I never attempted it in the past for fear of bad quality video.

I don't personally feel I could sacrifice the AC3 5.1 audio in favour of the AC3 2.0 as this renders my 5.1 surround system more or less redundant and I love to hear all the effects as if it were in the cinema. :)

Having said that it is still great that gamma has made these films fit onto one DVDR.

I have been thinking of buying a DVD9 burner then I might attempt to back these 3 up to one DVD. :)

gamma

08-13-2005 03:59 PM

Dialhot wrote:

Quote:

Okay now stop kidding and tell us you are posting snapshot from the source

LOL! It's REALLY the kdvd :D

Dialhot wrote:

Quote:

The only thing that does not please my tastes in what you did is that you had to use the 2.0 audio track to accomplish that

Yeah, I don't like that either. I haven't got a surround-set so I don't need the 5.1, yet. When I get a surround-set, I definitely make 1:1 backups of these movies!

Zyphon wrote:

Quote:

The matrix is 2hr 16min, Matrix Reloaded is 2hr 18min & Matrix Revolutions is 2hr 9min.

As I said, I've cut the credits!

Zyphon wrote:

Quote:

Having said that it is still great that gamma has made these films fit onto one DVDR

Thanks.

kwag	08-13-2005 04:48 PM

Hey gamma,

Those screenshots are superb :D
Can I post (link) some of them on the main page, so that some people at "the other sites" can see the truth :?: :lol:

Great work!,
-kwag

Zyphon

08-13-2005 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Hey gamma,

Those screenshots are superb :D
Can I post (link) some of them on the main page, so that some people at "the other sites" can see the truth :?: :lol:

Great work!,
-kwag

Amen to that. :D :lol:

Zyphon

08-14-2005 02:18 AM

If memory serves, is the fact that The Matrix series is a pretty dark movie that enables it to compress well?

I have always wanted to put 3 Alien movies onto one DVD. I know what you are going to say: 'There are 4 Alien movies', but lets be honest Alien 3 sucked and I am not including that one.

This post has given me the insperation to try a project with Alien 1,2 & 4.

Those movies should compress well because they are dark as it add to the atmosphere of the movies so hopefully they should compress well. :)

gamma

08-14-2005 07:15 AM

Kwag wrote

Quote:

Hey gamma,
Those screenshots are superb :D

Thanks! :D

Quote:

Can I post (link) some of them on the main page, so that some people at "the other sites" can see the truth :?: :lol:

Great work!,
-kwag

Absolutely! That would be great! :D

If you want/need any other specific screenshots, let me know!

Dialhot

08-14-2005 07:40 AM

Alien should compress a lot better. Matrix movies are dark, right, but also a lot more complex (in terms of video encoding) than Alien ones. Much more action and encoder nightmare like rain, flashes, explosions, dust...

Zyphon

08-14-2005 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot

Thanks for that info Phil, I shall give it a try then. :)

kwag	08-14-2005 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma

Absolutely! That would be great! :D

If you want/need any other specific screenshots, let me know!

Thanks gamma :)
I just posted it :!:
Some people "Can't handle the truth" :mrgreen:

-kwag

gamma

08-14-2005 04:02 PM

kwag wrote:

Quote:

Thanks gamma :)

You're welcome! :D

Quote:

I just posted it :!:

Cool! Looks very nice! 8)

Quote:

Some people "Can't handle the truth" :mrgreen:

I agree.....they need to "grow up" :)

Zyphon

08-14-2005 04:23 PM

@kwag

Hi Karl,

I just looked at the main portal to this site and those pics of gamma's encodes look awesome. :)

That should hopefully silence a few critics. :D

Nice work gamma. ;)

Prodater64

08-14-2005 04:36 PM

@kwag:

A little bit exagerated, don't think so.
Maybe one under another would be better, or imageshack pics pointing to big pictures.
Well, you are the boss.
8)

kwag	08-14-2005 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodater64

@kwag:

A little bit exagerated, don't think so.

Not at all Pro :)
You should see the comments on other sites (***help.com, etc.) related to KVCD/KDVD, where they say it's trash and S***!
Well, we just keep proving them wrong :mrgreen:

EDIT: I guess you meant the picture sizes? :oops:
I thought you were refering to the comments/post :lol:

-kwag

Prodater64

08-14-2005 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

EDIT: I guess you meant the picture sizes? :oops:
I thought you were refering to the comments/post :lol:
-kwag

Of course.

:rotf:

supermule

09-06-2005 06:02 AM

hmmm this post is really interesting and definitely proves that KDVD works.

BTW, how much time did it take to encode!!!! (if you remember by now).

PS: I tried doing it using MC MPEG encoder(cos of its speed) with KVCD notch matrices and failed miserably, have to give TMPEGEnc a go.

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