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The Untouchable 07-03-2004 12:18 AM

CCE with DVD-REBUILDER does not support KVCD Notch Matrix!
 
I'm making a 1 to 1 DVD backup, (1 DVD to 1 DVD+R)
& basicly I'm using a program that lets me script but wont let me use all of KWAGS lates script. (Only have room for 5 lines i think)

undot()
asharp(1, 4)
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)

THAT'S IT THERE ... but when its done the KDVD copy is waaaay brighter than the original DVD ... Plus it slows the program down (8 hours 1 DVD)
Usually I can do it in 4 hrs.

My question is " What filter(s) can I add to this script so that the brightness is reduced by 25 %

& what can I add/delete to make this script faster in encoding time ?

Fluffbutt 07-03-2004 03:10 AM

Assuming your source dvd is good qualitym why have you got so many
smoother and blur filters there? You've basically got a dot remover, a sharpener, then 3 blur-type filters..

I've found in the past that the merge Chroma/Luma filters do mess up the contrast/brightness.

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 03:26 AM

Well what I'm doing is using the kvcd notch matrix with a program (which works with Cinema Craft Encoder) to make 1 original DVD-9 movie fit on 1 DVDR-5 (this way theres no quality loss & get get to keep all extras & menu) rather than the old way of using a trascoder like nero or dvd shrink which only lets u do movieonly backups to a 4.7 dvd+r
You just loose too much quality that way.

But my question just still remains unanswered
I need a set of filters that gets rid of jagged edges on cartoon movies
& reduces the apearance of bitrate shortage around the characters & subtitles & to also remove blockiness

The filters i chose did it all except they made the pic waay too bright & made cce take 8 hours instead of 4 like it should be.
ANY new filtering ideas?

this is what my filters are like

undot()
asharp(1, 4)
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)

Help please
My only problem with my scrip is speed & brightness otherwise the script works.
Anyway to shortin the encoding time by half & make the brightness & contrast normal??

OK OK UPDATE I took your advice & removed MergeLuma & MergeChroma now I need to get rid of these tiny thin fine lines that apear in the destination file (lines only a true videophile like me would care about
any ideas fellas ??

Abond 07-03-2004 04:30 AM

Did you tried to remove asharp?

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 04:35 AM

Yes i did that makes the pic quality much better but tiny very thin lines still appear (can notice when i zoom in just once)
I still keep getting the bitrate shortage around subtitles & character/people & some jagged edges

this is what my script looks like now

undot()
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 07:17 AM

Whats a good set of 2 or 3 filters that are a must have if my source is an original DVD?

bigggt 07-03-2004 07:47 AM

Whats the program


big secret :D

I wanted a simple script for good dvd sources and Phil and Jorel and i even see them using it on doom9 is this

Deen()
Undot()

don't know if it is what you are looking for

jorel 07-03-2004 07:51 AM

as in another thread you are asking about use or not use letterbox for your next (new) widescreen tv, i send my recomendations here for the filters and resolutions(resizes/addborders/letterbox):
don't resize the movies(dvds sources of course)...use only:

Undot()
Deen()

nothing more....you will get good compression, great quality and will never loose anything in the borders getting the original AR from the source.
but wait...maybe anyone have better hints! :wink:

:lol: bigggt was faster! :P
@ bigggt
if you search and follow the dates,i think that we was using that "kiss" filter before the friends in d9! :wink:

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 07:56 AM

Thank 4 replying quickly, I didn't quite understand what u were asking me but r u trying to tell me what 2 filters to use ?

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 07:59 AM

Hi jorel ... I'ma try those 2 filters in a 15 minute test encode,
so r u trying to say i shouldn't use the LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16) at all??

bigggt 07-03-2004 08:08 AM

I was just joking about the program :D and yes about the 2 filters i have used them and they seem to work great

@ Jorel

You know i am new to dvd2svcd so i have been trying to read alot of the post over at doom9, there is a lot of information over there and a lot to take in :D

jorel 07-03-2004 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Untouchable
Hi jorel ... I'ma try those 2 filters in a 15 minute test encode,
so r u trying to say i shouldn't use the LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16) at all??

yes.... you did questions about letterbox here, right?
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12210
then...better don't use it !

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 08:51 AM

O.M.G. I took your advice & jus finished a small 15 minute test & with your choice of 2 filters & no resize.
I've gotten the pic quality to be almost beautiful!! 8)
I'ma making a full DVD backup of "A bugs life" it's an anamated movie
the only problem i have now is i sometimes get a bitrate shortage around the little charicters (I'm getting little bugs around the bugs) LOL LOL :lol:
Is there 1 more filter i can add to remedy this problem?
other than that pic quality is wicked !!

jorel 07-03-2004 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Untouchable
Using DVD-Rebuilder 0.54 with CCE 2.67 sp

believe me, i encode bugs life using that filters without resizes and don't had problems like you posted using D2s with CCE2.50!
as i never used DVD-Rebuilder before, i think that better is change to D2S with Roba to do the job...test it first and see if you get differences.

Dialhot 07-03-2004 09:03 AM

This is mosquito noise and has nothing to do with bit shortrage. But you can at least :

1/ use the letterbox(16,16,16,16) line as, if I understood well, you do not do any resizing and these 16px boruder will be in the overscan, so it's better to put blck there than a picture.

2/ be sure that you are using the last deen (august 2003) and not the one from 2002.

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 09:05 AM

glad i caught u phil how about my overscan question about widescreen tvs & letterbox16161616 ??

Dialhot 07-03-2004 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel
as i never used DVD-Rebuilder before

I tryied but never found the way to tell it to use KVCD matrix. So I guess the untouchable uses the standard matrix and that is why he has such bad results !

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 09:18 AM

@ jorel, when u say d2s u mean dvd2svcd right? doesnt that program take like 12 to 24 hrs to do 1 movie?

jorel 07-03-2004 09:20 AM

:idea:
with CCE266 we can choose the kvcd notch matrix.
and if The Untouchable want only bugs life for 1 Kdvd media he can choose Q1 in CCE and using the ac3-5.1 channels from the source...don't need predictions for that target! :wink:

The Untouchable 07-03-2004 09:22 AM

are u refering to dvd2svcd or dvd rebuilder phil ??
I'm using kvcd notch matrix with dvd rebuilder
i patched my cce with vmequitos kvcd patch for vrs 2.67
& i think dvd rebuilder has no choice but to use the kvcd notch matrix,
am i wrong? maybe


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