FFMPEG: new project called COCOC
 

Yep thats Avalon, he came to the mvcd forum also with that announcement as I saw there today as Im also Mod there.

Problem is ..... in a state of a settings-developing phase in here (and I think from here he was enlightned to do his work on that) he already give a "Name" to that procedure 8O Even there is no definitive final conclusion we came to up to now.

We the "Little stupids!!!" are taking our time to see, watch, test, streching www trafic by posting pics .... no sleep .... and now we see "who" does take our unready made knowledge to the outside with his signature ...

My conclusion: As we know from Jonny's qcce diseaster and the times before. Sorry to say that, but he takes techniques, hard outworked knowledge on testings like from here in that case of OUR testings und does his "brand" on it. And even I already shaped his "balls" at MVCD according to his "brand" on qcce he still did not learn.

:?

PS: Watch his Avatar subline: "Creator of COCOC" :arrow: I can't beleive it ... and I have no more words to say, ... sorry :!:

You're right Inc but for this case, you can be wrong.

Look at the guide : he use 1-pass Quality, with Quality set to 20 !

We never use such low quality, and more, we all know that this method leads to a VBV of 7 and there will be a LOT of problem after in muxing.

So if this guy "stole" our work, he should read a little better :-)

He probably take the idea of using ffvfw here, but the is NO chance that the method describe in his guide give a sample like the one he provides !

Sorry, maybe you're right,

but im still a bit mind-pregnant refering to his past. :wink:

Hamm-hamm,
Phil, you just "told" him to look further in our postings to find where he can reshape his method and still claim it's his work.
We should try to pm each other in this case.
Cheers

Hey guys, no rush, it's all documented here in the forum.
With time stamps and everything.
So we all know what we all did, and he's just a copycat, as usual :!:

-kwag

Kwag,
And as usual you're absolutely right :)
Never mind this guy.
Poor fellow is having nightmares with muxing by now.
Unless he's been visiting us often :wink:
C ya

I saw the same thread at Doom9 and was thinking he was using your ideas to market under his own name. I`m sure most of the people that see it will realize that it was started here first. I did!!

Yes, it's probably the guy previously known as Avalon. He used this provider before: http://www.rj-elektronik.de and I don't think another guy with the same way of acting would use the exact same provider.

Looks like he never gets tired of doing this. A while ago, he wrote a guide about my CCE guide and created some DCD-Video templates completelly based on mine with no credit, that he added only after lots of complains:( http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....r=asc&start=96 ). Then he tried to act like a nice guy, I even credited him for fixing the templates for CCE 2.67 (which he actually did).

I believe he actually got the idea here, but never got patience to read the whole thread. I remember that when he did "his" CCE guide he didn't add the prediction part because he couldn't understand what I wrote.
This is exactly how I felt that time. Then I realized that we have something he'll never have. It's called respect. People respect and trust our work.
I have a good life sample: when people discovered that some guy at MVCD had the idea of using CCE a while before me, everyone supported me. ( http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5666 ) That meant a lot to me, because everyone it would be easy to say: "that guy wrote it first, that's it, vmesquita stole from him, with no credit". But people already know that I always gave credit about everything I use from others (even the own Avalon) in the guide I was writing back them, so they knew I wouldn't do that. Nobody accused me, except from some MVCD people, which by the way even called me names, which is not a way to discuss between civilized people.

So my point is: I feel really sorry for his behavior, I thought he had learned the lesson back then. He's trying to be known and respected through a way that will never lead there. I hope someday he learns the lesson. :wink: Now back to the tests everyone! :D

Hi VMesquita,

I understand you in every line of your post! As you do also develope much things and bring it very understandable to people all over the world.

I do behave agressive according to the person avalon, maybe too agressive, but that guy was in all directions contra productive and tried to get some personality in some forums like now at MVCD too where Im also a Mod. I did say to Kwag that roc and me do keep an eye there that everything gots it clear and respectful coexisting.
As I told in qcce thread opened by Kwag, that guy avalon was taking all of you here for fools as he takes things from you Vmesquita and Jim .... there was never a question who was first until Avalon started that thread "CCE @ mvcd" biginning agitating using swearwords and so on.
So I do apologize!! Vmesquita that all the confrontating things and bad words (as you said also in your post above) in that thread where based only on one agitating behaviour of one person who wanted to catch personality.

Sorry but that guy really is banned out of my very very big pool of my tolerance. :wink:

Avalon is a strange guy.
There is a sort of black and white in him.
There are no doubts that he try to make everything to bring traffic and credits to his site.
But it's anyway true that he gives a lot of feedback (see the ReJig thread for example).

Take a look at his message here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...0&pagenumber=5
And at his new thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70056
:roll: (he is surely a bit crazy ^^)

IMHO the best choice is to not care too much about him, he doesn't anyway get a lot of attention with his tricks.

OT:
Hi Inc.!
I'm near to release the next qcce version.
The new prediction engine is based half on long-(^really^)short prediction and half on the Tylo's plugin, from doom9 (both methods are implemented in a really funny/strange modified way).
I've got this idea talking with you about the ping-pong (you are already in the credits ^^), but i'd like to add some words too about who invented the long-short...
Who was the first to came out with the method? the TOK auth?

Hi Jonny! :D

Nice to see you are still developing your qcce! Well Really I don't know who was first but I think if you want give these inventors a credit just name both of them cause I don't know how that roba method exactly works, as I never used DVD2SVCD till now. And by this there won't be any problem :)

BTW, could you add an option in qcce so a GOP framecount of 15 can be also used instead of 12. Did you set in your ini restrict I frame insertion? Maybe that also could be a nice option :wink:

GOP of 15 is already in the options (qcce v1.02), maybe you are using an older version?

About "restrict I frame insertion", i use it only during size prediction... do you think could be useful for the full encode too? (i've read that activating it should reduce final quality)

About the roba method... from what i have understood, it only refers to some concepts that are behind using 1-pass-vbr instead of multipass.

What is nice in the Tylo's plugin is the "Newton-Raphson search for Q".
It basically defines a way to choose the next quant (given that you have already done 2 size predictions).
It's good because (given some conditions) you fast reach the best Q (so the target of the method is reduce the number of passes in order to reach the best Q).

It was ARnet_tenRA's suggestion, quite some time ago ;)

-kwag

Thanks kwag!

@ kwag..

Are you refering to:

* Faster prediction method

There were many other related topics, but what interested me most while
at work, were all those dicussions on "prediction" and those related to in
some way or another :P
.
.
And, as kwag said, everything is documented here w/ dates and even
times!!

FWIW.. .. ..
I used to read every post that came from you all while at work.. like those
from sangrips; maudid; jellygoose; rendalunit; GFR; ARnet_tenRA; and many
more, plus all the robots (I mean) beta-testers out there. It was fun, seeing
you guys BOLD names pop up w/ new ideas and testings and things :P At times,
I couldn't keep up (while working - someones' gotta pay the bills, you know)

Anyways..
-vhelp

Yes. Exactly :)

-kwag

Oki, now i have the full ref. :D
The method is quite good, actually i'm using 0.1% for the short!
But there is a problem, at least with CCE, long_prediction_size/short_prediction_size is no more costant, when you are near to saturation (so when you reach max bitrate).
That's why i change method (Newton) in the second stage of the prediction.

Avalon may have "stolen" the first ffvw settings...
but he only uses these "stolen" ideas to develop his own

He made Templates:
http://rj-elektronik.de/avideo/main.php

He did lots of testing and changed the settings:
http://www.rj-elektronik.de/avideo/m...c%20of%20FFVFW

I can't resist, take a look here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71131

LOL

This is pathetic... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
He keeps coming back here... :D

I don't know what he wants to obtain by checking TmpgEnc or CCE??? As that should be a command-line GUI (one day). :?

Or did I miss something??

Image: http://rj-elektronik.de/avideo/images/AVAENC/avaenc.png

Hi guys,
I decided to forget about this guy because he's just a "kid" in a man's body.
For me it's almost like he doesn't even exist at all beacuse I can't see him anywhere anymore: he is insignificant.
He is in fact completely disregardable.
So let the guy alone and let's try not to post about him because that's exactly what this kid
wants: attention to himself as any other kid :)
Though we should feel flatered by his visits as any other guest in here :)
Cheers

ok.. I think you are a lil bit hard on him now :cry:

He does his own development, he codes his own GUI...

The only thing he got from here was the idea to use mencoder (and ffvfw)... which is nothing kvcd specific!

And his GUI looks kinda promising...

I started using mencoder as (afaik) the first one (or at least one of the first ones) in this forum (http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6822)
and as you all seem to like mencoder, why shouldn't he also get the right to do his own mencoder development? It isn't as if he stole sth. ?!

Yeah. And he has the right too to have stopped developping it's ffvfw wrapper exactly when people here droped it too.

According to you, when his memcoder interface will work ? Or if you want to ask it an other way : do you thing it will ever work if guys here drop memcoder for an other encoder in the next two weeks ?

I'll already said that there is no way the samples he provides for ffvfw were done with the settings he claims to use (Just try them and you see, the quality is set to 20 !!!). That was _exactly_ the same when he did KVCD samples a long time ago. I proclamed to make really perfect samples but asked questions a newbie won't ask . And the settings used for the samples according to him never lead to such quality, I can swear on it.

You consider it does work, I consider he just provides samples done with OUR settings and deliver a false template arround that to make stop people telling he stole ideas.

rds is true : STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS GUY !

The more you talk about him the more people goes on his page and take a look to it's """work""" (sorry, I'll continue to put quote on that).

There is no bad advertisement, just advertisement !

Actually I just snooped a lil bit into ffvfw and kept encoding with mencoder on linux... as he kept asking me ffvw stuff on ICQ, I told him to stop as I didn't know much about it myself because I use mencoder.

(having the "knowledge" of creating templates he asked lots of easy questions... thats maybe a lil bit strange...)

Ok... his samples *g*
Most of them are aimed on 1400 MB Video (just do some calculation *g*) ... so I don't like them that much either...

It isn't very hard to do a GUI in Delphi... simply adding stuff together... This is what I did all the time in 120 Minutes during Information Technologie Class in school :D

There aren't much more encoders to try...

This is what this thread exists for --> ?close it?
But you are right...
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif


h3h3... it's hard but true :D

Hey not only addressing to Razor or Phil: If I were a Mod here, I would definitly close the thread.
But then, that would be just if I were Mod...
Explanation: we gather here in the forum to "discuss" things that can help us. OK we do plenty of that already.
Then we have the right to feel humiliated when some character like this guy comes around and do his "thing".
But from my point of view everything has got to have an end, sometime.
So I not now? From me this was the last post here.
Going to another thread :arrow: right now.
C ya

I helped him a little with his gui...
It works quite fine :D

@Razorblade2000,

Read a little on the history of avalon, here and at doom9. Then you'll get a clear picture of who you are dealing with ;)

-kwag

a.k.a Amnon82 in Doom9, he has a Mencoder GUI right now:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...184#post457184


Bilu

since a long time :D
But his "Final" is somhow usefull... :D

I still don't understand why doom9 hasn't booted him :roll:

-kwag

I'm starting to understand you guys :)

I explain...
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...216#post457216

Then he offers ...
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...329#post458329

Then he copies.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72678


Bilu

I would put it like this:

(1) He reads what others do.
(2) Then he copies from others. Copies, and copies again.
(3) Then he offers, as if it were his :!:

-kwag

@ all!
he isn't the only one there!
before i read here, i send a pm to Kwag talking about seamless situations!
in this moment Kwag is out(log out)and don't read my pm!!!

if Kwag want, he can show what i pm to him.
isn't secret or something like this, is only my poor english to write here, ok?

but is a big coincidence the subject that i pm to Kwag :!:
8O
it's incredible!

@incredible:
is not you my friend, the incredible that i wrote.
is not so incredible like you!
you're the real incredible !
:wink: :lol:

regards to all!
:wink:

Jorel, .... could you discover that secred your'e refering to? :arrow: :?:

I think Jorel PM'ed Kwag because he's afraid to show us his english ;)

We can wait for Kwag or Jorel could post portuguese and we'd translate it :)

A gente pode traduzir se quiseres, Jorel :)


Bilu

Bilu, vmesquita, jorel, rds_correia,
o meu apelido e Duarte. A familia do meu pai e de Portugal (perto do Porto). O meu portugues nao e muito bom, porque eu falo melhor do que escrevo. Mais se o Jorel escreve o PM, eu acho que tamben comprendia... :wink:
Y si lo escribe en español (que seguro que algo también sabrá),... pues también lo entenderíamos.

Ora temos mais um aportuguesado! :D

Bilu

Talvez eu também devo começar falar em portugues.

:lol:
Inc.