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kwag,
Okay, This may seem stupid, I apologize now, but this is what I've found.
I have been looking at vcdhelp.com and have read the MAIN subject on this matter and have had great success at making xVcds that play in my player(panasonic by the way). I've gone through all the procedures and WOW you can put a two hour dvd on a regular cdr. What I've finally come down to is this.
Rip the dvd.
Use DVD2AVI and save the project and name it. It takes a very short time to do this. You are left with a large wav file and a small video file.

Once you have the .dv2 file (oh and by the way make sure you have the wav file there to.), use tmpeg with kwag's settings to give you the mpeg you would use with vcdeasy. (this is for 16:9)
Anything up to 1:45 will work with a cq of 70 and will really look pretty good. Just as advertised.

However, for a month I've been burning cd's and testing, and the closests I can get is 99% of the DVD output, which I have to say is really a great accomplisment.

Here's the prob. At 1:45 and cq of 70, in out of focus frames, I still see the artifacts, (jagged edges in the background), and it takes my focus away from the movie. When I up the cq to 80 it gets better but the file size grows to 2 cd's. (this is not really a problem as they are so cheap right now).
So, either I have a player that will not smooth out the black or out of focus parts of the scene or I'm being picky.
The movies I've made are very watchable with the 2 cd treatment(close to 99% dvd, and I credit kwag for this) that I don't see the point of getting it down to 1 cd that I can't watch.

I've also found that a few dvd players will not play xVCD's and need to convert to VCD or SVCD for them.
As an addemdum, I've tried all templates and (even your latests kwag) and all play jerky in windvd and my dvd player until I select first order and then it plays perfect.

I could not get the FitCd .avs file to work properly, I don't know why, I have ALL the plugins and dll files there, but I still get jerky motion. I'll supply you on request as I know you are trying to find the best fit, but it just doesn't work for me. I know the temporal smoothing and the cutting of the (0,64,0,64) will cut down the file size(along with the gop setting will help) but I can't get it to work without jerking.

Yes, I have tried your examples, same effect. But, out of focus artifacting becomes distracting, and you only see it in still scenes at 70 cq. Once again I could NOT load the film.avs to tmpeg and and get a non jerky playback.

Here's how I do it now,
Rip the DVD.
Parse to AVI2DVD and save project to a file. (note save project)
Feed the file into TMPEG and either select 70 CQ or to split to 2 CD's up to 80 (if and only if it's > than 1:45)
Then VCDEasy to burn the CD.

What do you think?
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Hi Yoda:

First a question:

Is your system NTSC? If it is, are you using "FORCED FILM" in your DVD2AVI project?

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kwag,
Okay, This may seem stupid, I apologize now, but this is what I've found.
I have been looking at vcdhelp.com and have read the MAIN subject on this matter and have had great success at making xVcds that play in my player(panasonic by the way). I've gone through all the procedures and WOW you can put a two hour dvd on a regular cdr. What I've finally come down to is this.
Rip the dvd.
Use DVD2AVI and save the project and name it. It takes a very short time to do this. You are left with a large wav file and a small video file.

Once you have the .dv2 file (oh and by the way make sure you have the wav file there to.), use tmpeg with kwag's settings to give you the mpeg you would use with vcdeasy. (this is for 16:9)
Anything up to 1:45 will work with a cq of 70 and will really look pretty good. Just as advertised.

However, for a month I've been burning cd's and testing, and the closests I can get is 99% of the DVD output, which I have to say is really a great accomplisment.

Here's the prob. At 1:45 and cq of 70, in out of focus frames, I still see the artifacts, (jagged edges in the background), and it takes my focus away from the movie. When I up the cq to 80 it gets better but the file size grows to 2 cd's. (this is not really a problem as they are so cheap right now).
So, either I have a player that will not smooth out the black or out of focus parts of the scene or I'm being picky.
The movies I've made are very watchable with the 2 cd treatment(close to 99% dvd, and I credit kwag for this) that I don't see the point of getting it down to 1 cd that I can't watch.

I've also found that a few dvd players will not play xVCD's and need to convert to VCD or SVCD for them.
As an addemdum, I've tried all templates and (even your latests kwag) and all play jerky in windvd and my dvd player until I select first order and then it plays perfect.

I could not get the FitCd .avs file to work properly, I don't know why, I have ALL the plugins and dll files there, but I still get jerky motion. I'll supply you on request as I know you are trying to find the best fit, but it just doesn't work for me. I know the temporal smoothing and the cutting of the (0,64,0,64) will cut down the file size(along with the gop setting will help) but I can't get it to work without jerking.

Yes, I have tried your examples, same effect. But, out of focus artifacting becomes distracting, and you only see it in still scenes at 70 cq. Once again I could NOT load the film.avs to tmpeg and and get a non jerky playback.

Here's how I do it now,
Rip the DVD.
Parse to AVI2DVD and save project to a file. (note save project)
Feed the file into TMPEG and either select 70 CQ or to split to 2 CD's up to 80 (if and only if it's > than 1:45)
Then VCDEasy to burn the CD.

What do you think?
Hi Yoda !

I would like to ask you to check something and come back to me with answer !!!

IF you load vobs to DVD2AVI and press F5 (preview) what are the parameters of PAL/NTSC , fps & if there is any interlace/non-interlace parameter too .

If you will chack that for me maybe I'll be able to give you an answer !!!

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kwag,
NTSC and Forced Film is checked.
bman,
23.976 fps, Interlaced

One other thing, I have been reading that several other posters encode at x240 versus x480 and are satisfied with that. They can't be watching the movie on a 27 inch screen can they? The x240 format really saves on space but just looks to small to me.
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kwag,
NTSC and Forced Film is checked.
bman,
23.976 fps, Interlaced
Hi again Yoda !
What version of DVD2AVI are you working with ?
If it is 1.86 then take older (v1.7*) version and try again but on small part of movie .
See what hapens .

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version 1.82, I'll give that a try a little later.
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No dice, same problems. It just may be my panasonic dvd player, but I've tried it on a fairly new Apex and a Sony and no joy. kwag, I'm going to put in this forum one last time EXACTLY how I do it and if you don't find anything wrong then it has to be my computer and my dvd player.
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