Encoding VRO File to DVD-R?

Bud · #1 04-24-2002, 02:33 PM

OK so now we have this DVD compliant MPEG file settin' on our computer, we can convert it to the standard TMPGE VCD/SVCD templates or use that great and I mean Great KWAG Template, all that I can do. But the question here is how do I get this VRO file to the DVD-R? Can I use TMPGE to set it up and ready to burn to DVD-R using the DVD TMPGE templates? What software would I need to set this up to burning to DVD-R? I know I can use the stand VOB/IFo files to burn with Nero again not a problem, about the only guides I have found tell me to run all these conversion process to make the file DVD compliat, but is at least partialy done. Assistance please. Many Thanks, and Kwag it appears the site if growin' keep up the good work..

Bud

kwag · #2 04-24-2002, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud

OK so now we have this DVD compliant MPEG file settin' on our computer, we can convert it to the standard TMPGE VCD/SVCD templates or use that great and I mean Great KWAG Template, all that I can do. But the question here is how do I get this VRO file to the DVD-R? Can I use TMPGE to set it up and ready to burn to DVD-R using the DVD TMPGE templates? What software would I need to set this up to burning to DVD-R? I know I can use the stand VOB/IFo files to burn with Nero again not a problem, about the only guides I have found tell me to run all these conversion process to make the file DVD compliat, but is at least partialy done. Assistance please. Many Thanks, and Kwag it appears the site if growin' keep up the good work..

Bud

Hi Bud:

This is what you have to do, and I just tried it, to be sure that what I'm saying is correct.

Start TMPEG and go to File/MPEG Tool/Simple De-multiplex and choose your .VRO file as input file.

Change the output to be in your local ( C:, F: , etc ) drive, and hit Run.

When done, you will have 2 files. Something like C:\VR_MOVIE.m2v
and C:VR_MOVIE.ac3

The .m2v is your video and the .ac3 is the audio.

If your authoring software understands ac3 files, you're done!. ( Can't tell because I haven't tried that yet. )

If not, open TMPEG again, and in the main screen under Stream Type
select Audio Only.

Select the audio tab and open your ac3 file.
You'll see that the output file will be now something like this:
C:\VR_MOVIE.mp2

There's your MPEG-1 Layer 2 audio file to be converted.

Now you can create your DVD with the two files that you have extracted.

Please let me know you result.

kwag

Bud · #3 04-24-2002, 07:26 PM

Not sure if the software I will read, but will test tonight and post my result here, many thanks as always........I just did not see a reason to run a complete converson again because the file is already DVD compliant, but I do knwo the Ulead DVD Movie will completely run the converson if you open the file with that and try to creat the DVD.

Bud

kwag · #4 04-24-2002, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud

Not sure if the software I will read, but will test tonight and post my result here, many thanks as always........I just did not see a reason to run a complete converson again because the file is already DVD compliant, but I do knwo the Ulead DVD Movie will completely run the converson if you open the file with that and try to creat the DVD.

Bud

Hi Bud:

The .VRO file is not DVD compliant!.

The MPEG-2 recorded format is called Hybrid VBR. That's Panasonic's format in the .VRO.

If you record on a DVD-R with the DMR-E20, then it is recording a compliant DVD format, but not so in DVD-RAM.

That's why you have to de-mux.

kwag

Tachyon · #5 05-20-2002, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

The .VRO file is not DVD compliant!.

The MPEG-2 recorded format is called Hybrid VBR. That's Panasonic's format in the .VRO.

If you record on a DVD-R with the DMR-E20, then it is recording a compliant DVD format, but not so in DVD-RAM.

That's why you have to de-mux.

kwag

Are you sure, Kwag? I recorded Jacob's Ladder to DVD-RAM and simply ported the streams across, converted to MP2 audio and burned in Ulead - no problem. I've tried the disc on other players, too.

How does demuxing the VRO change things? I don't get exactly what Panasonic means by Hybrid VBR, to be honest.

ATB, Tachyon.

kwag · #6 05-20-2002, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tachyon

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

The .VRO file is not DVD compliant!.

The MPEG-2 recorded format is called Hybrid VBR. That's Panasonic's format in the .VRO.

If you record on a DVD-R with the DMR-E20, then it is recording a compliant DVD format, but not so in DVD-RAM.

That's why you have to de-mux.

kwag

Are you sure, Kwag? I recorded Jacob's Ladder to DVD-RAM and simply ported the streams across, converted to MP2 audio and burned in Ulead - no problem. I've tried the disc on other players, too.

How does demuxing the VRO change things? I don't get exactly what Panasonic means by Hybrid VBR, to be honest.

ATB, Tachyon.

Here's the explanation:

"Advanced MPEG2 Encoding Using Hybrid VBR Technology
We combined two encoding technologies, Real time VBR (Variable Bit Rate) and Visibility Modulation Technology, to provide MPEG2 recording with superb picture quality. Here's how it works: Real Time VBR adjusts the bit rate according to video signal complexity, in order to optimize the compression ratio. At the same time, Visibility Modulation Technology reduces compression for the most noticeable parts of each signal while it filters out unimportant data to raise compression in other areas. This combination helps assure incredible picture quality for your preferred DVD-RAM recording mode."

I tried to use Rempeg2 once on a .VRO and it crashed after a while.
The only way I can read correctly the .VRO files is processing with DVD2AVI and then reading the project file with TMPEG.

If you read the .VRO directly with TMPEG, it will eventually crash too.

kwag

Tachyon · #7 05-21-2002, 04:12 AM

Hi Kwag,

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Here's the explanation:

Ah, that kind of makes sense, yes. Thanks for that, you don't get anything like that in the manual

Still, me experience of burning an unaltered stream which I didn't do anything with worked. Then again, I didn't open it in either DVD2AVI or TMPEGenc, so maybe that's why.

ATB, Frank.

kwag · #8 05-21-2002, 10:41 AM

Hi Tachyon:

What program did you use to open the VRO file?

kwag

Tachyon · #9 05-27-2002, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Hi Tachyon:

What program did you use to open the VRO file?

kwag

Hi Kwag,

I copied it to HD, renamed it to VOB and demuxed to 2 streams with VOBrator, if I remember correctly. I'll be trying it again this weekend since I have a DVD-RAM full of stuff to convert and burn to DVD-R.

ATB, Tachyon.

Tachyon · #10 06-04-2002, 05:26 AM

Just to confirm what I said last time, VOBrator will open the VRO files, but you need to rename it with a VOB extension first. Click the main item at teh top of the screen (the whole VOB) and uncheck the "Include in output" box. Next, click the video stream, switch on "Include in output" and click the demux button to save the m2v file. You'll need to do it again with the audio to save the AC3 stream.

Depending on your authoring package, you may be able to go from there directly - Pinnacle Impression 2.2 Pro works with AC3 streams, most others need a WAV or MPA file

ATB, Tachyon.

raagaaman · #11 07-16-2002, 08:01 AM

Hello - I,m new to the Board and I just got a Panasonic RAM recorder. I got the older DMR-E10. I tried the steps above to seperate/Demux the VRO file but I am not getting anywhere with it. I also tried VOBrator but I there are no streams showing up after the scan is completed. Any other suggestions would be helpful.

RG

Bud · #12 07-16-2002, 11:46 AM

I use the E20, copy the VRO file to my HD, run it throuhg DVD2AVI to get the d2v and Wav files, run through FitCD for the Script file, open the AVS in TEMPGnc, use the K*** templates, depending on what you want to do with the resulting MPEG, I have used the 352x240 and 352x480 Half for DVD-R and others. All work great and play back on Pioneer DV 343, Panasonic E20, Panasonic LV55, SamSung M301.

Aloho
Bud

raagaaman · #13 07-16-2002, 08:58 PM

Bud,
Thanks for the reply. I am trying DVD2AVI. Should I be able to preview the file(F5)? Also, I do not see anything in the statistics window about file when I start the project.

RG

Bud · #14 07-16-2002, 10:22 PM

You should see that the VRo is NTSC Film, and the progress time lines, use DVD2AVI Version 1.76, many folks have bad files when using 1.77 or greater. So far I have never had a problem with 1.76, at times if I do I just re-run the project again it it will work. All this is based on what I learned from Kwag and this site, so keep trying.

Aloha
Bud

raagaaman · #15 07-22-2002, 11:27 AM

I finally got TMPENC to Demux the files. I did the Audio conversion to Mpeg. Now I have recombined the Files with TMPEnc and tried to use DVDit to create a DVD. DVDit! indicates the Bitrate is too High. I tried MYDVD/NeoDVD and it indicates the DVD will be to large to fit on a DVD-R disk. Next, reencoded the file again with Powerdirector but the quality really suffered. I guess I will have to go back and try DVD2AVI. Do you think I will get any better results?

RG