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Lord Smurf told me to continue the conversation we were having in PM on the regular forums, so images could be attached. Long story short is that I bought a VCR from him, it just came, and the shipping process has banged it up a bit even though it was well-padded.

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The door flap (that says Super VHS ET on it) seems to have come off. Was it like that when you shipped it or did that happen during shipping? How do I get it back on?

There is tape horizontally across the front panel bonding it to the cover shell. Is it holding the VCR together or should I remove it?

It would seem the tape would get in the way if I were trying to remove the shell to perform that adjustment we talked about. Is it supposed to stay on when removing the shell and if so, how? I should also ask EXACTLY how you do this procedure so I don't screw something up.

It is good that you sent the remote as none of the front buttons work except for Eject.
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The tape was for shipping, to secure it better. You can remove.

Those tapes flaps can be a PITA. I actually had super glued a piece of plastic toothpick in there to secure it better. The tape flap has pegs on each end, and the middle hits a plastic jut. You push in the left (looking from front of unit) tab first, exert slight pressure against the jut, then set the right tab. You should be able to do it without bending the flap, though it will at first seem not to be possible. The flap is slightly shorter than the area between tabs, and is why the jut is there, so it doesn't fall out. But you jostle a VCR in transit, it can fall out. There is also a spring, and you must make sure the spring is laid against the bezel and flap, so it opens and closes. And finally, there is the a piece that fits between the transport lift, which is how it moves "by itself" on tape ingest/eject.

All of the front buttons should work. I tested that. The power button was extra stubborn on that unit, and a few others are stubborn on all units (model design flaw), but it was functional. Does the front display work? If not, it may be a simple issue of the ribbon got unplugged from the bottom on the front bezel. There's really no way to tape it.

This is why I try to pack decks tight, as you saw, and in layers of bubbles. But nothing can protect from being tossed, dropped -- like the warning stickers say NOT to do.

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11-06-2018, 04:28 AM
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I can't get the flap back in; what am I looking for? There doesn't seem to be a "hold" for these tabs. And putting the left one in first is impossible; the right tab juts out WAY more than the left. What am I supposed to do with the spring? There's a little wire at the top that sticks out; is that supposed to bend into the VCR?

Also, I have worse problems now.

The front buttons feel mushy and unresponsive. There IS a display, but none of the buttons work. You said they would work with enough coaxing, so I pushed the "Stop" button in as far as I could. Nothing happened and now it's stuck; how do I get it unstuck?

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When I unscrewed the cover to inspect it, the front area felt pretty darn loose to me. There's definitely something wrong there. What do I do?

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I still don't understand how I'm supposed to use the tool thing to adjust the tracking. There are so many pegs inside; where is the right one? My best guess is the peg with the cross shape on top by the heads, but there are two of them! Which one is the right one?

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Also, uh, a part fell out when I took the cover off. I have no idea where it goes. Is it important?

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And now the conversation continues....


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Your pic1/2/3/4/5 text doesn't line up to attachments 1/2/4/5/6.

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I thought the photos wouldn't be displaying their names. When I said things like "photo 1" I meant the first photo on the list, etc.

I'm not allowed to edit the post so.....

Pic 4 is vcrhelp5
Pics 2 & 3 are vcrhelp2 and vcrhelp4
Pic 5 is vcrhelp6

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Not to interfere, but that loose part is a snap clip which is likely one of the lugs from the front panel broken off.

In my experience, once a VCR gets enough of an impact to snap bits off, it is never going to be right. If its damaged from transit, then may be worth starting a claim against the shipping company. I have lost a couple of high end VCR's to shipping impacts and was successful both times with my claims. Plus one of the VCR's was salvageable with a new PSU.
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One more issue, related to the previous one: It turns out to manually adjust the tracking on a tape I have to hit Channel + and - simultaneously on the front panel, which doesn't currently work. If I can't get it to work, there will be a lot of tapes I can't play.
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One more issue, related to the previous one: It turns out to manually adjust the tracking on a tape I have to hit Channel + and - simultaneously on the front panel, which doesn't currently work. If I can't get it to work, there will be a lot of tapes I can't play.
If the front has been impacted then you can have a button permanently pressed in which locks the others out or a PCB may have cracked.
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If the front has been impacted then you can have a button permanently pressed in which locks the others out or a PCB may have cracked.
It's not this, because none of the buttons worked before one got stuck -- also, the machine is not in a perpetual state of Stop. Like i said earlier, all the buttons are mushy-feeling and there is no sensation that they're touching anything. It feels like a physical problem, not an electrical one.

I can say that from my end, I'm going absolutely crazy from the fear I just spent several hundred dollars on nothing. I check this thread every single hour for an answer, no exaggeration. It's the uncertainty that tortures me most of all.
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If the buttons are mushy, it means that the PCB behind has come detached and so the buttons are not reaching the tact switches. The deck is likely damaged but someone with an understanding needs to assess it. What with the switches and the tape flap, there may be other issues to resolve too.
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Words alone won't work. What I'll have to do is dismantle a VCR, take photos, and show you images of what it should look like. I don't have the exact model available for this, and I'll be using a JVC SR-V101US for disassemble/reassembly. It varies some, but not by much.

You must go slow at all times!!!

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Pic 4 is vcrhelp5
Pics 2 & 3 are vcrhelp2 and vcrhelp4
Pic 5 is vcrhelp6
So does "vcrhelp1" = pic1?

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I can't get the flap back in; what am I looking for? There doesn't seem to be a "hold" for these tabs. And putting the left one in first is impossible; the right tab juts out WAY more than the left. What am I supposed to do with the spring? There's a little wire at the top that sticks out; is that supposed to bend into the VCR?
Future reply with photos.

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The front buttons feel mushy and unresponsive.
They're always mushy. It's how these are designed. The "button" isn't actually a button. The board has a button, but the exterior thing you press is made-to-bent plastic. That's how most JVCs are, how most VCRs are period, how most electronics are. I hate my alarm clock, mushy buttons, same thing.

The unresponsive is likely has something to do with board position behind the bezel and "buttons". And will get that....

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There IS a display, but none of the buttons work.
Having a display is good. The front board is working.

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You said they would work with enough coaxing, so I pushed the "Stop" button in as far as I could. Nothing happened and now it's stuck; how do I get it unstuck?
You pushed too hard. But again, the "button" isn't a button. You got the plastic stuck somehow. While it is possible that you damaged the board, it's not likely, especially if you didn't hear a nasty cracking sounds. You must remember to be gentle with electronics at all times. Sometimes firm -- but still gentle. Never force anything. Firm isn't force.

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When I unscrewed the cover to inspect it, the front area felt pretty darn loose to me. There's definitely something wrong there. What do I do?
JVC was too reliant on plastic clips. Worse than that, often times, the clips don't seat properly. What you see in the image is unseated clips, nothing more. Over-jostling (abuse!) of the unit can easily knock these loose, sometimes even breaking them. As I've written about in some recent threads, I'm still attempting to upgrade my Mac, and seating plastic things can be a PITA. So it's not just JVC, or VCRs.

What you must do is remove the entire front panel/bezel. The panel is attached in several ways. There's a grounding screw with a wire in the upper top corner. Then the tape area has a metal plate screwed down over the plastic clips. When those are removed, there are 3 plastic clips on bottom, some on each side, and several on top. Be careful. Get a flathead screwdriver to assist. The plastic is resin-like, and breaks easier than most. Using plastic clips was bad enough, but the real design flaw by JVC was all the rigid resin-like clips. Of course, most people never notice that, are never affected, except when having to repair the unit.

In the top-down image, I see the plastic clip is the middle is crooked. It's broken. Super-glue fixed that.

USPS really did a number on that package.

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I still don't understand how I'm supposed to use the tool thing to adjust the tracking. There are so many pegs inside; where is the right one? My best guess is the peg with the cross shape on top by the heads, but there are two of them! Which one is the right one?
Do not start randomly turning things. The intention was never to leave you to your own devices, but to carefully instruct you on proper tuning for problem EP tapes. Let's table that until everything else is working properly.

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Also, uh, a part fell out when I took the cover off. I have no idea where it goes. Is it important?
It's just a clip to hold down the front panel. This is easily fixed.

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Not to interfere, but that loose part is a snap clip which is likely one of the lugs from the front panel broken off.
Correct.

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In my experience, once a VCR gets enough of an impact to snap bits off, it is never going to be right.
I don't agree at all. I'm actually surprised you think that, since you're such a wealth of information on VCR repair.

I've repaired some JVCs that look as if they had been thrown against a brick wall.

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If its damaged from transit, then may be worth starting a claim against the shipping company. I have lost a couple of high end VCR's to shipping impacts and was successful both times with my claims.
This is easy to say, but it's not always that easy. Insurance is mostly for loss or catastrophic package damage. Read the policies carefully, as they've given themselves many ways to slither out of obligations, even when caused by bonehead postal/shipping workers. When the package is still visually fine, you have an uphill battle to file a claim, and it can take months.

Repair is always preferable, especially when it's minor damage.

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Plus one of the VCR's was salvageable with a new PSU.
The problem here is that filing a claim, if you actually succeed, almost always requires you to return the defective item. Where it goes from there, nobody can say for sure. Some end up on auctions (offline or online), while others are just recycled or trashed. Every time a repairable S-VHS VCR is lost, prices go up for units that survive. Even broken units would have been good for parts, which are equally getting scarcer by the year.

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One more issue, related to the previous one: It turns out to manually adjust the tracking on a tape I have to hit Channel + and - simultaneously on the front panel, which doesn't currently work. If I can't get it to work, there will be a lot of tapes I can't play.
In addition to +/- channel, on many models, you can also hit SP/EP on the remote, and then use the up/down direction pad. I don't recall off-hand if this model complies.

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If the front has been impacted then you can have a button permanently pressed in which locks the others out or a PCB may have cracked.
With the way I pack gear, frontal impacts are not likely. I'd go so far as to claim impossible, without the front of the box being caved in. The key is firmly packing multiple layers of large bubble wrap around the unit, followed by specific peanuts that offer give. Which is what I do, what I use. Extremely abuse of the package can result in very minor movement within that wrap, which is why/how plastic tabs were broken. But the front PCBs will have been too tightly packed to allow for it. Remember, the PCBs are inside in front panel and screwed down as well. Those don't break easy.

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If the buttons are mushy, it means that the PCB behind has come detached and so the buttons are not reaching the tact switches. The deck is likely damaged but someone with an understanding needs to assess it. What with the switches and the tape flap, there may be other issues to resolve too.
Yes, the front buttons are definitely a PCB contact issue, but it's likely not an issue with the board. The issue is contact. Either a screw came out, a screw joint broken, or the panel just is not seated properly.

The tape flap is cosmetic. You can entirely leave it off, and the VCR will function perfectly.

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I can say that from my end, I'm going absolutely crazy from the fear I just spent several hundred dollars on nothing. I check this thread every single hour for an answer, no exaggeration. It's the uncertainty that tortures me most of all.
Don't you worry until I do.

And when I'm at the site, I'm giving this thread my attention before all others. But I'm having fatigue issues in recent days, so I'm slower than normal right now.

I'd like to find the USPS moron(s?) that abused your box. Some SOB made more work for us both.

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So does "vcrhelp1" = pic1?
Yes, it does.

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In addition to +/- channel, on many models, you can also hit SP/EP on the remote, and then use the up/down direction pad. I don't recall off-hand if this model complies.
I just tried it; it didn't seem to work. It's not mentioned in the manual either (which is online).
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So....it's my understanding I'm not supposed to do anything until I get the pictures at least. Do you know when that will be?
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So....it's my understanding I'm not supposed to do anything until I get the pictures at least. Do you know when that will be?
It will be today.

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It will be today.
Are you sure about that?
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Maybe today? Please?
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