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06-26-2003, 05:57 PM
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I've been reading some posts in the archives on doom9 and I see lots of people saying what a joke xvcd and how divX blows away kvcd etc.. Some people have goog things to say but many do not.

All sorts of people discount MPEG1 as inferior and believe their precious SVCDs are unsurpassed in quality. I dunno as soon as I found this site I took a break from making SVCDs with D2S and yesterday officially uninstalled DVD2SVCD from my machine.

The quality I'm getting here is unparrelled with that of SVCD. Those macroblocks that plagued my high action scenes seem like a distant memory.

Anyway just some thoughts and a little commentary. I think I've stumbled onto something very good here and am suprised more people haven't joined in.
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Hi audi2honda,

Hey I hear you
The problem is that those people are just like heavy smokers, where: "Hard habits are hard to break"
You shine a green light on their face, and they still say it's red
But we know better than that

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audi2honda

for me is......jealous


maybe they can't see the light or worse,
...don't want to see the light!
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06-26-2003, 08:40 PM
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People often mock/dismiss/deny/etc things that they don't (or can't) understand. I'd be willing to bet that half of the kvcd "naysayers" on the other forums have never even taken the time or made an honest effort to learn how to create KVCDs properly (as we all know, it's a whole process you have to follow...it's not just a simple tmpg template!). But being that you mentioned seeing it on D9, I'd venture a guess that the kvcd-bashing was more likely ego-driven there (not just confused noobs who couldn't figure kvcd out), rather than being based on any unbiased side-by-side comparisons (not that everyone on D9 is an egomaniac or anything either...there's always good and bad apples wherever you go in life).

Anyways...both formats do have their benefits. Personally, I'd ALWAYS take the ease and comfort of being able to watch a near-dvd-quality movie (fit onto just 1 cdr, mind you!) in the comfort of my living room on a TV with my dvd player over sitting in front of a computer screen for 2 hours ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!! There's only 1 company that currently sells a divx-compatible dvd player, and for the time being, they're only sold in Europe to my knowledge (though I believe there are a few other companies working on them). Add to that the fact that divx always seems to be in a constant state of flux so any dvd player supporting it will need constant firmware upgrades every time a new-improved codec comes out. Maybe someday if divx ever stabilizes, it'd be viable. But until then....no thank you.....we KVCD "schmucks" will be relaxing in our living rooms, watching great looking KVCDs.

As Jorel said, hopefully more people will "see the light" someday. I know I'm certainly thankful I discovered kvcd.net when I did!

SVCD=2 or 3 (or even more) discs for 1 movie
DIVX=sit in front of your computer for hours or buy a tv-out card to watch
KVCD=Yeeehaaaaaaw!!!!!!!!!

-d&c
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06-27-2003, 01:38 AM
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Everytime I read something new about how great Divx is I use the newest tools and encode me up a new clip.

Then burn the clip to optical media and play it in my DVD player.

As of today it does not seem to work so good.

However... it is interesting that I have taken Divx files that look OK and encoded them with the KVCD3 and Optimal Script and they look a touch better... and play on my DVD player?

What was the main point about Divx being better again?

Maybe for those who like watching their media on their PC. My TV is bigger than my whole computer desk. My speakers taller than that. I think I will stick with using my Home Theatre for Home Theatre and my computer for encoding (and playing Americas Army).

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Weird, I have never seen dvd2svcd (the developer) mock kvcd in anyway. On the contrary, he has made some adjustments in his CQVBR calculation following Kwag's ideas (read the dvd2svcd readme file). The mocking is usually from a few select people.
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07-23-2003, 04:26 PM
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Weird, I have never seen dvd2svcd (the developer) mock kvcd in anyway.
I've never either But who said dvd2svcd did

-kwag
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Weird, I have never seen dvd2svcd (the developer) mock kvcd in anyway.
I've never either But who said dvd2svcd did

-kwag
yes,i never see the developer mock kvcd in any way too!
for me seems a great person and he knows that i used d2s to do kvcds!

Canman my friend,
if you use the search in d9 using "jorel",
you will see tons of posts where i show results
giving links about kvcd forum and guides.
sometimes my posts are the last in the thread
cos the "questions are over" !
this threads have TONS of views
many people see this posts,stay in silence
and follow the links and guides posted there.

i got pms from d9 members to send scripts,matrixes,answers...!
the numbers of views proove that :
"is better stay in silence with good results
than post something about kvcds to don't get " dangerous advices".."


really true..
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07-25-2003, 07:30 AM
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Weird, I have never seen dvd2svcd (the developer) mock kvcd in anyway.
I've never either But who said dvd2svcd did

-kwag
If you read audi2honda's first post you see that he uninstalled dvd2svcd as if dvd2svcd had anything to do with the mocking. But hey, that's just how I read his post. Why else would he uninstall dvd2svcd?
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07-25-2003, 09:27 AM
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I Never said the developer "DVD2SVCD" himself was mocking in fact he encourages KVCD templates. Just the people who make SVCDs in general are very skeptical about KVCD and knock it quite a bit.

The reason I uninstalled dvd2svcd is because I didn't use it anymore. I find KVCD much better
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07-25-2003, 09:30 AM
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I do almost all my KVCD with DVD2SVCD. It's just a front end to other sotf so you can use it for doing KVCD
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07-26-2003, 02:28 PM
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IThe reason I uninstalled dvd2svcd is because I didn't use it anymore. I find KVCD much better
But that is a contradiction in terms since DVD2SVCD can make KVCD. KVCD isn't a program afaik. So how can KVCD be better than DVD2SVCD when they ultimately produce the same result?
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07-26-2003, 03:57 PM
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Well, my 0.2 cents worth is like this..

You got a user who's ben there and done it all, and heard it all, and in the
end, gave it up, all. I mean, the arguments of who can fit the most on a
single CDR media ext. It's ben argued and argued times over. Also, thanks
in part to these arguments, that whenever someone hears about kVCD.net
news and excitements and including acheavements, the first thing they do
out of common practice (based on past times arguments on this subject)
is gangsay/dismis/deny or whatever.

Another issue w/ the disbeliefe is the fact that after viewing some of the
samples, they probably found then unworthy of their expectations. They
left out an impotant fact though, here:

1 - The processes and techniquest as well as "quality" obtained, are in flux
.....and changing every day (or so) So, what looked good to us last week,
.....and not so good them, last week, will probably look better to us, today,
.....while to those, still not so good. Because they've already got in their
.....mind that it sucks!! Which may very well be true (to them, per their
.....specification level)
2 - The main goal/objective here (based on my assumption) is to get as much
.....on a CD, but still maintain some good (if not better) quality than would
.....otherwise be possible through "previous" methods and processes. And,
.....we all know (inlcluding myself) how we all started w/ those same methods
.....basic or advanced or whatever. Most of us have all ben their. I'm
.....talking about VCD and SVCD.
3 - Because of the stuberness, they loose out on what could actually be the
.....best "key" in obtaining: more bank for buck, and more qualtiy per CD.
.....THey really are missing something here. Blind are they!! I'm happy
.....to say, I not blind. I take advantage of new ideas, even if they
.....sound crazy or far-fetched. I give them a try or two or three or .. ..
.....LOL, they gave up so easily. Wrong move.
4 - They fail to see what is truely going on w/ things here. ie, the MAS.
.....Even though some of these peoplese are doing some variation, they the
....."round circles" to insult the objective of the MAS (among other things)
.....and even though they are doing the same thing, only w/ different filtering
.....and things, LOL
5 - Jealousy.
6 - Just because a portion of those here are seeking to fit 90-120 minutes or
.....more even, on a given CDR, doesn't mean that we've failed because the
.....so called "Quality" level is not w/in "their" guidelines. Again, they
.....missed the point. ie, Those here, that do try and squeeze soo much on
.....a CDR (at the expense of quality) KNOW THAT !! The key here, is that
.....fact that we CAN squeeze that much on a CDR, and still maintain some
.....decent quality while at it, if not better. Many variables here. MANY.
7 - Those that gave up on just the samples alone, made the first and last
.....mistake. They gave up. They got it into their heads that if they got
.....the so called same level of (poor qality they judged it as such) they
.....through in the towal and made fun of our efforts.
8 - IMO, there are two goals here. a) is to push as much content onto a
.....CDR and b) maintain good quality (or as much as) W/ that in mind, the
.....next step, is knowing your advantages. Quick example, w/ the same so
.....called mocked templates/settings etc., used on say, a 120 minute movie,
.....may not look as good to those w/ insuficient satisfaction, and give up,
.....but if they tried the same (roughly speaking) on a 90 minute movie,
.....think of the possiblies if they stuck with it, and EXPERIMENTED
.....with the templates. What about if there's no action and or if what
.....etc etc. Note, this "goal" I mentioned is my opinion only.
.....I bet they all are back to doing the same old, same old and still no
.....satisfied with their efforts. We may be in this same boat, but at
.....least we changed the scenary a bit and have broader alternatives.

I could go on and on and on, but I tend to talk forever. And, the Admin
does not have the bandwidth to handle it (nor the shuvel hehe)

I don't know anymore. I just don't know. I remember when back in the
day, I started out on this venture Mar/2001 and never seen such Jealousy
and Envy and Bashing and so on and so forth w/ the various methods and
processes used to obtain best quality or best whatever! Everyone all
shared in the various methods. Today, it's a whole different ball game.

I say, if people want to continue doing what they do best, let them. We
would do better, to ignore them and move onwards.

My two cents worth.
-vhelp
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07-26-2003, 04:27 PM
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like i post about kvcd in d9 see the posts and number of views..
see that sometimes my post is the last,nobody post after
me for months...
but the number of views is encreasing! (my pms too)
who knows the reason.....?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...highlight=kvcd
1681 views

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35746
11106 views

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...highlight=kvcd
968 views

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...highlight=kvcd
922 views

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...highlight=kvcd
903 views

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...highlight=kvcd
351 views

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...highlight=kvcd
160 views

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...highlight=kvcd
1092 views

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...highlight=kvcd
2579 views (druidmeister got big results,he pm to me)

well,no need more,only use the search in d9 and will got more!

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07-26-2003, 08:28 PM
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That was not two cents, that was a worth a couple of bucks !!!!!! But well said. We all have to remember that it is diffucult to accept that other methods, or means, are equal or better than ours. In general, we all need to expand our paradigmes and learn to accept that there is more than one way to skin a cat..........but KVCD is king !!!!! :P

Totonho
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07-26-2003, 08:33 PM
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My two cents worth.
-vhelp
That was not two cents, that was a worth a couple of bucks !!!!!! But weel said. We all have to remember that it is diffucult to accept that other methods, or meas, are equal or better than ours. In general, we all need to expand our paradigmes and learn to accept that there is more than one way to skin a cat..........but KVCD is king !!!!! :P

Totonho
really true Otto!


vhelp, what two cents ?
it's "thousands".
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I was very happy to find KVCD too i remember putting a CVD on one disk and it was very bad quality with blocks everywhere and it took forever to encode too, now i can watch movies in my comfortable living room and i can fit it on one disk so i don't have to change disks and it's great quality.
I love it
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