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Boulder 09-07-2004 02:13 AM

[OT]
For Battlestar Galactica, see this : http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page...2&title=130876
[/OT]

kwag 09-07-2004 02:31 AM

Ahhh, love that :D
Was my favorite in the early days :lol:

-kwag

Zyphon 09-08-2004 01:29 PM

All I can say is OMG! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Thank you so very much SansGrip and for Robot1 in this new version of RB-Opt.

I came home today and burned the backup of one of the Battlestar Galactica DVD's I was rebuilding last night and the quality is awesome!!! :D

The prediction was spot on also filling up my DVD+R 4.7GB to the brim.

Well done on such a great tool and a big thank you to the guys who made DVD-RB.

BTW out of interest is it worth updating to the latest DVD_RB or is version 0.56 better off to stick with?

no more DVDShrink for me. :D :lol:

Zyphon 09-08-2004 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boulder
[OT]
For Battlestar Galactica, see this : http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page...2&title=130876
[/OT]

OMG! I was robbed BSG is half the price I paid on this site. :angryfire: :lol:

This is a good site Boulder thanks for pointing it out for us I think I may buy some DVD's from this site now. :)

rds_correia 09-08-2004 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boulder
[OT]
For Battlestar Galactica, see this : http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page...2&title=130876
[/OT]

Hya Boulder :D
Thanks for the tip.
I'm gonna solve this tomorrow morning, and they better check their stock today :)
Cheers pal

Boulder 09-09-2004 01:38 AM

Just check if you have to pay the customs and/or VAT since the company is located at the Jersey islands. I'm able to buy 45 euros worth of stuff at a time as at a VAT rate 22% (varies from country to country) , it would make 9.90e in taxes and the customs make you pay if it goes over 10e.

rds_correia 09-09-2004 03:33 AM

Hmm :roll:
Thanks.
I'll check that too.
But the price is great :)
Thanks again.
Cheers

Zyphon 09-09-2004 09:09 AM

Hi Guys,

Just to let you know I backed up another movie using DVD-RB and the new RB-Opt.

The movie was Star Trek: The Motion Picture, The Director's Edition. (crap movies as far as Trek goes but im a huge Trekkie and have all the movies. :P)

The movie was 131 minutes long and I kept all of the English Audio tracks in including the director's commentary.

Filesize was just over 4Gb (4,192.4 MB to be exact) and I burned the Audio & Video TS Folders using ImgTool Burn.

The quality is amazing when compared to the original im very impressed with this software.

I shall make a donation to the DVD-RB boys when funds permit as I think they deserve it for making such an excellent freeware tool to back up DVD's.

I shall try and post some screenshots of the original and the backed up version.

Question: Can I grab a screenshot from WinDVD?

Keep up the good work SansGrip along with Robot1 you have done yourself proud. :D

kev23m 09-10-2004 08:05 AM

Ok tried this but get stuck at the Prediction.

What i have done so far , backed up the vob's using Dvd Shrink and got rid of the etc's.

The avs script generated does not play at all.

One more thing is the Dvd is 29.97 interlaced , how could i get it back to 23.976 and encode with pulldown.

Read that i have to join the vob's , that part has me lost.

Dialhot 09-10-2004 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kev23m
The avs script generated does not play at all.

Post it here and tell us what is the error when you try to open it in a media player or in virtualdub.

Quote:

One more thing is the Dvd is 29.97 interlaced , how could i get it back to 23.976 and encode with pulldown.
The tool should handle this automatically, or perhaps you have to select "deinterlace with decomb" in the options.

Quote:

Read that i have to join the vob's , that part has me lost.
You have to join the vob ID that correspond to the movie. This is done in RB-OPT. You have a button "join id".

kev23m 09-10-2004 04:03 PM

Here is the avs file

Code:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb510.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\RBWORKDIR\D2VAVS\V01.D2V",idct=7)
trim(0,-54500)
FieldDeinterlace(blend=false)
Undot()
Deen()

Error : Cant open Mpeg2Source

kev23m 09-10-2004 04:09 PM

Alrite got the prob, if i use mpeg2dec3.dll it works .

Switching dll's and moving ahead.

kev23m 09-11-2004 01:51 AM

I did a test and getting Q factor at 35 for a 3h38m film.

Got this to work , left for encoding , will post the results later.

audioslave 09-12-2004 03:17 PM

Hi guys!
What are your setting for the OPV prediction with RB-Opt 0.13?
What min. and max. bitrate do you use for an ordinary DVD-9 to DVD-5 encoding?

Dialhot 09-13-2004 03:44 AM

I generally use 64-4500 for all my KDVD (using KVCD-Noth matrix anytime, even if that is not what anyone does)

Zyphon 09-13-2004 05:30 AM

I was using 0-5000 for my KDVD's. :D I might give Phil's settings a go and see what the results are.

@Phil and all

With the other settings is it o.k to leave as default.

Im not talking about the CCE Settings for each VOB I know you have to set DC Precision to 8 & Gop Length to 15 and select Custom matrix for the KVCD notch matrix.

On the main screen where the autosized is ticked underneath there is a slider bar that says reduction mine is at the default 54.29 should it be left there?

For the OPV Prediction my settings are:

Sample Size: 1%

Safety Margain: 2%

GOPs per range: 3

Double Pass: Unticked.

Are these settings o.k?

Dialhot 09-13-2004 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
On the main screen where the autosized is ticked underneath there is a slider bar that says reduction mine is at the default 54.29 should it be left there?

This is the percentage of reduction that depend on your source length ! 54.29 is the percentage calculated for your actual source to fit it into 4.37 GB. If you change it to 50% for instance, you will have spare room on the DVD at the end. But do not increase it above 54.29 else your target won't fit on a DVD.

Quote:

Are these settings o.k?
I never changed them.

Zyphon 09-13-2004 11:59 AM

Thanks for clearing that up for me Phil.

I shall leave these settings as they are then. :)

Zyphon 09-13-2004 01:17 PM

Hi all,

Im finally on DVD 7 of my BSG box set and im trying to back up this last DVD which is the DVD with all the extras in it.

There are three VTS's each some with several VOB-ID's

What I wanted to know is for example is: When you are on the first menu on the extras DVD you are presented with 3 small 5 minute documentaries each have their own link button.

These are: VTS 1 - Vob-ID 1, VTS 2 - Vob-ID 2 and VTS 2- Vob-ID 3

Now I kept these seperate and did not link them seeing as they had their own buttons.

VTS 3 had 8 Vob-ID's as these were the 8 links to the deleted scenes form various episodes. Again I didn't merge these Vobs as each Vob-ID has it's own button link in the DVD Menu.

What im asking is, did I do the correct thing above. The reason I ask is that Phil told me above that merging these could mess up the chaptering and I don't want to do that.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :)

kev23m 09-13-2004 02:09 PM

Correct me if i am wrong,

Dvd RB prepares sources and saves d2v as forced film.

I have selected Decomb as souce is interlaced so it Deinterlaces & encodes with pulldown.

With Dvdrb it's predicting Q factor 37 with bitrate 0-4500.

I tried the same manually with deinterlace script and pulldown and i am getting Q factor at 26 at bitrate 300-5000.

Have used File size at 3750 , ac3 is 530mb.

Length of the movie is 2h45m


P.S - @Dialhot , check DvdlabPro , Beta Version available for demo.It allows to add subtitles , accepts srt files and 2 audio channels.

bigggt 09-16-2004 08:52 PM

Is there anyway anyone could write a step by step "guide" on how to get this working for a KDVD,i am reading the .txt file right now but i get lost to easy :D

Also when you select the avs you get this

Code:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("C:\DVD REBUILDER\D2VAVS\V03.D2V")
trim(0,-111232)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())

What would i change (i assuming undot and Deen should be in here until you guys figure out the removedirt and removegrain stuff) but i don't know where to put it

A simple step by step instructions would be great for some of us just to get it going

thanx

Dialhot 09-17-2004 03:23 AM

You asked it in this same thread the 31 of july and Sansgrip already answered to you there :
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....r=asc&start=64

:-)

The filters for the script has to be added in the options of DVD-RB, not directly in the AVS : Option -> Avs option -> Advanced Option -> Filter Editor.
Just put "Undot().Deen()" or "RemoveGrain().Removedirt()".

bigggt 09-17-2004 12:37 PM

Thanx Phil i know i asked but this new version is different thats why i asked :D

ALso where do i put that line in the script
Just put "Undot().Deen()" or "RemoveGrain().Removedirt()".

thanx

bigggt 09-17-2004 05:30 PM

OK these are the two things that i need help with

first i need help with the post above and need to know where to put the undot line in the above script

Second - i know how to link the vob's but let say you have the main movie and then a few other things are you supposed to do the (kvcd notch matrix and the avs script on all of them or just the movie

thanx

Dialhot 09-20-2004 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigggt
ALso where do i put that line in the script
Just put "Undot().Deen()" or "RemoveGrain().Removedirt()".

You have to set that in the options of DVD-Rebuild ! I told you all the procedure just above :roll:


For your second question the answer is so simple : you need to do that anywhere you want the matrix to be used ! Why doing it only on movie ?

bigggt 09-20-2004 05:52 PM

I already figured it out but

Quote:

You have to set that in the options of DVD-Rebuild ! I told you all the procedure just above

Phil i was confused becsaue in dvdrebuilder(like you said)you have to set in options which i did but you can select which line # you want it to go.I did that but i didn't know until i tried that it actually puts it in the correct place

edit:I think where the confusion for me is comming from is i am talking about the avs options in RB-OPT and not dvd rebuilder



ANyway like i said i got it all figured out and it worked great :D

J-Wo 09-21-2004 02:03 PM

okay guys, I'm a complete newbie when it comes to DVD-RB, and am trying to get myself prepared to give it a try! Just downloaded Sansgrips RB-Optv 0.13, which from what I gather will give me more control of my .avs files like I'm so used to now with CCE alone. Once I get the chance I'll go through all 13 pages of this thread!

Just two questions tho. Has anyone tried RB-Optv with DVD-RB 0.61, just released on Sept 20? The readme says it supposed 0.4x to 0.5x... Secondly, is it possible to rip the movie in DVD Shrink instead of DVD Decryptor, so I can deselect the audio and subtitle streams I don't want? I would of course be doing this in Full Movie mode to preserve menus, instead of Reathor mode.

Thanks!

rhino 09-21-2004 03:47 PM

Hey J-Wo,

there is a new version of RB-Opt available (0.15 beta). Also, I would rip the full disc to your drive and let DVD-RB remove the unwanted audio/sub titles, etc. That way DVD-RB knows exactly what is happening,

cheers,

Dialhot 09-22-2004 03:34 AM

Despite Rhino advice, you should use DVDShrink to perform that.

DVDShrink is a stable application where DVD-RB has several bugs leading to a new version coming out each couple of days ! (I DLed the 0.60 Monday, the 0.60x yesterday and now there is a 0.61 ???)

DVD-RB doesn't have any problem to handle DVD outputed by DVDShrink.

J-Wo 09-22-2004 08:51 AM

Good to know Dialhot. I scoured the Doom9 forum but surprisingly no one else asked it! And I only got one reply, similar to rhino's. In other words they said no but no one was absolutely sure on that!

So I jsut gave DVD-RB and RB-Opt a whirl last night and am quite impressed by how simple and FAST it was to use! Just wondering, where are you guys adding your AVS lines? In DVD-RB under Options -> AVS -> Filter Editor or manually for each VOB in RB-Opt?

Also it is ok to add resizing filters right? I mean just a simple crop line, filtering, and then addborders. I'm changing the res to 704x480.

Finally has anyone had problems with certain filters and DVD-RB? I thought I read somewhere about how it didn't like removegrain or removedirt... Just want to make sure. Thanks!

Dialhot 09-22-2004 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Wo
In DVD-RB under Options -> AVS -> Filter Editor or manually for each VOB in RB-Opt?

Oh ! I understand know the question of bigggt :-(
I told I put taht in DVD-RB directly but I used the pre-betas release that sansgrip did on RB-OPT 0.11. According to what you are saying J-Wo, I guess that with now official 0.13(or 0.15), you have to put in into RB-OPT for each vobs. I appology.

Quote:

Also it is ok to add resizing filters right? I mean just a simple crop line, filtering, and then addborders. I'm changing the res to 704x480.
I suggest you to let the size as it is but add a "Letterbox(16,16,16,16)" after all the filters.

Quote:

Finally has anyone had problems with certain filters and DVD-RB? I thought I read somewhere about how it didn't like removegrain or removedirt... Just want to make sure. Thanks!
RemoveDirt is a problem by itself ;-). See my threads concerning it into the "avisynth" section of the forum.
(and more : it gives memory problem to CCE if you put some parameters between the parenthesis).

J-Wo 09-22-2004 11:27 AM

Dialhot:
Quote:

Oh ! I understand know the question of bigggt Sad
I told I put taht in DVD-RB directly but I used the pre-betas release that sansgrip did on RB-OPT 0.11. According to what you are saying J-Wo, I guess that with now official 0.13(or 0.15), you have to put in into RB-OPT for each vobs. I appology.
Okay I've been learning both programs after only a day now (I feel so smart ;)) and I have no problems adding my avs filters directly into DVD-RB thru the Filter Editor menu. It simply adds the lines to every avs file it makes. Then when I open things up in RB-Opt, I can test to see how those lines look in the preview and change them as needed. I just wish RB-Opt had a regular text editor for handling scripts, rather than that stupid line by line thing!

Quote:

I suggest you to let the size as it is but add a "Letterbox(16,16,16,16)" after all the filters.
I was actually able to get away with what I wanted to achieve no problem! In the filter editor I added the following lines
Code:

crop(24,20,-24,-20)
fielddeinterlace(full=false,blend=false,threshold=5,map=false)
removegrain(mode=2)
asharp(1,4)
temporalSoften(2,4,6,6,2)
addborders(16,20,16,20)

and DVD-RB had no problems processing it. Final encoded movies were in 704x480 and it rebuilt it perfectly!

NOW all I have to decide is whether I prefer the CCE Standard matrix at the suggested settings of 0-7200 kbps, or use notch matrix at 64-4500 kbps. I've been using notch for ever now but several people are reporting Standard is better now that we are in DVD land and have 4.5gb space to deal with!

Ohhh the choices... comments, suggestions, anyone?

Dialhot 09-22-2004 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Wo
Ohhh the choices... comments, suggestions, anyone?

My own eyes can't stand anymore the original Matrix, whatever the bitrate.

kwag 09-24-2004 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Wo
I've been using notch for ever now but several people are reporting Standard is better now that we are in DVD land and have 4.5gb space to deal with!

Ohhh the choices... comments, suggestions, anyone?

The choice is very simple :)
With "Notch" matrix, you get close to 20% more compression/space savings, with NO visual difference in quality in average and high bitrates, and BETTER quality on dark/gray low lit scenes, compared to standard MPEG matrixes.
It's your choice ;)

-kwag

J-Wo 09-25-2004 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SansGrip
The other weakness is that one can't perform any kind of field structure correction, be it IVTC or otherwise.

My plan is to create a tool that will be run instead of (or in addition to) "phase 2" of the DVD-RB process, which is encoding. It will make it possible for DVD-RB to work with IVTC'd material, for example, and will implement a more accurate quality-based encode than the one that's built in. It could even provide support for TMPGEnc -- right now DVD-RB only supports CCE, Rejig and QuEnc.

Sansgrip, what ever happened to this idea? It's great that you've helped develop the OPV portion of RB-Opt but I really wanted to look into incorporating IVTC into DVD-RB.

I've just started using this program, and at first I was very confused on how to deal with my telecined material. I've since learned to not add any fielddeinterlace or other such lines, and to just leave the combed frames in because DVD-RB reconstructs the original DVD flags, blah blah blah (I don't understand half of what I'm saying actually!). I guess that went against all I'd learned in this forum, which was to use Decomb or other such filters on telecined material to bring it back to 23.976 fps, thus saving space and inreasing quality.

But it's my understanding this is not possible with DVD-RB. And doing any sort of deinterlacing is useless.... Is this all correct?

Jellygoose 09-27-2004 12:32 PM

hi all...

tried RB-Opt today, and can't get it to work... whenever I click on predict I get an error message from CCE (2.67 SP) "Invalid File Name" and after that "Cannot Open ECL File"...

Where does RB-Opt/Rebuilder ask for the path for ECLCCE? :roll:

Dialhot 09-27-2004 12:55 PM

Be carreful to correctly choose CCE SP in the menu and not CCE Basic. And give the path for eclcee in the place where it asks the path co ccesp.exe

J-Wo 09-27-2004 02:24 PM

jelly: in rb-opt it's under GLobal Options. In DVD-RB it's under Options --> Setup. In both cases you want to point to EclCCE.exe. Since you are using 2.67 SP, make sure you put the path in the correct line: for you that is CCE SP (New)

Jellygoose 09-28-2004 06:38 AM

Ok, i can't find that under settings in DVD-RB... It asks me for the path of CCE SP (new). I have version SP 2.67 so that would be the option for me.

Are you telling me i need to point it to ECLCCE.exe and not to CCESPT.exe?

Because DVDRebuilder does not ask for the path of ECLCCE but for my CCE path... :roll:

Other than that, I got 2 questions.

#1: Why doesn't QuEnc support the Notch Matrix anymore, but replaced it with some own Low Bitrate Matrix??
#2: Can I use FreeEnc with DVDRebuilder instead of QuEnc?

edit: Here's my new error message phil... this time I am 100% postive that I checked CCE SP (new) in DVD-RB... However when I start prediciton in RB-Opt, it says "C:\myPath\VTS_02_VOBID_01.ecl is not an ECL for CCE SP"

Dialhot 09-28-2004 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellygoose
Are you telling me i need to point it to ECLCCE.exe and not to CCESPT.exe?

It seems that is exactly what I told there : "give the path for eclcee in the place where it asks the path to ccesp.exe" :-D

But you have also to select "CCE SP" in the options (under CCE Options).

Quote:

#1: Why doesn't QuEnc support the Notch Matrix anymore, but replaced it with some own Low Bitrate Matrix??
Because Doom9 rules the world and everything besides is prohibited. Didn't you know that ?

Quote:

#2: Can I use FreeEnc with DVDRebuilder instead of QuEnc?
I think so.


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