Hi kwag and others...

ok I bought a DVD burner two weeks ago, and until now, only burned one DVD with it...
I know it sounds weird, but encoding kinda lost some fun for me, because for DVD-Rs I really can't use many of the advantages that have just come out for VCD Encoding (new GOP, different resolutions etc...).
I loose a hell of a lot of compression when I encode with the standard DVD GOP (max length 18 for NTSC or even 15 for me, PAL)...
That's why I'm wondering what steps have to be taken to fool those DVD authoring programs, in order to import Non-Compliant files...

Or are there any other tricks I could use on the KDVD Templates that would better picture quality... ( I know it's not really necessary to improve picture quality, but you know, that's what the fun's all about... )

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j3llyG0053

i'm with you Jellygoose.

one friend got a dvdr and call me to burn some films...
it's boring (my opinion).
kvcd is a miracle!
the people here is tuned and got dinamic results.
at now i only do 352x240 lbr and got exelent image.
when i take the kvcds to my friend,he.......

we see monsters inc.(1 cd) and dune(04:40 in 2cds)....
and forgot the "burner".

in burner we copy.....in kvcds,we make!!!

JellyGoose , Jorel !!!
U are so right !!!
I have some toughts for buyng DVD-r but from other hand with so big media all fun must be gone !!!
What's the point to tweack and stretch CDr80 if u can with no prob put on one DVDr 2-3 movies with best encoding quality ?
With CDR80 we are making so much fun : new GOP , Matrix , filters ( and all is with best quality )
Look at the forum : Last 2-3 we get so much action so much news and progress .
We are so lucky that DVDr isn't so popular yet
Let's get CDR-80 disk exhausted before we leave it and get DVDr's



bman

I'm with you guys
That's the beauty of this hobby. To me, it's not fun at all to just "burn" a DVD. The fun is tinkering and tampering with the standards, and bend them to the extremes. Now THAT is fun . The when some people come around with crazy ideas like "Feeding noise to the encoder" ( :wavey: SansGrip ) and they actually work better than anything I've seen, that's FUN
And remember, everything we're learning and doing here will apply in many ways to DVDs. So all the comments on other sites about "Ah well, when DVDs are cheap, nobody will be doing VCDs" are right to a point, because we all will be applying all of this to DVD(+-)R technology and "they" will be putting 2 hours while "we" will be putting 10+ hours on a single DVD(+-)R

-kwag

Heh guys - i thought for a while I had found a way of authoring a kvcdx3 to a DVD! However, the movie skips around so my player may not be compatible or I might of done something wrong.

What i did was use IfoEdit to turn my m1v & mp2 files into vobs as this article in VCDHELP.COM shows :

http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/userguides/120013.php

Use step 2's example and select the Mv1 file by selecting 'all files' from the files of type box. Do the same for the audio and select the mp2.

Then i burned the VOBS to my DVD-R using Nero as the following site shows:

http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127624.

When i put the disk in my player, the movie started and was the correct aspect ratio and sound was playing - but it was very jumpy which made me think it was interpreting the GOP wrongly. I would be interested if someone else could try the example to see whether my player just isn't compatible. Maybe with some tweaking this ifoedit program could do what we want. ~10 hours of DVD quality on one DVD!

Jim

If you use KVCDx3 MPEG-2 and use a GOP of 18, you'll be in luck
Much simpler is just to use the KDVD 720x480 template and just change the output resolution to 528x480. This way you'll be sure that all DVD parameters are set correctly. Then after you encode your .m2v, use DVDPatcher to fool resolution to 720x480. Remember to encode your audio at 48Khz. This is a MUST for DVD compliance.

-kwag

Darn it! I want to find a way of tranfering all my kvcdx3 encodes (all with 48khz audio) to DVD. It thought i had it here and that i was making a mistake! There must be a way of doing it, its just a matter of tinkering witht he right programes

Jim

it's the GOP structure jamesp... I don't think there's a way... yet

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j3llyG0053

And that's just what we do here: tinker, tinker, tinker and squeeze the crap out of MPEGs

-kwag

Exactly - i'm going to research this because there must be a way!

Jim

..just my 2 cents worth.. ..

I couldn't agree more! I remembered an argument on vcdhlp and I think i went on to try to express the same on this issue.. that you can TAKE
all the advantages of all the tingering/maximizing techniques over to the
DVDr side and have MORE video per DVDr vs. the standard 2 hours that
most are using today, but I don't think that they TRUELY understood
what was being said there.
I'm not there yet, w/ DVDr, but sooner or later, I will. And, I will take
whatever knowledge I have learned here and there, in the video enocding/size/space/quantity etc. ratio and use that knowledge to my (our)
advantange with DVDrs authoring.

I will always agree that we must maintain "standards", but we CAN push
them to the extreams, especially if they will work in most DVD players
$$ ka-ching $$ ..4 movies vs. 1 movie.. you do the math.. and STILL, in
good quality. Example, why spend $ 4 ea, on DVDr disks to put 3 movies
say, Austin Powers triligy, (that's 3 DVDr disks) and use tipicle
DVD standards on each disk, and burn 1 movie per disk, when you could
use say, one of the KVCD templates for example, and have ALL 3 on ONE
disk!! Well, you could work on it I haven't tired it, but I'll just bet
that it COULD work ( all three movies on one DVDr disk ?? )

Well, that was my opinion, and so on..
Have a good evening all.
-vhelp