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Actually phil it's kind of my stupidity ... I used a tool called Nlite to strip xp of all the useless crap that I didn't want, (xp cd 250mb now) BUT
as a finishing touch it asked me if i wanted to rename any folders or keep as default. Well me being an idiot decided to put a comma in "User's docs & settings"
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Anyhow I'm done converting & the final size for m1v is 756mb.
Thats excellent BUT not enough space left for calculated 128kbps audio or multiplex.
Would have setting "Deep Prediction" in cqmatic have solved this problem?
also, you said Xvid codec was needed to use as a handler ...
Can Divx codec be installed instead? The reason I'm askin is because
the divx decoder has a brightness/contrast ajuster, What I wanna know is would it ajust the brightness from my d2v file aswell because after a dvd is put through dvd2avi it becomes darker.
or do u recommend not ever ajusting the darkness like in this situation?
or no?
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I don't now this particular app, but I know a lot of other "light" XP or "cleaning tools" like this. And NONE result in a well functionning system in the end !

You will face to a lot of problems. And I'd bet my right end that your problem with avisynth 2.5.6 comes from there.

It took 3 monthes to M$ to remove wmp from its system in Europe and some hope that someone that don't have access to the sources can do that so easily ?
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Would have setting "Deep Prediction" in cqmatic have solved this problem?
It can help

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also, you said Xvid codec was needed to use as a handler ...
Can Divx codec be installed instead?
Actually, if you install last Divx 6 and do not change the option in the installer, it installs a YV12 handler.
Some people here also reported that they discover that on their system, YV12 was handled by Divx and not Xvid. Honnestly I don't have any advice on that. Both can be used.

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the divx decoder has a brightness/contrast ajuster, What I wanna know is would it ajust the brightness from my d2v file aswell because after a dvd is put through dvd2avi it becomes darker.
First, this settings are available only while you play a Divx. Second if you need such a thing, you can do this with avisynth (see "Level" in the doc). Third, you problem can come from colormatrix (do a search on the forum).
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alright phil, thanks for alllllllllllllllllllll the help!!
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THATS REALY CONFUSING, I just see numbers & have no idea what they mean. is there a simpler way to do brightness? I have moviestacker lying around somewhere.
Also in dvd2 avi the 2 settings yuv or rgb I can change to 24 bit rgb to make brighter & even pc scale can be set to tv scale to make bit brighter yet.
Is this ok to do?
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Do not touch any settings !

There is no real reason to modify the levels anytime. It can happen on some rare sources, but if your problem is with all DVD you encode, then the problem is elsewhere.

I guess that your DVD are correct but the way you look at them makes you see them too dark. So explain better what you do, and what is exactly the problem. And put snapshots to see what you call too dark.

Note : are you ABSOLUTLY positive that you encode without using directshow ?
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I got the pic color to be nice & bright, I Just installed DGINDEX 1.4RC1 & the colors all look normal & bright & clean
But which is better ... DGINDEX or DGMPG?
I am not sure if direct x is being used hmmm
GSpot days this after i pressed render just now ...

DirectShow claims to be able to play the file. The following combination of filters were used:


{D:\AVS.avs} (Video Source)
{Color Space Converter} (Video Post-processor)
{Unspecified VFW codec} (Video Post-processor)
{Video Renderer} (Video Renderer)

I dunno how to post the sample pic, not like an email attachment i guess
so no rgb 24bit & no tv scale in dvd2avi?
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But which is better ... DGINDEX or DGMPG?
DMPGDec delivers several tools including DGIndex and DGDecode.dll. So I don't understand your question.
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I am not sure if direct x is being used hmmm
GSpot days this after i pressed render just now ...
Am talking about tmgenc. You don't know how to tell to tmpgenc to use directsow or not ? In the vfapi setting tab, just uncheck directshow handler and you will be SURE that tmpgenc won't use it.

[quote ]I dunno how to post the sample pic, not like an email attachment i guess[/quote]
You have to put them there and you will receive all needed instructions :
http://www.imageshack.us/
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so no rgb 24bit & no tv scale in dvd2avi?
Never.
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Hi guy, Well my final Video encode size on my 90 min dvd is 703 mb
@528x480. adding audio 128kbps 48kh + multiplex.
So ye its about the right size I guess.
I noticed that the pic quality was alot brighter & clearer with DGINDEX than DVD2AVI.

Is it possible to have a 704x480 2hr encode on 1 cd @ great quality everytime?

BTW when I was done encoding this widescreen dvd source I noticed that the top & bottom of the screen had extra black lines.
Lines that are not the original black widescreen lines but lighter ones.
About half an inch each on top & bottom.
So I have the normal widescreen black lines on top & bottom & then I have 2 lighter sort of gray-black half inch lines on top & bottom that look outta place.
When I was encoding with tmpg I changed settings from 1:1 vga to 4:3 525 line (ntsc) was I supposed to do this or not? black princes guide suggested it but it might only be for 352x240 ??
But I only see them on windvd7 not WMP9
(the pic looks sooo ugly on wmp9 but excellent on windvd7)
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Hi untouchable,
Please post your avisynth script.
There might be something wrong with it.
But be advised that this has mostly to do with the video resizing.
Are you using Gripfit_yv12 on your scrip?
Or a BicubicResize()?
Whenever you resize, and in order for the internal resizing routines to be as close to perfect as possible, the resizer does not crop the video active pixel area only.
Sometimes, actually most of them, the resizing routines keep a small amount of your original "black bands" along with the video active pixel area.
And sometimes that small amount of the original "black bands" are not 100% black, but a little bit lighter than black.
Since the resizing routines add new "black bands", and I mean pure 100% balck, you can notice the original "black bands" and the newly added "black bands".
The command that adds the new "black bands" is AddBorders().
In order to correct this you will have to use a LetterBox() along with the AddBorders.
While the Letterbox command only "paints" black (or another color if you wish) on the video, the Addborders command adds a new piece of image to the video.
That means that in order to resize you will always need the AddBorders().
But in order to paint a dark grey "black bands" left in the original picture so that they end up in 100% pure black you will need an additional Letterbox.
If you could post your scrip and some images captured with VDubMod hosted at imageshack.us it would be great.
Latter on we can elaborate a bit more on this.
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this is gonna sound wierd but they disapeared
I didn't even change any settings, went to go get coffey, came basck pressed play & no gray bars wtf lol
anyhow here's my script

## DLL Section ##
#
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\KVCD Tools\DGIndex 1.4rc1/DGDecode.dll")
#
####
## Main section and static filters ###
#
Mpeg2Source("D:\Survivng Christmas.d2v")
#
undot()
asharp(1, 4)
GripCrop(528, 480, overscan=2)
VobSub("D:\VTS_05_0")
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))
#
#

## Linear Motion Adaptive Filtering ##
#
# ( Portions from AviSynth's manual )
# This will apply variable temporalsoften
# and variable blur.
# Both filters are active at all times, and work inversely proportional to the
# activity, measured from current frame to next frame.

ScriptClip(" nf = YDifferenceToNext()" +chr(13)+ "unfilter( -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)), -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)) ).TemporalSoften( fmin( round(2/nf), 6), round(1/nf) , round(3/nf) , 1, 1) ")

#
#
#

GripBorders()
#LetterBox( Your_Values_Here ) # Depends on situation. Use MovieStacker!

#
#
## Functions ###

function fmin( int f1, int f2) {
return ( f1<f2 ) ? f1 : f2
}

#
####
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Where were those "extra" balck bands appearing?
In the TV screen?
I thought you were still watching your movie in the PC monitor.
That would explain why they disappeared: the TV set must have an automatic sensor that resizes the picture on screen.
Most modern widescreen TV sets have such sensors.
That is most usefull when you change from a 4:3 source to a 16:9 source or vice-versa.
There the TV set does a small adjustment to zoom in or out the picture.
That's why now you don't see the extra black bands.
Then your problem is solved and it didn't have anything to do with what I was trying to explain.
Even because that is more usual with AVI sources than VOB sources.
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no im still watchin it on the pc, but i didnt change any settins on the player the come & go lol when tmpg encodes is it supoosed to be set to 1:1 vga or 4:3 525 line ntsc? also anything wrong with script?
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no im still watchin it on the pc, but i didnt change any settins on the player the come & go lol
now I don't see how it is possible ...
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when tmpg encodes is it supoosed to be set to 1:1 vga or 4:3 525 line ntsc?
Depends: are you talking on the source or on the destination?
Usually you can disregard the source AR because it is already set by avisynth script.
But on the destination you need to set the proper AR usually 4:3 for (K)VCD and 16:9 for (K)DVD.
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also anything wrong with script?
Nope, at least not that I can identify.
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I am talking about the final encode & the advance tab in tmpg that says source aspect ratio. Its default is 1:1 vga with kvcdx3 templates
The pic in tmpg looks like its being squeezed from top to bottom, but when i change source aspect ration in advance tab it looks not squeezed lol

But I figured the other problem with the grey borders out ...
windvd7 has a glitch. Sometimes when I run it fixed aspect ratio checks itself other times its off. When it turns itself on is when it has those extra lil gray half inch borders on top of the normal black widescreen borders apear.
What is fixed aspect ratio & what does it mean?
Why does windvd have this ? power dvd has it too,
??
what does the true pic from tmpg look like?
meaning is it the 1 with the grey borders or without fixed aspect ratio?
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I am talking about the final encode & the advance tab in tmpg that says source aspect ratio. Its default is 1:1 vga with kvcdx3 templates
I already answered in my last post but maybe my English was not precise enough.
In the advance tab in tmpg where it says source aspect ratio you can leave whatever selection you want: avisynth script will override that option.
That's usefull IF you're not using avisynth .
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But I figured the other thing out ...
windvd7 has a glitch. Sometimes when I run it fixed aspect ratio checks itself other times its off. When it turns itself on is when it has those extra lil gray half inch borders on top of the normal black widescreen borders.
What is fixed aspect ratio & what does it mean?
Why does windvd have this ? power dvd has it too,
??
I see.
Fixed aspect ratio means exactly what it says: if you are right now using a 16:9 AR selection it will keep on using such AR no matter which movie with different AR you ask it to play.
On the other hand if it is not selected then the player will do the same that I was pointing out some posts ago.
It will try to "look" at the movie and auto-select the AR that it finds usefull for your source.
I don't use PowerDVD or WinDVD for quite some time now.
For more than 1 year I've been using MPC with very good results.
Not as fancy as the other two you mentioned but much lighter and with all the needed funtionalities like choosing which audio which subtitle, etc...
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so what u r saying is that with aspect ratio turned on in windvd, that thats the real way it encoded?
what I dont know is, is my kvcd made wrong then? should I redo it & make sure no grey borders show?
in movie stacker source is anamorphic but for destination i didnt turn it on cuz it stretches the pic out. if source in moviestacker is anamorphic should i set destination to that too?

when i put this on my script it wont run
BilinearResize(496, 350, 11, 0, 698, 480)
AddBorders(16, 65, 16, 65)

it says invalid arguments to function grip borders
whats that saying in english lol
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If destination set as anamorphic in Moviestacker it will always show you cone headed people.
Unless you set your media player's AR to 16:9.
Only then it will show you a correct picture .
But if you're going for KVCD that is actually a VCD you cannot use an anamorphic flag and expect your SAP to unsqueeze the picture as it would do in case you were encoding a KDVD that is actually a DVD.
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when i put this on my script it wont run
BilinearResize(496, 350, 11, 0, 698, 480)
AddBorders(16, 65, 16, 65)
it says invalid arguments to function grip borders
Apparently you used Moviestacker to get the crop/resize figures.
Then you copy/pasted Moviestacker's script to your own script but apparently you left some of GripFit functions in your script.
Let's see if I can still remember them because I haven't used them for a long time.
(2 minute later) I can't remember their names anymore .
Simply erase any line in your script that looks like Grip****(****).
Now your script should work again.
Let's face it The Untouchable, you need to do many forum reading before you get used to these new ideas.
I did read a lot before start posting questions and in fact it did me no harm.
I also posted questions, and some silly ones should I say, but I wasn't as much confused as you seem to be now after such a long time here with us.
You get one of your questions answered and you go test it but suddenly you find something else is not working; so you come back and ask again and you get another answer...and on, and on, and on...
This way it will take you a LOT of time before you learn something that works decently in most of your projects.
Take a suggestion: pick a guide and read it.
After reading it don't try anything yet but focus on what you just finished reading.
Read it again just in case you might have missed something.
Now, with the guide right next to you, do a lot of encoding trials with many different settings but just use the guide if you forgot something.
You'll see it's not that difficult.
Then you will still have many unanswered questions but not as much as you have now.
Just my advise, it worked with me.
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alright thanks
By the way if there was a proper guide I'd use it!!
vmequita is CCE & black prince's guide is decent but not done
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