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The Untouchable 07-05-2004 09:26 AM

how much longer for your backup phil?

Dialhot 07-05-2004 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Untouchable
how much longer for your backup phil?

Not really a relevant question as I encode on my office PC in idle priority but after 2h30 it is in the cell #10 on 32. That will do near 7h30 for the whole movie but can be surely faster if I encode during the night.

The Untouchable 07-05-2004 09:46 AM

oh sorry to bug u so much then, I did'nt know u were at work :oops:
BTW change dvd-rebuilder priority to high? i didn't see an option?
1 more note Rebuilder .55 is out, :D hope they worked out the having to reboot bug if u cancel during encoding (i could never use the program menu in start bar after that without reboot

Dialhot 07-05-2004 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Untouchable
BTW change dvd-rebuilder priority to high? i didn't see an option?

I set DVDRebuilder to call eclcce. In this one you can set the priority used for cce.

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1 more note Rebuilder .55 is out,
Since yesterday. Guess wich verson I'm using ? :-)
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:D hope they worked out the having to reboot bug if u cancel during encoding (i could never use the program menu in start bar after that without reboot
No problem with that but since this morning I have lost the wheel usage on my mouse and that never happened to me before :?: :!: :-(

The Untouchable 07-05-2004 10:11 AM

well hmmm i'll have to see for myself (havent tryed it yet)
But I'm going to now & hopefully it'll be faster encoding aswell
I'ma redo forrest (jus because it's a 6 award winner)
it deserves the best quality in a backup.
do u think on highest priorty i could u se the computer for internet surfing & encode at the same time?
or would that cause serious glitches in the destination movie?

jorel 07-05-2004 10:16 AM

Phil,
i download some old versions and the last new with the setup page,how to use and faqs(as i know i download "everithyng") but i never did tests with this prog and can't find answer for my first doubt...and i have 2 doubts..please,answer me:

first: it's for only one movie ? (it's unclear in faqs)

second: you posted that it's fast.... faster than CCE, but how can it be faster if you're still using CCE as encoder in DVD-RB ? :?

thanks in advance! :)

The Untouchable 07-05-2004 10:20 AM

yes it is only for 1 movie, & its faster than cce only if u use rejig,
it's still faster than cce alone because u dont need 3rd party programs to demutaplex shrik audio & remultaplex again, not to mention using menu programs.
Its 1 step movie sound & subs

ps I still dont see where i change priority?
is it in cce or rebuilder?

Dialhot 07-05-2004 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jorel
first: it's for only one movie ? (it's unclear in faqs)

The tool do the WHOLE DVD. That is movie, menu and extras. You can set a different quality for extras only in order to have the maximum quality for movie. But if your extras take half the DVD like this happens sometime, this tools can't be used according to me.
The DVD I'm doing don't have a lot of extras : only the theater teaser in 2 languages.

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second: you posted that it's fast.... faster than CCE, but how can it be faster if you're still using CCE as encoder in DVD-RB ? :?
That's also something I have to check !
Generally I encode in 0.60. Here the job is running at 0.74 in average :?
But :
- I never use idct=7 in the mpeg2source line
- I use cpu=4 in the mpeg2source line (and that slow the things)
- I generally do "mpeg2source + resize + deen/undot + DCTfilter". Here the avs generated do "mpeg2source + deen/undot + resize".
You know taht sometimes to put the filters before the resize can change a lot the speed :-).

After the job will end, I will try manually on an other DVD I already did, to change to avs script to see if that is the reason.

Note: there is also the fact that the encoding in 2pass can be faster than the one in Q mode.

Note2: remember that 0.74 is the speed for ONE pass. As I encode in two pass, that give 0.37 as overall speed ! So that is slower than Q mode in the end :!:

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Originally Posted by The Untouchable
ps I still dont see where i change priority?
is it in cce or rebuilder?

I answered to that ! It's in eclcce !

Note: NOTHING can interfer in an encoding. That is a mathematical operation and 1+1 gives always 2 whatever you are doing on your PC in the meantime. That's again a urban legend that tell you mustn't use the PC while encoding :-(
But at high priority you won't be abble to do other thing that be mad after your mouse because it won't answer a lot :-)

The Untouchable 07-05-2004 10:50 AM

looks like forrest isn't progressive after all most of the movie is clean but quite a bit little lines appear when certain movement happens,
(in the original movie)

OK I've confused myself now
Disable "interlaced" in dvd-rebuilder
does that mean the source is interlaced & to keep it that way or
does it mean to disable the interlaceness in a movie ? :( :oops:

If a movie is interlaced do i want (disable "interlaced") on or off ??

Dialhot 07-05-2004 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Untouchable
Disable "interlaced" in dvd-rebuilder
does that mean the source is interlaced & to keep it that way or
does it mean to disable the interlaceness in a movie ? :( :oops:

That means that you know that your source is progressive and want to work in progressive mode.

Without that, the avs script generated is like this :
Code:

SeparateFileds().Lanczosresize(...).Weave

The Untouchable 07-05-2004 11:12 AM

so if a movie is interlaced should it be selected or no?

Dialhot 07-05-2004 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Untouchable
so if a movie is interlaced should it be selected or no?

No !
But I guess you can also use "deinterlace with Decomb" and then (i still guess) your movie will be deinterlaced and you will encode in progressive (generally better)

In sum :
- "disable interlaced" is when you KNOW that the source is progressive and you want to FORCE the tool to encode in progressive
- "deinterlace with Decomb" is when you KNOW that the source is interlaced and you want to FORCE the tool to encode in progressive.

If you want to have it done in interlaced, you must let both options unchecked.

The Untouchable 07-05-2004 11:23 AM

thanks bro, somehow i confused myself (too long infronta the comp
i need a break lol
is there a better tool for checking besides dvd2avi?
also correct me if i'm wrong but decomb with deinterlace would need 2 or so more extra hours to encode

I guess the theory is that if source is interlaced then destination should be interlaced too

Dialhot 07-05-2004 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Untouchable
is there a better tool for checking besides dvd2avi?

You receive it in two instances when your birthed. They are called "eyes".

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also correct me if i'm wrong but decomb with deinterlace would need 2 or so more extra hours to encode
I don't knwo. But surely :-)

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I guess the theory is that if source is interlaced then destination should be interlaced too
My personnal theory is : if source is interlaced, do an other DVD :-)

Dialhot 07-05-2004 04:02 PM

WARNING
Anyone using DVDRebuild :
Try this : launch an encode, wait for CCE to be in the middle of the second pass on any segment, cancel. Select the project, (double click), go in "video" then "quantizatio matrix". And read...

8 16 19 22 ...

THAT IS THE STANDARD MPEG2 MATRIX ! And you CAN'T erase it !
This matrix is used anytime there is no other matrix in the ecl project. And as DVDRebuild does not generate an ecl including an alternate matrix, that's a "no way".

That explain A LOT why the quality was such different than in Q mode :-(

And BTW the encoding "cell by cell" is, as I told, very bad idea : some chapter are worse than the others and the quality is not constant during the whole movie.

:arrow: Finally, even if the work is not finished yet (I paused it), I can tell that this tool can by enought for a Doom9 audience, but it's definitely not a "KVCD encoder RC" :lol:

(note: once it is finished with CCE, I will do the same movie with QEnc using Trellis quantization and KVCd matrix - it is supported by QEnc !)

jorel 07-05-2004 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
And BTW the encoding "cell by cell" is, as I told, very bad idea : some chapter are worse than the others and the quality is not constant during the whole movie.

yep :!:
when i read the faqs and lots of about dvd-rb i can't stop to think about it and now i see that i was in the same "logic" as you Phil!

Dialhot 07-05-2004 06:05 PM

Finally no test is needed with QEnc. Not only the picture is AWFULL but I asked to keep french subtitle and it kept... dutch ones !

This tool is not an encoder, neither a transcoder, it's a trash-feeder !

jorel 07-05-2004 06:34 PM

picture awful, select french subtitle and get dutch ones using trash-feeder !?!?
8O oh my GOD!
i don't know what means trash-feeder but...i can imagine ! :lol:

:ideasmiley:
getting dutch subs and not the selected french with picture awful maybe is good for who can't read any language cos he can be illiterate and the language of the subs is irrelevant. it's only to choose the subs on/off in the wireless control. :rotf:

Dialhot 07-05-2004 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jorel
i don't know what means trash-feeder but...i can imagine !

That's a brand new word I invented to tell that the trash bin on my windows desktop was pleased to be feed by this tool and all files it produced :-)

jorel 07-05-2004 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
.. the trash bin on my windows desktop was pleased to be feed by this tool and all files it produced :-)

then my imagination and intuition(that don't let me test it) are cool...this is what i was thinking! :roll: :lol:

but the phrase :arrow: "the trash bin on my windows desktop was pleased" is fantastic ! :rotf: .....and is going to "the hall of fame" too!


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