inc,
how does it behave the Q graphics in bitrateviewer when lmin set at 0.1?. I ask because some tests I did some time ago, with vqmin=2, when lmin=0.5 the Q graphic was almost flat and stuck at 2.
With vqmin=1 and lmin=0.1 I'm afraid you'll get this almost flat Q graphic (almost like vqscale=1)... not good at all (doesn't adapt to the film).
But, yes, I know, you just tested it to see how could you raise average bitrate, isn't it?. I just make the commentary in case people want to test lmin<vqmin, I advise not to make lmin too below vqmin.

Well the Q curve behaves very dynamically and its nice. This doesnt speak for the "theoretical" quality (as I figured out in bitrateviewer the q curve is NOT analog to the given quality!!) .... but the q curve is nice and NOT flat ;-)

Maybe thats cause of the other params which are used in the config files.

Audio band
 

Can I extract the AC3 audio band in the same action, with DVDDecrypter, or I need another application (DVD2AVI)?

Thanks.

-Maurus

@maurus,

You can use DVDDecrypter to extract audio. :wink:

When we make a change in audio bitrate, the video bitrate grayed under audio bitrate selection box, don't change at first time. Only selecting twice the audio bitrate desired, the video bitrate change. Does MencodeMe take the correct value at first time (even I would see the erroneus one)?


MencodeMe hang up before ending 1st. pass encode!!!
I test 2 differents avi sources, with DVD2KVCD template (to obtain a mpeg1 file).

Could an avs file be played or mapped to a video device in such a form that MencodeMe (Mencoder/FFmpeg) grabs video with the following command line:

-vd device'

Would it be usefull or not?

I Know how extract .VOB with de video and audio, but ...

How can I extract the .ac3 file?

Another question. I have try MEncoder-Me .02 last night and I see hang up it this morning.

-Maurus

Confirmed, here the same. One possible reason is that now the messages from the DOS box are displayed within the GUI. Running the same comand line in DOS box shows multiple warnings as this:
Obviously the GUI cannot handle these warnings and hangs. Interestingly if you encode with default matrix (not Notch) the warnings doesn't appear.
In my opinion the mpeg1 encoding in mencoder is broken somehow. Through makeavis it produces unwatchable video - there are blocks in the picture which even do not belong to the video at all - totally diferent texture.

Nice inc, that's good :) . I was afraid of a flat Q curve for my tests, but there I had vqmin=2 and average quantizer was 2 -> flat Q curve.
If your average Q is over 1 (you're right, maybe due to the rest of settings...), then your Q curve behaves normally.

Result of a whole encoding where lmin was set to 0.1!

I did choose 2pass on 704x576 (even on makeavis incl. temporal filtering via avs = 35 fps :) ).

Shurely the avg bitrate was matched EXACTLY .... the max Bitrate was respected!!! (I did lower it to 7000) When prviewed in VdubMod = A more than wonderful picture at 2250kbit avg! avg Quant = 1.73!! (just theoretically, you know my opinion about BVs Q rate output according to REAL quality which can be seen finally when previewing).
The Bitrate Lows did reach sometimes 120kbit .... thats a bit low.

NOW! lets see how DVDlab likes that one as in the past I got often "GOP out of memory" issues when generating the VOBs!!
In the Mediachance forum they said "closed GOPs" would cure that.

BUT .. I do not see in mencoders options WHERE and how to set a Closed GOP! :?

@maurus and Abond
I have no idea why this is hanging, because the GUI just display messages. I'll make a test today. One possibility is that mencoder is issuing so many messages that it is overflowing the textbox, but it would need to issue 64 kb of messages. 8O
I'll change the instructions to include ripping audio using DVDDecrypter, since this step is needed for everyone.

@incredible
There's a new DVD-Lab pro beta out. You shouldn't need closed GOPs. From what I understand, the only reason to use closed GOP is to make cutting the MPEG easier, but it reduces compressibility... :roll:

I do refer to exactly that new version of DVDlab :!: :D
(Cause of up to 8 Audio tracks support! per VTS)

YEP, normally the purpose of Closed GOPS is for editing making easyer, but the compressibility wont make it that less.

But anyway I did read in the Forum of DVDlab that a closed GOP solved that problem in DVDlab ... maybe still an issue of that beta? who knows.
A reencoding using CCE and Closed GOP solved my problem :?
(I didn't try CCE and still open GOP - thats would be the way how to see if the problem really bases on DVDlab or not.)

@incredible
There's DVD-Lab Pro Beta 2 out, I am not sure if you got this one. :wink: :D

Ill check that! :D
I hope Its not the release I already got.
Cause beside this I would "love" to also be updated to reset to new 30days period! :lol:

Come on VM, we are three guys in same page with hanging problems. Could you give us further help?
What information do you need?

@inc: would you mind posting your settings you used with mencoder to obtain those beautiful results? :roll:
I'd like to test them against some settings of mine. because i can't get mencoder to respect the max. bitrate... :twisted:
please post your .ini and.bat file to check...

also what build are you using? :roll:

Im just using Vmesquitas GUI and I just did set lmin=1 to lmin=0.1 in the config file, ... thats all .... that allows even less quantisation (as I did understand) ... and "breaks" the AVG 2000kbit border so you can assume how my output comes out :lol: even at that 2000-2500 avg bitrates. Beautiful for encodigs which will perfect fit 2 Movies on one DVD-R incl. 2 Audiotracks (5.1 CH ,256kbit) for each movie.

Hi Inc,

This confused me as there are 3 PAL's and Only 1 NTSC.

Should be:

15 = NTSC KDVD
18 = PAL KDVD

&

24 = NTSC KVCD
25 = PAL KVCD

I hope you can clear this up for me please buddy. :)

Thanks in advance.

You're Right!! I did type wrong

15 = PAL KDVD ------> 100% DVD compilant
18 = NTSC KDVD ----> 100% DVD compilant

24 = NTSC KVCD ----> official KVCD setting, means OneCD encoding purpose
25 = PAL KVCD ------> official KVCD setting, means OneCD encoding purpose

Thats how it should be :)

You also can try to go higher even on KDVD IF your DVD player in DVD mode supports it .... so you should first try on a DVD-RW :wink:

Thank you very much inc for such a quick reply I appreciate you clearing that up for me and thanks for the tip I have a DVD-RW handy ill do some testing. :)

Thanks again. :D

a) You're welcome :)
b) also do check if your Standalone DVD Player also supports DVD-RW playback!

It does ;) I like to sometimes use d DVD-RW to make sure my DVD-Lab compilations work o.k. :)

Ok, good news: I tested and I was able to reproduce the problem with mpeg1. Mencode-ME hung at 26%. Now let's see if I can track why. :D

Edit: I also noticed that with MPEG1 the average bitrate is not followed... Wierd. :?

@vm,

Black Prince wrote:
I have been having mixed success and now realize MEncoder
is a very complex encoder. I have changed my script to reflect
the parm settings for a mpeg-1 KVCD (352X240) and the results
are very bad (i.e. picture quality blocky, gibbs effects, etc.)
I'm using a batch file now and here's my script:

KVCD.bat
@ECHO on
::
::
set xx_path=f:\temp
set in_avi=kvcd.avi
set out_m1v=kvcd.m1v
::
::
mencoder -include MC.ini -lavcopts keyint=24 %xx_path%\%in_avi% -o %xx_path%\%out_m1v%
pause

MC.INI
of=rawvideo=1
ovc=lavc=1
nosound=1
noskip=1
sws=2
vf=yuvcsp,crop=720:480,scale=352:240:0:0:60,unshar p=l3x3:0.6,hqdn3d=3:6:8,unsharp=l3x3:-0.7:c3x3:-1.5,noise=2uh,expand=352:240:-1:-1:1
lavcopts=vcodec=mpeg1video:vrc_buf_size=327:preme= 2:precmp=2:vrc_maxrate=2000:vbitrate=781:autoaspec t=1:keyint=24:vstrict=-1:scplx_mask=0.3:vqblur=0:mbqmin=1:vqmin=1:mbqmin= 1:lmin=1:intra_matrix=8,9,12,22,26,27,29,34,9,10,1 4,26,27,29,34,37,12,14,18,27,29,34,37,38,22,26,27, 31,36,37,38,40,26,27,29,36,39,38,40,48,27,29,34,37 ,38,40,48,58,29,34,37,38,40,48,58,69,34,37,38,40,4 8,58,69,79:inter_matrix=16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,18 ,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,22,2 4,26,30,32,32,34,36,24,26,28,32,34,34,36,38,26,28, 30,32,34,36,38,40,28,30,32,34,36,38,42,42,30,32,34 ,36,38,40,42,44
ofps=23.976
fps=23.976

I don't understand the filter settings and many other settings in mc.ini
file. If anyone can spot some changes to create a better mpeg-1
video quality please feel free to comment.

Lastly, it would be helpful to have a sticky for optimal scripts just as
KVCD forum has for mpeg-1 and mpeg-2 encodes. This started out
as a newbie GUI post and has now become a GUI for experts :lol:

-BP

@BP
Looks like I missed your last post. Let's see:
Try the new 0.21, this should be fixed now.
Good point... The problem is that mencoder keeps rewritting a progress line while encoding. If I rewrite this line all the time, encoding would slow down, and if I just keep writting this line without erasing, logfile would be huge... I am not sure what is worse.

You must use the MakeAVIS filter combo when using Avisynth, otherwise MEncodeMe will do its own calculations and resize.
The idea of the GUi is exactly provide optimal settings "in a box", and let everyone share templates like they share scripts. If it's better to use mencoder directly with batch scripts... Well, maybe this GUI was not a good idea. :roll:
Yes, maybe there's no reason for this GUI to exist anymore.... :(

@All
MEncodeME 0.21 is out, read the Changelog.

EDIT: Latest mencoder build added

Thanks for your work in MEncoder-Me 0.21.

Another and easy question :D

I can use the BIG VOB with classical method DVD2AVI+script Avisynth+TMPGEnc? Or I need splitting VOB files?

Thanks

-Maurus

there is a need for this gui, there will alway be a need for this gui and all the other guis you make in future.

you are a legend

VMesquita, ...

I just had a look into the folder of your newest MencoderME.

:D Thats a very good concept using filters and encoding lines separately, congrats!

Im at work now so I did let run MencoderME.exe on a "VirtualPC/Win2000" system on my MAC, means just to see your new layout of the interface. Very good!

I also did have a look into the target templates:


And ...

Is there a another difference then the final MB value above, as I dont see another diff.?

Cause if encoding one movie to one DVD-R (for mega out of hell quality freaks) by using lmin=1 in my tests I could only get to 2000kbit avg maximal .. no matter if 2pass or 1pass.

Even I did set lmin=0.1 the max. possible avg was reached at approx. 3500kbit.

Also a fixed Keyintervall of 15 is used ... for PAL perfect, but for NTSC ...

BUT.... as I dont want to keep you working working working alone, I will do some tests this evening tweaking the DVD-Target Templates (I do not have experiences on doing KVCD or KSVCD using mencoder) and do PN you the ones ... then you can have a look into it and if you like it you can integrate it.
Is that an idea? :)

I agree with you 110% on this fozzieb for newbs like me Encoding using MEncoder without this GUI would be a mine-field I hope vmesquita keeps up his good work with this and carries on to improve it.

Thanks vm. :)

I do have 1 question about VOBs if I was to extract it as one large VOB as stated in the beginning of this thread im worried about the FAT32 partition my hdd has not being able to support files over 4Gb. Will I be affected by this?

If so maybe its time i upgraded a partition to NTFS. :)

I never tried, but in theory, you can. :wink: :D

Thanks man, those were really great words! :D 8)

MencodeME is multiplataform and it should be possible to nativelly compile it in MacOS enviroment. Unfortunatelly I never saw a Mac in my life and I don't have access to one... And if I had I probably would take some time to understand how it works (should be like freebsd?).
Yes, I thought one thing didn't had anything to do with the other, so I splitted the templates.
No, there isn't.
Yes, a very good one. Unfortunatelly, I barelly have time to code the GUI right now, so improving the templates is impossible to me. But I would gladly integrate your improved templates. Please do so!
I know. :( The thing is, I don't think GOP should be in the GUI (because it can be automatically selected according to the target), but still haven't figured out the best way to integrate GOP setting in templates.

There's no way to select more than 1 VOB. So you need NTFS. But don't worry, if you are in WindowsXP you can upgrade easily. Just don't regret later (I don't see why you would), because you can't go from NTFS to FAT32.

EDIT:
@Inc
Try the new "Fast 704" filter combo, it only crops 16 pixels to go from 720 to 704, as you asked me. :wink:

if you don't want to change for ntfs ,
in dvddecrypter/ifo mode/options you can adjust " file spliliting " to 4Gb max size!
i'm still using fat32 and works!
:wink:

Yes, but this will produce probably 2 VOBs and you'll have to encode one at a time. It's beter than many 1 Gb VOBs but still not the best solution. :wink:

@vmesquita and jorel

Thanks for the info guys.

I am going to buy a 160Gig hard drive soon so i might just make a 20 gig NTFS filesystem for my Movie Rips and keep the main Windows partition FAT32 that way I get best of both Worlds.

Thanks also jorel for that tip I shall give that a try in the meantime. :)

New version won't encode
 

I tried the last version for coding 1cd - KVCD (AVI FC / 480x576 / 2 pass VBR / 25 fps @ 950 Kbps), but the encoder won't start: it stops on

SwScaler: BICUBIC scaler, from Planar YV12 to Planar YV12 using MMX2

Anyway, i can press Stop (this means that is NOT crashed). No errors with other Filtering Combos. Tested on both P4 & AthlonXP with same result.

So, where's the problem ?

if i right understood your idea,
means that i can use another partition with ntfs
and save a big .vob there using the 98se in c: :?:
it will work :?: 8O please, confirm!
i never had think in that possibility!
now i'm thankful too!
:D

Re: New version won't encode
 

Could you please post the complete logfile? Also, please test with a different source to see if the problem is not the source. :wink:

Hi jorel, afaik you can have a NTFS partition and FAT32 on Win XP.

I found >This< site with some info on the NTFS format I hope that can clear things up for you. :)

@ Zyphon
but i use 98se, for this reason i ask and the link (thanks) don't answer this!

can i use 98se and another partition with ntfs to save big .vobs/ .avis ?
:?

@all.....excuse my off topic! :oops:

@VM

:)
a) I think porting to other Systems should be not hasitating you/us.

b) You never saw a MAC 8O .. uops, .. then you missed something :)

c) YEP! I saw that pure 720 to 704 just cropping template, ... thats exact the way I did change in my own Templates for the GUI.

Well mostly I still using .Bat files for starting the encoding as I need it to perform batch encodings, like last night 3 animes on one DVD-R (Toystory1, Tstory2, MonsterAG) inc. 1 audiotrack 5.1 256kbit each.
My special "godchild is visiting me edition" *lol*
But for shure I do also many tests using your GUI.

I also did integrate the besweet (latest updated ac3enc support build) command parameters so I get in one .bat file all jobs done :D

Yaz did tell in the mencoder compile thread that d2v also could directly via VFAPI be supported by the codecs.conf! (if I understood that right)... cause if yes, we can really drop that makeavis and doing further filtering totally in Mencoder! As DVD2AVI outputs everything we need: d2v and the AC3's.

we should figure out this.

:D Inc.

@all ... Sorry for the off-topic also but Im just going answer my friend jorel's question.

Afaik Windows 98SE can access NTFS drives in Win XP if you share it on a network but im not sure about if you have a NTFS partition along with a FAT32 partition.

I found >This< Tool for making a NTFS drive for Win98 but I think it makes the drive read only which really is no good. :(

I did some web searching and I found >This< site which tells you have to have your NTFS formatted HDD fully accessible to Windows 98.

I hope this helps buddy. :)