KVCD for Even Better Quality?

[Tutankhamun]

Hey Kwag, how's it goin? Got a question for you on the KVCDx3 mpeg2 ntscfilm template. I am using your older template, 528x480 - cq-vbr 30, max 2500 min 300, dated around 8-27(if that gives you an idea about the template), at least that is what I dated my folder when I downloaded it. I have been using this template on the last 43 movies I ripped, play's beautiful in my standalone. My question is on movies that are 16:9, they fit no problem on two disc's (full screen's gotta cut credits) and I have room to spare, sometimes over 100mb's (on each disc). Other than raising the audio, is there anything else I can do to increase video quality even more, not that it isn't great already but like I said, I have extra room. I'd rather not lower quality and put on one disc!

Just to let you know, I do not use avisynth, just rip with smartripper, frameserve through dvd2avi and then encode away with tmpgenc 2.53 plus! Usually do an entire movie in about 3hrs 45min.

[kwag]

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Originally Posted by Tutankhamun

Just to let you know, I do not use avisynth, just rip with smartripper, frameserve through dvd2avi and then encode away with tmpgenc 2.53 plus! Usually do an entire movie in about 3hrs 45min.

Ahhh!, well you better start using AviSynth
That way you'll be encoding with the world's greatest AviSynth filters ( Blockbuster, FluxSmooth, LegalClip, etc. ) and then you're REALLY going to see a difference
You'll be able to put almost any 2 hour movie on one CD-R with a quality that's so good that you'll just forget about the 2 CD thing
Take a look at this latest 528x480 sample: http://www.kvcd.net/k-19.cq.65.5.hig...1.dither.5.mpg

WYSIWYGTG ( What you see is what you're going to get )

-kwag

[Tutankhamun]

Kwag, thanks for the quick reply but I am clueless with avisynth! I tried to use it about three weeks ago and I couldnt get it to locate that mpeg2dec.dll or whatever it is called. I directed it right to it and I dont know, I guess I am a little stupid Other than searching the site, can u point me to a guide for super newbie with avisynth?

[jorel]

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Originally Posted by Tutankhamun

Kwag, thanks for the quick reply but I am clueless with avisynth! I tried to use it about three weeks ago and I couldnt get it to locate that mpeg2dec.dll or whatever it is called. I directed it right to it and I dont know, I guess I am a little stupid Other than searching the site, can u point me to a guide for super newbie with avisynth?

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2225

[Tutankhamun]

thanks jorel, came across that! Doin some reading now! Hopefully I can figure it out

[Boulder]

Actually it's quite easy. You can use FitCD to get the basic script and then you'll just have to add the FluxSmooth, LegalClip and Blockbuster (if needed) functions manually. Or was there a FitCD version that already had the option to add the functions..I'm not sure.

[jorel]

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Originally Posted by Boulder

Actually it's quite easy. You can use FitCD to get the basic script and then you'll just have to add the FluxSmooth, LegalClip and Blockbuster (if needed) functions manually. Or was there a FitCD version that already had the option to add the functions..I'm not sure.

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2142

[Boulder]

Hehe, this way you won't even have to know anything about the scripting language

[jorel]

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Originally Posted by Boulder

Hehe, this way you won't even have to know anything about the scripting language

yes friend but believe or not...

i don't know how to use it!!
don't laugh please.....or better...laugh!

only send a link!

[Boulder]

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Originally Posted by jorel

yes friend but believe or not...

i don't know how to use it!!
don't laugh please.....or better...laugh!

only send a link!

Now that's a problem

I've not seen the proggie myself so I can't say if it's difficult to use but I remember that the old FitCD seemed very complex at first sight. Then I just got used to it although I only use it to get the aspect ratio correct and write the script manually every time.

[Tutankhamun]

Ok I managed to load d2v in fitcd and it gave me the following script

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\fluxsmooth.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\legalclip.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\sampler.dll")
Mpeg2Source("C:\Ripping\The Others\Others.d2v")
LegalClip()
BilinearResize(496,350,20,0,680,480)
FluxSmooth()
AddBorders(16,65,16,65)
LegalClip()
Sampler(length=24)
## MPEG size = ((Total frames/MovieTimeInMinutes)/24) * MPEG sample file size ##

Movie length is 151384 frames and 106 minutes long, if I do the manual file prediction with audio at 128, HeadAC3 shows 98mb so I should have 700 mb for video. Using the kvcdx3 mpeg2 ntscfilm (with gop 1-12-2-1-24). My sample should be around 16.29mb per 100(1min40sec) - read that somewhere - but at cq of 20 I am not even close, trial at 18.4mb. Anyone have any luck getting The Others on one disc. Can anyone please tell me what I might be doing wrong in that I am not able to get 105 minute movie on one disc. Please remember I am new to avisynth

[kwag]

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Originally Posted by Tutankhamun

Ok I managed to load d2v in fitcd and it gave me the following script

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\fluxsmooth.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\legalclip.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\sampler.dll")
Mpeg2Source("C:\Ripping\The Others\Others.d2v")
LegalClip()
BilinearResize(496,350,20,0,680,480)
FluxSmooth()
AddBorders(16,65,16,65)
LegalClip()
Sampler(length=24)
## MPEG size = ((Total frames/MovieTimeInMinutes)/24) * MPEG sample file size ##

Movie length is 151384 frames and 106 minutes long, if I do the manual file prediction with audio at 128, HeadAC3 shows 98mb so I should have 700 mb for video. Using the kvcdx3 mpeg2 ntscfilm (with gop 1-12-2-1-24). My sample should be around 16.29mb per 100(1min40sec) - read that somewhere - but at cq of 20 I am not even close, trial at 18.4mb. Anyone have any luck getting The Others on one disc. Can anyone please tell me what I might be doing wrong in that I am not able to get 105 minute movie on one disc. Please remember I am new to avisynth

Your sample should be 11.764705882352941176470588235294 . Round it off to 11.76MB.

151384 / 106 / 24 = 59.5 ( store that 59.5 ) then 700 / 59.5 = 11.764 and that's your sample size.

Did you use "Force FILM" when you did your .d2v with DVD2AVI

-kwag

[Tutankhamun]

Hey Kwag, thanks again for the reply! Yes I did use forcefilm in dvd2avi and yes I did a typo , my sample I figured out came to 11.29! It was late!!

So can you please tell me what I am doing wrong as I am down to 20 on the cq and trial only down to 18. I am using the kvcdx3 template.

Are there any other settings that I might be missing, I set in advanced tab custom center 528x480 same as template I am using (something I read in another post about doing this) and the correct aspect of 16:9.

[kwag]

Hi Tutankhamun,

If you're using TMPEG version 2.59, are you encoding with (ES Video only) checked
You must check that encoding mode if you are using 2.59.

-kwag

[Tutankhamun]

Once again Kwag, thanks for the quick reply! I am using 2.53 Plus, still When I do my sample I am doing video only. I have managed to get to the target trial by using the 352x480 mpeg2 template. I was trying to use the 528x480 template because I know that one plays flawlessly in my standalone. Since I hit the target with the other template, I did a 10 minute encode to see if it will play and it worked, file came to 70.1 mb. That was using tmpgenc to encode the audio as well.

Just cant figure out why the 528x480 template wont hit the mark

[Tutankhamun]

Finally!!!!!!!!

Got "The Others" on one cd with the 352x480 template with 87 as cq and audio at -oh crap I cant remember if it was 128 or 160! Had to be 128 cause I had a little room to spare. Sorry I am a little excited

Kwag, is the sample posted at the top of this thread the mpeg 1 528x480?

All day I have been tryin to hit the target sample size with US Marshal's, for two cd's I come up with target of 24.** (2 Disc's) 1600-153=1447 (160 Audio). 188787/132/24=59.59. 1447/59.59=24.28(target)

Lowest I got to was 25.6 with a drop to 18 in the cq and i can see some blocks on the computer when viewing. Damn that mpeg2 528x480 template Sorry Kwag, love the template but cant get it down on anything I try, set aspect to 4-3, 16-9 and 1-1. Did full screen, full screen keep aspect, and center custom to 528x480. Changed the gop to 1-12-2-1-24. What gives?

Can anyone please help me out?

[SansGrip]

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Originally Posted by Tutankhamun

Sorry Kwag, love the template but cant get it down on anything I try

Are you using TMPGEnc version 2.58 or 2.59?

[Tutankhamun]

How you doin SansGrip, I am using 2.53 Plus!

[Tutankhamun]

If anyone can help me with might be missing here is my script from fitcd

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\fluxsmooth.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\legalclip.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth2\plugins\sampler.dll")

Mpeg2Source("C:\Ripping\US Marshals\Marshal.d2v")
LegalClip()
BilinearResize(480,384,60,0,600,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
FluxSmooth()
AddBorders(24,48,24,4
LegalClip()

Sampler(length=24)
## MPEG size = ((Total frames/MovieTimeInMinutes)/24) * MPEG sample file size ##

When I do my first trial encode it does 2min and 11sec, not 100sec

I would like to enclose a screen shot of FitCd but dont know how I have a screencapture tool but it wont copy and past. What I have done in Fitcd is load the d2v, select 2 cd's, then I select the 3/4 dvd small 528x480 then save script.

Anyway, I hope someone can tell me what I am missing!

[kwag]

Are you encoding as "Video ONLY". On TMPEG version 2.53, it's "Video only".
I strongly suggest you download at least TMPEG 2.58.

-kwag