German KVCD?
 

Hey Kwag, can you Translate that german article, something about 4 hr video? the only other language I understand is Spanish and for all I know they may be saying negative things about this site... :?

Well, I just used google's translator, but the translation doesn't make too much sense :lol:
I guess we'll need a German translator to tell us what it's all about.
Here's the link again, as posted on the main page at www.kvcd.net
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/hod-18.04.03-000/

-kwag

DaViDeO version 3
 

What can I say!, I just blew ~$30+ dollars on this crap, so I might as well notify everyone of the crap that it is :!:
The encoder is extremely fast, slightly faster that real time. Where's the catch? Looks SO bad! It uses VBR and VGOP ( Variable GOP ) with sizes up to 100 8O. That's looking at the data with Bitrate Viewer.
What does it look like :?: like CRAP :!:, specially on slow/still images. It looks like a ghost is on top of the image, just like the old KVCD templates that had the GOP set to 48, but far worse :!: Here's a sample of what you would get with "DaViDeo 3": http://www.kvcd.net/davideo3-mvcd.mpg
That's what the complete movie would look like at 352x240 on one CD-R.
Not even a close match for the same movie with KVCDx3 on one CD-R :lol:
They claim ~4 hours on one CD with their "Maxi" VCD. Well, there you have it. End of story, and end of my ~$30.00 :?

Edit: Here's a KVCD_LBR (audioless) sample of the same scene: http://www.kvcd.net/kvcd-lbr-sea.mpg

-kwag

well, i´ll try to translate it:

Because of the falling prices for DVD burners, the old cd looses its meaning for making backups of films. The Software producer G Data gives the cheap cd-r another chance with his dvd-copy-program DaVideo3. It produces 1:1 copies by mouseklick. but it is new, that it can burn movies with extended length.

GData uses Maxi-Video-CD (M-VCD). Already longer users experiment with modified VCD`s. The standard resolution 352x288 is raised to DVD resolution 704x576. To lower the bitrate they use MPEG1 with vbr, which contradicts the VCD specifications as well, as the increased resolution. Such VCD´s are called XVCD or KVCD. GData wants to establish his own modification with Maxi Video CD. VCD modifications are interesting, because they can be played on stand alone dvd-players.

GData sees a good perspective for the cd-r:" we want to show, that the cd still has a lot of oportunities." Maxi Video-CD proves, that cd-r is still an attractiv medium for movies - with an unbeatable price. Besides, DaVideo3 also offers an extension to super video-cd (SVCD), the so called Maxi Super Video CD (M-SVCD).in addition to that, the program also can encode divx, xvid, mpeg 4 and vp3. DaVideo nearly rips all Video-DVD´s.
All film formats, subtitles etc can be used with DaVideo3.
It should be released in april and costs 30euro.


i hope, this helps you

as you can see, the author of this text doesn´t know anything about kvcd, he just uses the word and mixes up kvcd, xvcd and so on.

hi kwag...

I could have told you this program is crap, sorry... :cry:
A friend of mine got it himself...

Hey no problem Jellygoose :D
I just had to test it :!: If it had been good, then I would have posted a good review. But the quality is SO bad, that I had to say it :x
Even a KVCD LBR with ~4 hours of video looks far better that Maxi VCD. I do give credit to their user interface. It's really well designed, but that's about it :D

-kwag

Well, I think the program will be good (if it's as fast as you say) for people to make quick backups for long car trips etc... for their portable DVD player...

Because I don't think you could really tell a difference on a 5" screen :wink:

i don´t think you can see anything on a 5" screen :wink:

Update on patch for DaVideo3 Version 3.0.2.28

I just downloaded this patch for my version of Davideo3.
It now includes subtitle selection 8), and I don't know if it's my eyes or what, but the quality seems much better. I just encoded a 5 minute clip, and I can definitely see the improvements. I think this is now very promising, so I retract on some of my previous comments. They were targeted at the first version of DaVideo3. Not the case anymore! The quality doing standard VCDs is excelent, and SVCD is exceptional 8O
What I'm really beginning to like about this program is the awesome encoding speed. It's slightly faster that real-time on my P4 @1.6Ghz doing "Maxi VCD" and VCD. Haven't benchmarked SVCD yet.
Will keep experimenting with this :!:

-kwag

Hi,
is the patch available somewhere??
I have davideo3 and I think it's pretty good tool, but still not good enought for my expectations, that's why I wanna try the KVCD.
I would like to try the patch!!
I only thing i dont like is, that davideo doesnt read my .vobs ... and I dont have the original DVD anymor!!!

Cu

Plautzer

The patch is available for download here: http://www.gdata.de/filemanager/fileview/534/
It will ONLY update your full registered version.
The program is doing a good job, but still far from 352x240(288) KVCDs, and it's no match to KVCDx3 :wink:

-kwag

I just tried it out,
and the MVCD is very good, I never had such gut quality,
I would be awesoem if I could get a even better quality with a KVCD!!
I found out why my audio and video stream didnt worked!!! Thx
With what kind of script can get a better quality??


plautzer

have a look at the "optimal script" section
the threat is called "latest script"

davideo´s mvcd quality is nohing compared to kvcdx3 8)
believe me, i compared both

kwag is THE MAN :D :wink:
:ole:

What does kvcdx3 actually mean??
Do u use it for any movie, or just for the long ones??
When I load the .m2v in moviestacker italready loads the lengh of the movie... is that number correct?? because it show 87 min and the movie actually 107min..!!! I loaded 3-4 times like they said in the tutorial but it's always the 87 min!!!

PLautzer

kvcdx3 stands for the actual kvcd template, i was just too write 528x480 (576), max bitr: 2500, min bitr: 300 :wink:

what was your source ? dvd?

yeah,
my source was DVD!!
and here my used script:

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\TemporalCleanerOld.dll" )
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\DustV5.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\UnFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\LegalClip.dll")

Mpeg2Source("C:\boondock.d2v")
LegalClip()
BicubicResize(352,288)
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 8, 10, 10, 50)
SpaceDust()
UnFilter(50, 50)
TemporalSmoother(1, 2)
TemporalCleaner(5, 10)
MergeChroma(blur(1.58))
MergeLuma(blur(0.2))
AssumeFPS(25.000, true)
LegalClip()

For how many cds do u usually encode?? 1 or 2??

Plautzer

1 usually do 1cd, as long, as it´s not a huge film.
for my backup of lord of the rings i used 2 cd´s , of course

was your source dvd ntsc, or why did you use

?

maybe you should create a new d2v file with dvd2avi

yeah,
I have NTSC as my source,
I dont know how to create a PAL file with DVD2AVI!!
But that does make a big difference??

Plautzer

no
just tread it as ntsc in dvd2avi
create a new d2v file and try again

That's what I did!!
But I never watched that:

(1) Video Type........................ (2) Field Operation

NTSC at 5% or higher............ None (use decomb in your avs script)
FILM at 95% or lower............ None (use decomb in your avs script)
FILM only (implies 100%)..... Forced FILM
FILM at 96% or higher.......... Forced FILM

For what do I need that??

PS: If u dont mind would u show me ur script, ot might gonna work better!!


PLautzer

sorry, i don´t know what that means :oops: , but it seems to be important, so i quoted it. i live in pal-land, so it´s quite easy to create a d2v file.

my script?

but that won´t solve your d2v problem

Ja,
that's why I wanna have it in PAL, so that I can use it on German DvD-players!!!

Plauzer

nearly every dvd player supports both formats, so check if you can switch between ntsc and pal with your dvd player.
if you can, there´s no need to convert to pal

I'm in the states right now,
but I gonna leave in about month, so it's pretty hard to try it on a DvD player!!!
I can try it on the one here, it works vom feinsten here!!! :lol:

plautzer

hehe 8)

then just try a fiew dvd2avi settings, until movistacker shows the whole movie time.
or load the d2v file in tmpgenc and scroll through the movie with "source range". if you can scroll till the end of the movie, it should work

Hi PLautzer,

You should load the .D2V file in moviestacker! (I think that is what you
properly did). I remember the time I was using Moviestacker v1.1, i got
the same problem: when i loaded the d2v-file moviestacker didn't show
the correct play-lenght. My only solution for this problem was to load
a view (4-5) times till it shows the correct time. But I never got this
strange behaviour using moviestacker 2.0b...

regards, ***mfb**

Drom where do I get the 2.0b version??
I load the .avs script in TMPGenc and looked in preview, I know now that the whole movie is there but even in the preview the quality is pretty bad.

Plautzer

http://www.kvcd.net/muaddib/MStacker200(beta3)_setup.exe

Here a pic form my preview:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

Plautzer

funzt net

error 404

doesn´t work

sorry, wrong link :oops:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

Plautzer

this should be dvd-source?

perhaps, you should deinterlace
you´ll find

fielddeinterlace

in the new moviestacker

If I load the .d2v than the preview iss pretty good!!!

no this was the .avs script!!!
But the source is dvd!! An it looks fine!!

Plautzer

try it with field deinterlace

no,
deinterlace doesnt make any difference!! :(
I gotta try mor!!

Plautzer

ever tried the german kvcd guide in the german forum?

do it exactly as described and you will get an awesome result

hi,
here the quality in tok:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

here my script(XVCD):

Mpeg2Source("C:\boondock.d2v")
LegalClip()
GripCrop(704, 480, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(10, 50, 8, 10, 10, 50)
UnFilter(50, 50)
TemporalSmoother(1, 2)
MergeChroma(blur(1.58))
MergeLuma(blur(0.2))
GripBorders()
LegalClip()

plautzer

Hey plautzer,

That's not a DVD problem, you have a CODEC problem 8O
Either the MPEG2DEC.DLL or your AviSynth version :!:
Make a quick test: Open your .d2v directly with TMPEG. Go to "Source Range" and scroll around. Does it look like that? Probably not :!:
If it looks ok, load your .avs in VirtualDub and scroll around. Does it look like crap?
If it does, then the problem is related to AviSynth :!:
Report back here with your results :!:

-kwag