Unless I did something wrong, but I think I didn't
It's plain and simple thing.
I just went to Nero, clicked on Extras/File Encoding/Add file and then selected the output file format to be "MPEG-4 Advanced Audio Coding" and selected constant bitrate of 40Kbps, Encoder quality = HIGH and GO

-kwag

Hi Karl,
I downloaded the files and heard them.
You don't need to book an appointment with your doctor
Anyway, watch out the AAC file is not 44khz
Can you check that?
Cheers

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Rui

true!

hey Kwag, do it again and do it right or you'll get an strike!

Why the hell dir Nero downsample
There's NO option to do that
I'm going to encode the AAC sample with FAAC and with PsyTel encoders.

Stay tunned ...

-kwag

Here we go:

http://www.kvcd.net/test-faac.aac
http://www.kvcd.net/test-psytel.aac

And again (same as in prevoius posts) the ogg file:
http://www.kvcd.net/test-ogg-40kbps.ogg

And the original (same as in previous posts) uncompressed WAV file:
http://www.kvcd.net/test-uncompressed.wav

I made sure the AAC files were encoded at 44.1Khz this time.

Tha FAAC is total crap at low bitrates
The PsyTel is very good, but missing WAY too many of the high frequency spectrum frequencies.

-kwag

Hi big K
Totally agree with your Psytel and FAAC remarks.
But the question will remain: how would Nero perform if there was a way of configuring it NOT to downsample...
Anyway, I don't think it would overcome Ogg quality.
Indeed Ogg is too damn close to MP3 at the present time.
I've been very quiet about this, but I am also very much interested in music compression.
I always keep my eyes in Hydrogenaudio forums too.
But Ogg compatibility is still an issue.
Let me put it this way: Ogg would stand in the MPEG-4 place as MP3 would stand in KVCD place.
Much more compatibility with KVCD than with MPEG-4 at the moment being right
So I'll stick with MP3 for now
As soon as it comes up in every "box" I can buy at (what's the name? Radioshack?), then I'll move over to Ogg.
I won't be doing the same with MPEG-4 vs KVCD, 'cause I moved on to something much better KDVD
Cheers

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Rui

sorry...i can't download that file http://www.kvcd.net/test-faac.aac
trying at 15 minutes and he don't came!

Sorry jorel
Wrong file name
Try it again

-kwag

@Rui,

Here's a list of current hardware players with vorbis support
http://www.ogghelp.com/ogg/hardware.cfm

-kwag

true? wrong file name?....ok now i got! came faster!

@ Correia
you still with mp3?
you're a liar!!!! (kiddin)
how did you test the file if was with wrong name and nobody could download it?

I did clicked to download both files but since the forum is sooo sloooow I just got the psytel encode.
And I accidentally opened the older test-aac-40kbps.mp4 thinking that it was the FAAC file.
Dear me, my desktop looks like my trashcan...
Sorry about the mistake
I'll give it a try now.
And yes, I still think MP3 is the way to go until I can find as many Ogg compatible players as MP3 players.
But I really like the "agudos" (only know the word in Portuguese) in Ogg in LBR .

@Karl
Thanks for the link
I'll check what babies I could buy me with Ogg support.
Maybe my wife would present me with a Ogg player for Christmas
Cheers all

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Rui

Oh man, the FAAC version is disgusting
My sister's-in-law cat sounds better than that.
And believe the cat DOES sound BAD
I'll stick with MP3 for now and I'll play a bit with Ogg once in a while.
At least until Ahead fixes the AAC encoding engine, right?
Then maybe we can do a match against them again.
Cheers guys

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Rui

i was kidding...you know!
i saw that you need 10 seconds to open one page in another thread.....seems good cos for me need 30 seconds to 1 minute(when open) sometimes posting answers i loose everything and have to write all again......seems local problems(in my city)!

But Jorel, Karl says the problem is with the new ISP.

@Karl
This one seems better http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware

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Rui

Yeah

oh yeah but here is slow then.......seems here!

thanks for the link!

my opinion:

test-faac: all underwater (glub,glub) ... or my file is corrupt?

test-psytel: horrible!

test-ogg-40kb : winner ! really better.

Wow kwag... I don't know what you did wrong, but all AAC that you posted are really

Here is a properly encoded AAC (from that wav) @ 40kbps: test-nero-aac-40kbps.mp4

thanks muaddib!

my impression from muaddib's sample "test-nero-aac-40kb.mp4" : horrible !

the Kwag's sample "test-ogg-40kb.ogg" : still winner !

Hi muaddib,

Look at your file, and you'll see that it's encoded at 22Khz
Same thing happened to me
And there are no high frequency details on that AAC file, compared to the Vorbis sample, which is rich in high frequency details.

Edit:

WinAmp plays it at 22Khz, but foobar2000 does identify it as 44.1Khz
Play it again jorel, it does sound good under foobar2000

-kwag