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Hy Guys,

I've a question about the DVD Spezification like you can see in the Topic.
Say me if I'm right or wrong

352x288; MPEG-1 (also MPEG-2)?; 1,8 Mbps; 4:3 (Also 16:9?),
352x576; MPEG-2 (also MPEG-1)?; 9,8 Mbps; 4:3 (Also 16:9?),
704x576; MPEG-2 (also MPEG-1)?; 9,8 Mbps; 16:9 & 4:3,
720x576; MPEG-2 (also MPEG-1)?; 9,8 Mbps; 16:9 & 4:3,

I hope I haven't miss something. THX.
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Hy Guys,

I've a question about the DVD Spezification like you can see in the Topic.
Say me if I'm right or wrong

352x288; MPEG-1 (also MPEG-2)?; 1,8 Mbps; 4:3 (Also 16:9?),
352x576; MPEG-2 (also MPEG-1)?; 9,8 Mbps; 4:3 (Also 16:9?),
704x576; MPEG-2 (also MPEG-1)?; 9,8 Mbps; 16:9 & 4:3,
720x576; MPEG-2 (also MPEG-1)?; 9,8 Mbps; 16:9 & 4:3,

I hope I haven't miss something. THX.
MPEG-2, 525/60 (NTSC): 720x480, 704x480, 352x480, 352x240
MPEG-2, 625/50 (PAL): 720x576, 704x576, 352x576, 352x288
MPEG-1, 525/60 (NTSC): 352x240
MPEG-1, 625/50 (PAL): 352x288 not anamorphic.

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#3.4
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So I can put all encodes in 16:9 and PAL 352x288 not?
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07-29-2004, 03:51 AM
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No, there is an error (either in the copy/paste from Pro or in the DVDDemystified) : VCD res CAN'T be anamorphic, both in NTSC or PAL.
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No, there is an error (either in the copy/paste from Pro or in the DVDDemystified) : VCD res CAN'T be anamorphic, both in NTSC or PAL.
I'm sorry, was my fault.
I'm forget add test for this mpeg2 resolution, as in original test none of both was present.
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OK, thx for your answers.
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I don't know if I'm turning blind or something but I can't find any thread on recommended max. bitrate for KDVDs -> One movie/DVD, two movies/DVD etc. Also, I have forgot about the DVD compatible GOPs. Are they 15 for PAL and 18 for NTSC?
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all kvcd resolutions have worked for me with dvds, with various aspect ratios..

for eg..

320x240/288 - 4:3 mpeg 1 & 2
320x480/576 - 4:3 16:9 anamorphic mpeg 1 & 2
480x480/576 - 4:3 16:9 anamorphic mpeg 1 & 2*
528x480/576 - 4:3 16:9 anamorphic mpeg 1 & 2*
544x480/576 - 4:3 16:9 anamorphic mpeg 1 & 2*
704x480/576 - 4:3 16:9 anamorphic mpeg 1 & 2
720x480/576 - 4:3 16:9 anamorphic mpeg 1 & 2

* not dvd spec, but works

i would keep max bitrate at about 5000, average 4000, min 800.

i think u r right with the GOPs..

1 thing i got to say - dvd2svcd rules with cce and d2sroba.
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1 thing i got to say - dvd2svcd rules with cce and d2sroba.
Only if you have 40GB of free disc space to do the process unfortunally
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1 thing i got to say - dvd2svcd rules with cce and d2sroba.
I only mainly do KDVD's these days and I have to say that DIKO rules for this process especially when using CCE as the encoder.

It is the easiest program to use.
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It is the easiest program to use.
DVD-RB with last RB-OPT did by Sansgrip is so much better.

I did only one disc with it but I already start to be in love
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Hi Phil, I did look into DVD-RB but I haven't got around to testing it out yet.

I have downloaded SansGrip RB-OPT as well so I should try it.

DIKO for me still does a fine job and I usually author in DVD-Lab with pretty good quality.

@Phil

Can I do multipal DVD backup to one DVD with DVD-RB? If so then I must try this tool using CCE.
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Can I do multipal DVD backup to one DVD with DVD-RB? If so then I must try this tool using CCE.
No. DVD-RB is for REAL DVD backups, that means when you really want to backup your original to put them back in a safebox while you are reading the copy. That copies all the DVD structure, menu and extras included.
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Oh wow! That is excellent news Phil.

I currently use DVDShrink to back up my DVD's, would you recommend DVD-RB with SansGrip's RB-OPT to back up my DVD's?

In your opinion is the quality better? I would appreciate any info that could help me out on my way.

Thanks again for the info Phil.

EDIT: What does it use to make the AC3 audio? BeSweet?
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I currently use DVDShrink to back up my DVD's, would you recommend DVD-RB with SansGrip's RB-OPT to back up my DVD's?
DVDShrink when you have less than 15% to compress and no more than 30 minutes to do the work.

DVD-RB above 15% and/or several hours.



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In your opinion is the quality better? I would appreciate any info that could help me out on my way.
How an encoding made with KVCD Matrix, using CCE in OPV mode, can be a lesser quality than a transcoding done by DVDShrink ?
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Excellent if it uses the KVCD matrix then the quality will be far superior to DVDShrink.
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dont need 40 gb, i have partitioned my hd, to 38gb, n max it uses it 11gb. thats max...

40gb, r u sure ?

4 - 8 gb rip
upto 5 sample tests - 40 to 60 mb each
final encode.
audio ripped 500mb
then dont do the multiplex (.bat trick in multiplexxer settings)
import the files into dvd lab pro
compile.. (by this time u can have deleted the main ripped vobs)
another 4 gb (but minus the deleted vobs)

how do you work out 40

with diko - i experienced too much trouble.. n its not very much customizable for my liking, dvd2svcd kicks ass for beginner or advanced imho.
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dont need 40 gb, i have partitioned my hd, to 38gb, n max it uses it 11gb. thats max...

40gb, r u sure ?

4 - 8 gb rip
upto 5 sample tests - 40 to 60 mb each
final encode.
audio ripped 500mb
then dont do the multiplex (.bat trick in multiplexxer settings)
import the files into dvd lab pro
compile.. (by this time u can have deleted the main ripped vobs)
another 4 gb (but minus the deleted vobs)

how do you work out 40
Because you are doing half of the job manually (and as you say, at this point you can do a little clean up in the directory).
We are not talkign about doing things manually, do we ?

If you let the tool running all the process, you need :
6-8Gb for the source ripp
4.37 GB for the video and audio elementary streams
4.37 GB for the muxed mpeg
4.37 GB for the muxed mpeg with subtitles !
4.37 GB for the final authored disc.

That is 30GB (some line are mising there like space for ac3 files extracted form the vobs), not 40. The diff is really so important ?

Doing all manually I need half this size. With DVD-RB you need ripp+encoded+authored that is near 20. Still 10 GB less.
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That is 30GB (some line are mising there like space for ac3 files extracted form the vobs), not 40. The diff is really so important ?

Doing all manually I need half this size. With DVD-RB you need ripp+encoded+authored that is near 20. Still 10 GB less.
Ist the diff really so important ? when you can use 120Gb or more HD.
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Because you are doing half of the job manually (and as you say, at this point you can do a little clean up in the directory).
We are not talkign about doing things manually, do we ?

If you let the tool running all the process, you need :
6-8Gb for the source ripp
4.37 GB for the video and audio elementary streams
4.37 GB for the muxed mpeg
4.37 GB for the muxed mpeg with subtitles !
4.37 GB for the final authored disc.

That is 30GB (some line are mising there like space for ac3 files extracted form the vobs), not 40. The diff is really so important ?

Doing all manually I need half this size. With DVD-RB you need ripp+encoded+authored that is near 20. Still 10 GB less.
Wow that is a lot of Hard Drive space required when compared to CloneDVD or Shrink. I know the quality is better using the 'Notch' Matrix and DVD-RB but I wasn't aware it needed so much space.
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